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Catalunya claims a victim,

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/06/03/statement-luis-salom/202682 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/06/03/statement-luis-salom/202682)

RIP  :'(

A very sad day.

Appeared he lost the front tipping in, went straight off, and the bike got to the airfence first.

Layout to be changed to F1 setup for the rest of the event:
https://twitter.com/denkmit/status/738787503839293441/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc

RIP. A promising young rider.

I hope the change makes a genuine difference and isn't just a knee jerk reaction to a freak accident. Not much you can do to stop the freak occurrence of a bike bouncing back at the rider off the air fence, the rider hitting the bike if it gets wedged in the air fence or the bike landing on the rider. Anyone got a pic of the new corner layout? It looks like less run off even though it should be slower and we all know that what works for F1 doesn't often work well for Motos.

This was the best aerial view that I found"

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My first look at it, seemed like most of the runoff throughout the track was on the stingy side.
But looked at aerial views of a few other tracks... and they all look stingy.

Hope this helps, F1 circuit has 16 turns, MotoGP has 14, so instead of doing 12-13-14 now they'll do 12-13-14-15-16

(http://www.roadracingworld.com/RFS/2016/06/03/34c45e18-1e7c-4a24-b2ed-6b73e9e90b77.jpg?size=630)

(https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/championship/races/2016/Spain/_jcr_content/circuitMap.img.png/1462286415707.png)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7089/27412591196_870ab8056c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HLmGjG)catalunya (https://flic.kr/p/HLmGjG)

Here's a good one with speeds for an F1 car ~10 years ago, before they put the chicane in on the last part.
And another from a few years ago, with MotoGP speeds.
David Emmett's article had speed at about 170 kph.
Given that T12 and T13 are same speed, runoff at T12 seems a bit short.

(http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/spanishgrandprixbarcelona2006.jpg)

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Spoilers.


All Spanish front row of MM, JLo and Pedro.
MM has nearly half a second on them.

It looks like Honda's found something, or perhaps just MM's crew.
He's backing it into corners and mopping the floor with everyone else, it's been quite a while since he did that.

And he's fastest in 3 of the 4 sectors, and was only pipped by Pedrosa by 0.003 sec in Sector 1.

http://www.oasport.it/2016/06/motogp-gp-catalogna-2016-espargaro-li-e-morto-un-ragazzo-valentino-rossi-non-puo-pensare-che-il-mondo-sia-contro-di-lui/ (http://www.oasport.it/2016/06/motogp-gp-catalogna-2016-espargaro-li-e-morto-un-ragazzo-valentino-rossi-non-puo-pensare-che-il-mondo-sia-contro-di-lui/)

The link once it opens, offers to translate, but, Espargaro was on point, here's the link to video,  https://www.facebook.com/davide.sommacampagna/videos/874227326037041/ (https://www.facebook.com/davide.sommacampagna/videos/874227326037041/)
but, in Italian

I cant get the Englese version working. What they say?

Espargaro basically says that how can lamentino say "that everyone is against him by changing the layout of the track and that if he has not noticed that someone died and that safety is first . . . and ends up saying that if Honda wins is because they're better"  <<< summarized version

Wow. I hope VR isn't losing it again (after last year) in these circumstances, that would be very poor form.

this is lamentino's comment:

Valentino Rossi polemic: "Absurd editing the curve 9. Maybe somebody wanted to take advantage of it"

Article
Stefano Sweets
In this article

Valentino Rossi

The champion of Tavullia along with teammate Lorenzo wrangle for the Safety Commission's decision to amend not only the infamous turn 12 but also the Turn 9 after the accident of Luis Salom: "I do not understand why the curve 9 have also changed, It was enough to change only the curve 12. Maybe someone wanted to take advantage of it. "
Rossi: "Absurd change the curve 9" Use even more harsh and polemical tones Valentino Rossi , according to which those who still wanted to change the trajectory of the curve 9 has made ​​it to gain an advantage for their bikes ...
"I think Salom has had some technical problems. What happened could have happened in other parts of the track. It should be said that the curve 12 in the past had occurred that pilots were going to beat violently against the air fence at that point. Adjust that point is right but do not understand why the curve has been modified 9. Maybe somebody wanted to help their bikes ... they say that the curves have changed both to prevent the escape routes in conflict? is not it those who say the mind ...
"After what has happened, the Race Direction has changed the curve of the incident and that the stadium and we are suffering in the detached forts, where instead the Honda is more agile. My opinion is that he went only changed the curve of the incident, not even the curve 9. the track is now much slower and you have to admit that our bikes out of the slow corners makes a lot more effort. i believe that on such an occasion were to be heard all the drivers on the grid, not just the 10 who participated in the Safety Commission meeting. I did not know they planned to hold this meeting, after what happened would have to convene all 24 MotoGP riders, I who am the champion leaders expect to be consulted. Now you can not most do anything, if we do result we can dedicate the podium or victory. I think that you had to turn 12 not change yesterday, but long before, there was no gravel to stop "

Maybe VR shares my concerns that they changed too much as a knee jerk reaction to what could have been a freak accident? So he feels they should have just changed the one corner and not a series of corners?

