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Black stain, looking like oil/dirt waiting for a good wash - since my and the bike's track highsider last autumn. The crack was hiding behind the stain - now black water pouring/dripping out and a real crack is visible underneath.

I assume this is a weld job waiting  :-\

Complete tear down is not, not at all, tempting at this time.

Advice?
(type of weld, bracing, add a half outer tube, chewing gum, boobies?)

This frame isn't beautiful anymore, so I don't mind painting a part of it after welding.


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I wouldn't call that a crack. It looks more like a puncture, especially with the apparent lack of deformation around the area.

I would consider that part of the frame non-critical and weld/grind to close it up with very little concern. Before that, though, I'd investigate the hole a little more and make sure rust had not set in under the paint.

Looks like a rust hole to me...like water had gotten in from above.

How will a puncture/rust hole, if that's what it is, be handled - compared to a crack?

I have rear frame plugs, but don't know if they're waterproof. Could water come from the neighbour frame members?

Boobies

Based on my inspection of mine, I would expect the neighbor tubes to share interior space.

If that is rust, would expect it also in the critical frame members that share that engine mount and I would retract my statement about welding being the solution... you have to remove all the cancer and replace frame pieces.

It might be time for a new frame.

Is it the one on the tube going up to the left, or the one  just below the weld?

It's the tube going up to the left.

I'll have to check to make sure it's not also below the weld, on the engine mount, but that's hopefully just dirt/rust remains.

Having it welded next week and listening to what the welder has to say.

Is it required to unplug battery, ECU, instruments?

Disconnect battery, and remove the ground to the ecu if it has a separate one or just unplug it if the ground is in the connector.

Ok - had it MIG welded and filled the frame with Fluid Film until I heard the long tube 360 nossle bubble in the oil (that stuff sure doesn't smell like christmas).

Don't know if the tube followed/found the correct frame member, but I assume it followed the same path as the water, so....

The frame plug never had an O-ring, so after many years and a few rainy rides I guess water had time to work well. Maybe the frame got a good hit/twist when I crashed and the weakest place was the rusted section.

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Another  >:(


The first weld has been fine - do you think I can expect the same on this?
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For a couple of years I've been seeing this hairline paint crack. It hasn't grown, but after 'filling' the frame with the Fluid Film I can see some of it seeping through. (who said it's time for a new frame?)
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Fark.  :-\

I'm thinking there's other cracks you cannot see.
The Duc frame is quite stiff.
Areas that crack become much more flexible, and thus do not carry as much load, which must then be carried elsewhere.
That increases the load on the 'elsewhere'.
A slippery slope....

It may be more cost-effective in the long run to replace with a good frame.

Yes, I slowly realize that a new frame is required in the future... It's more a question about when that is. Patching up this one is probably just a delay.

Good money after bad... :-\

 :-\ You need to be able to trust the frame.

^^ this.

This might be a promising option for you. Has a red frame with clear title.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/129-parts-accessories/603769-2006-monster-s2r-parts.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/129-parts-accessories/603769-2006-monster-s2r-parts.html)

Thanks, but I'm pretty sure US frames are no-go in Europe  :-\

Same frames, different VIN formula . . .

without possibility to register  :-\

Gotcha . . .

How about these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-DUCATI-MONSTER-696-MAIN-FRAME-CHASSIS-BREAKER-WITH-DOCS-ZDMM419AA7B10-/262446401393?hash=item3d1b064771:g:eH4AAOSwGeBXPxTj (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-DUCATI-MONSTER-696-MAIN-FRAME-CHASSIS-BREAKER-WITH-DOCS-ZDMM419AA7B10-/262446401393?hash=item3d1b064771:g:eH4AAOSwGeBXPxTj)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Telaio-Traliccio-trellis-frame-Ducati-Monster-620-i-e-02-05-PER-ESPORTAZIONE-/161835501886?hash=item25ae25c93e:g:i4UAAOSwKIpWAsGb (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Telaio-Traliccio-trellis-frame-Ducati-Monster-620-i-e-02-05-PER-ESPORTAZIONE-/161835501886?hash=item25ae25c93e:g:i4UAAOSwKIpWAsGb)

Yeah I didn't check your location. Shipping would be retarded expensive anyway. Sometimes I would see individuals on eBay selling frames with clean titles or even NOS frames. I'm not sure if having a salvage or clean title is a big deal with you. Some insurance here in the states won't let you have full coverage on a salvage/rebuilt title bike. Since somebody else already got paid out for it. Something to think about.

I'll check what can be done without legal problems - registration and insurrance.

Thanks for the links  [thumbsup]

Got a new frame  [thumbsup]

I poured rust protection into the frame, expecting it to swallow about 1.5 liters if all sections were connected. I thought they had to be to avoid welding issues between tubes...  It only took about half a liter, so I guess the numerous tube sections aren't open between them.

I'm doing it myself for some excitement and pride. Pictures, shop manual and lots of labels should help...

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That's fantastic news!

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are you going to paint it?

nows a good chance to do some work on it!

I have to do the same to my frame. The rust is getting ridiculous.

No, it's brand new  8)

Whatttt! That must of been a pretty kroner! I would of welded the old frame up!

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Kui...turn off the tapatalk sig on your phone...please.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=73379.msg1351052#msg1351052

In his defense that stupid app turns sigs back on after updates sometimes.  [bang] I always have to remember to check.

I have a solution for the problem. [evil]

whoops, didn't know about it until you notified me of it. My bad!

Looking more and more like a bike  :)

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 [popcorn]

so .... last post was 15 Ap17; how'd it turn out; assuming your riding now?

 .... spiffy shop you have there; looking out your log house, hardwood floor, living room window; my wife wouldn't let me work on my bike in the living room .... [thumbsup]

Metal in the frame; do you know exactly what it is?...was just looking up duc frame metal spec; is it 4130 cromoly? or E420M UNI 10296-1. shorthand for alloy steel, or 450 which is a factory's designation for a particularly complicated alloy ...

cheers D [Dolph]

ALS450, arguably chrome molly, but a far cry from the 4130 used on racing bicycles and some Verlicchi frames used on some special edition high performance Ducati trellis frames (think TT2 for example).  ALS has chrome molly content, but little enough to still cut and weld like mild steel.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=29563.0

right confirmed what Iv been learning, thanks. From what I've learned corme moly is 90,000 strength; 40 k stronger than the ALS 450, 50k; but somewhat more brittle; so for a road moto frame crome-moly doesn't work as well .  CM wouldn't flex and more brittle. The 450 would be a European designation (?). Cromoly is also harder to weld and would more expensive, thinner, lighter due to strength ...

That's a friends house. He and we, his 'friends', have converted one of his three living rooms into a work place/man cave. The rest of the house is occupied by old and/or grumpy hunting dogs and decorated with weapons and whisky. He's single and expects to stay single  :D

The bike is finished and runs great. Suspension better than ever, new T-drive discs, painted plastics. The harness is old and probably next on the to-do list. I now have another couple of things to fix or hide after a 350 feet slide on a wet track day - lost the front wheel when braking from 110 mph. 

I can't remember anything of what I found here while researching frame material, but I had the frame welded twice last year with good results. I believe the welder did it as if it was 'ordinary' steel...


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