Is VR claiming a Spanish/Honda conspiracy against Yamaha and himself? [laugh]

Dovi also very clear on the issue Rossi / Lorenzo:

"Here it comes to safety after the death of a pilot, not self-interest ... Those must be left aside now at this time"

This is a summary of Espargaro's:

Dovi and Pol Espargaro (like so many in the paddock) found completely out of the outputs Rossi and Lorenzo about the changes to the curve 9.

Valentino has even said that the change was made to facilitate the Honda Marquez (does not say it clearly, but it says "another bike").

Lorenzo said that nobody had invited him to make the decision about the 9 while Rossi knew but decided not to show up.

Pol Espargaro was very clear about:

"You go to the safety commission, you do not expect to be invited" (this refers to Lorenzo).

About Rossi's words are even more harsh:

"We can not think that the whole world is against us (we at Yamaha ed), and everybody wants to promote Marquez. I also pilot a Yamaha and also I go slower at that point, like all "

 

Wow, it has hit the fan.
Edit.

Crusty reckons they did the best they could to put in a quick fix for safety. He is on the safety commission. I guess I can take his word for it.

More good stuff from David:
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/06/05/2016_barcelona_saturday_round_up_dealing.html

I think rossi needs to get some counseling to help him deal with his paranoia.

I also think that lorenzo needs to check out that first book of Dale Carnegie's.

Rossi needs to watch he doesn't get lynched by the Spanish crowd and JLo needs to make sure he isnt seen as a traitor by his own people. Emotions can run pretty high re sport in that part of the world. While many have always seen JLo as a douche', some are seeing a side of VR they have never wanted to admit was there. Good on Smith for speaking out, spoken like a true union safety rep [thumbsup].

He's done it again. [bang]

MM rode the wheels off the Honda and had one of the best saves you'll see.

so, who did the track favour?

Must have been more individual bike set up and tyre choice. Both MM and JLo had issues.

Why do you seem surprised?  ;D
They admitted they found the correct engine tune in the morning, which helped engine output in terms of traction, more than power.

Rossi is losing it again with his comments. It will never really impact his behavior since the fanboys will continue to idolize him and after that race nothing will change any time soon.

HRC knew that their bike doesn't do very well in the heat, that's why Dani went to the medium tire, even though they knew it would not last race distance. MM just rode the crap out of the bike, saving it a few times.

Lorenzo never liked the hard option tire, it's lacking in edge grip so he can't ride the smooth line. Crashy Joe had him in his sights and torpedoed him, almost as a big FU for taking his ride. His immediate reaction looked almost like he was blaming Lorenzo for the crash.

Maverick was all over the place in that race. If he would have been patient and worked with Pedrosa, they would have caught the front 3 early and it might have been different with Dani still having some tire left to battle and Lorenzo going backwards. I think Maverick could have potentially ended in second.

Ianonne, the human torpedo.

How much would you pay to have been a fly on the wall (fluent in Italian, of course) when Iannone sauntered back into the Ducati garage and encountered Dall'Igna for the first time?

Races always seem to get a bit more fun once JLo is out of contention. But damn... Iannonne's lucky he's already signed on for another team.

Looks like it's going to be another nail biter of a championship race again... the points are def close enough now that one or two bad turns of luck could even things up some more.

RIP Luis Salom.

Any word on boy Jorge and his condition? He fell hard on his left shoulder and was walking a little funny when he got up.

Not the way I really want to see things even up but just glad he walked away from it.

Maverick was all over the course kid has some learning to do.

GOOOOO!!! Vale!!! Superb race

Well, the conversation they showed was very short and it seemed the only one talking was Dall'Igna.

I'm still not sure what it was, perhaps...

Prepara la valigia e tornare a casa, non abbiamo bisogno di voi più.
<Pack your bags and go home, we do not need you anymore.>

Sarete in sella alla gp14 fino Valencia.
<You will be riding the gp14 until Valencia>

Quando la corsa è finita, io vi porterà fuori indietro e battere fino a quando non è possibile spostare.
<When the race is over, I will take you out back and beat you until you can not move.>

Forgot about it, but it was good to see Rossi shaking hands with MM.
I never thought I'd live to see the day.

I re-watched Iannone's torpedo job several times.
I looked at the sector times, and he was catching JLo, but at a rapidly accelerating rate.
Lap 16, JLo lost 0.652 sec to Iannone, which is a lot for one lap.
I think he just didn't realize how quick he was closing on JLo, left his braking a fraction of a second too long, then squeezed a bit too hard and got it out of shape.
Let off the brake to collect it, and ran out of room.
Didn't look like it was an attempt at a pass.
In a lot of ways, similar to when Pedrosa lost it under braking and torpedoed Dovi.
But Iannone's got a recent rep for reckless riding, and he took out a championship contender.
And he's perceived to be buddy-buddy with Rossi, and took out one of Rossi's legitimate rivals.

Im sure Gigi had "fungula" in there somewhere too [laugh]

All the BS aside, Vale just rides the piss out of the bike. I was glad to see that Lorenzo wasn't getting away, happier still to see him go backwards (purely for the entertainment value in the points chase). Crazy Joe.............SMH. He has lost any benefit of the doubt for a very long time.

I really figured MM would let Vale go after he lost the front in the chicane, but he hung on and made the race interesting.

After the race I when Vale went to shake hands I simply assumed it was with Pedro, I was SHOCKED to see it was with MM. I don't necessarily need to see the two of them walking down the front straight holding hands, but it was nice to see them interact the way they did.

C'mon Assen!!

Mark

 

+11tybillion on Vale and MM shaking hands. You don't have to be best friends, but it's always great to see competitors being respectful.


http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/catalunya-motogp-2016/motogp-espargar-puts-blame-for-lorenzo-crash-on-iannone/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/catalunya-motogp-2016/motogp-espargar-puts-blame-for-lorenzo-crash-on-iannone/)

I agree with Pol. If you go back to Pedrosa/Dovi's crash you'll see that Pedrosa has a huge moment and that causes him to lose it. Iannone went into the corner super hot unnecessarily.

I saw an interview with him, and he said pretty much the same. JLo was much slower in that turn, compared to previous lap, and he realized that until it was too late.

Eventually is "fangulo", but pronounced that way (in Italian) is a southy slang for "vaffanculo" (fsck off).
But Dall'Igna is from Piemonte, and Piemontese is one of the few slangs I am not very familiar with, so can't help there  ;D

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/06/06/2016_barcelona_motogp_post_race_round_up.html

Seems that JLo was braking oddly during that turn and Iannone didnt catch onto it until it was too late. Pol was behind him and said Ianonne used the same braking point etc... the fault still placed on Iannone as he should have tried to go outside of Jlo vs inside. So not a true repeat of taking out Dovi but still a screw up.

Inane, I mean Iannone, had been steadily gaining on Lorenzo for the previous 2-3 laps...I was thinking that all he had to do was draft behind Lorenzo until the start/finish straight and then fly past him in Ducati style...someone needs to give Iannone an IQ test.

Did Lorenzo offer an explanation for why he fell so far behind? Slippery tires, again?

From the above link... https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/06/06/2016_barcelona_motogp_post_race_round_up.html


This was something which Lorenzo acknowledged after the race. "Rossi, with the same bike, didn't have so much graining," he told us. "Looks like he rides differently than me and he can save more the front tire, normally. Also, he is very good in difficult conditions, in conditions with no grip. Today he made an unbelievable race. I could not ride like him and could not change my riding style to avoid the front tire problems, in all the weekend. This is the truth."

Thank you, DP....I should have read the entire article.

Wow, JLo paying homage to Rossi...Rossi shaking hands with MM...what's in the water they're drinking?

Brothers (kids) dying will make you reflect. ;)

Yep. They all got a lesson in perspective.

The one thing I learned from the article was that the Michelin tires haven't changed much from 2007. I believe that was the last year Rossi rode them. That gives him a tremendous advantage.

Good article.

One more . . . Before the incident

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He's lucky he didn't make the beast with two backs Lorenzo up.

Lorenzo's luckier that Crazy Joe didn't make the beast with two backs him up. :P

He was going a tidy bit faster than JLo  ;D

The man is a professional motorcycle racer...

George can go faster in his sleep than any of us ever will and wasn't going slow...

no great task for a professional to not run over anything in front of him.

Yet...................... ;)

Yet he did...

which makes him less than professional in my view.

What does it say to you?

To me still tells that Crazy Joe was going 0.7s/lap faster than "in the dreams fast" JLo  ;D

I've seen it many times over the years in all forms of professional racing.

Just because it happens doesn't make it OK.

Part of racing, but you already knew that.  :-*

Evidently race direction thinks otherwise.

2 penalty points and start from the back of the grid in Assen...

but you knew that. :-*

Never said it was right, just that it happens, and of course you get penalized.

I'd rather see someone in over their head, than out of their mind like the 'Golden Boy' last year.

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Who are you referring to as the Golden Boy? These 2 had quite a few WTF moments last year.

Kopf is not a VR 46 fan.

Ah, I see. Well Assen should be interesting. I'm sure race direction will keep an eye on these 2 considering last year's last corner shenanigans. With Rossi on the better bike, but Assen being more of a Honda track, you never know what will happen as they get near to the end.

All Marquez needs to do is not touch Rossi as he tries to pass. Then Rossi will have no excuse to cut the corner. ;D

Rossi has been very successful at Assen

Holland......Rossi is virtually untouchable in wet conditions

Marquez hit Rossi twice last year, if I recall correctly

Gonna be interesting  ;D