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Title: 2010 Monster 696 Starter motor replacement, need help! Post by: Luy_901 on June 22, 2016, 05:49:46 AM Hi everyone.
I've found that my 2010 monster 696 starter motor is going to die... i've checked evey connection, the battery is new and shows 12.8v at the multimeter, the relay is clicking and 12,4 volts shown at starter positive lug but nothing. I've found that i can start the bike (in particular when she is cold) only by engaging 1st or 2nd gear and giving her a firm hit in reverse whitout clutch engaged, trying to spin the starter... So, the point is: my starter is a Taigene 4 brushes, non rebuildable... the original one in ducati costs 400euros plus the work to install it on the bike, is a bit expensive... I've found on ebay an okyami starter or a denso starter, the first one new for 150 euros and the second one for 180, but they say on the site that is compatible with monster 696 08 and 09... they have the same engine? i don't want to buy a starter that doesn't fit on my bike so... Please HELP! :) and thanks for the responses Title: Re: 2010 Monster 696 Starter motor replacement, need help! Post by: ducpainter on June 22, 2016, 05:54:02 AM I honestly don't know if the other starters will fit. I can't see Ducati changing the cases, so I suspect they would.
I'd just comment that there were changes in starter gear sizes along the way. Where you're changing brands make sure the starter gear is correct as to diameter and tooth count as it might not swap between brands. Title: Re: 2010 Monster 696 Starter motor replacement, need help! Post by: DarkMonster620 on June 22, 2016, 06:25:06 AM You just need to make sure that the part is a direct cross-reference to 270.4.011.4A
SM9162 - Starter Motor for Ducati Twins from electrex is a cross-reference to Ducati SM9162 replaces: 270-4.001-1A (Denso code - 428000-1070) and possibly also 270.4.001.1A (Denso code - 128000-6050) and according to their information will will not fit a 696 FITS DUCATI 4 STROKE MODELS Cagiva Elefant 900AC Monster 600 - (01-02) Monster 900 Special - (00-02) Monster 620 - (02-06) 900 Supersport - (99-03) Monster 620 Dark - (02-06) 904/907 Paso - (91-92) Monster 695 - (07-08) 916 - (94-98) Monster 696 - (07-08) 916 BiPesto - (97-98) 748 - (97-03) 916 SPS - (97-98) Monster 750 - (98-04) 996 - (98-03) Monster 750 Dark - (01-02) S2R Monster - (05-07) Monster 750 S - (02) S2R Monster Dark - (05-07) Monster 750 SS - (99-03) Sport Touring 2 (ST2) - ( 98-02) Monster 800 Dark - (03-04) Sport Touring 4 (ST4) - (00-02) Monster 800 SS - (03-04) Sport Touring 4 (ST4S) - (02) 851 Sport - (91-92) SS750 Supersport - (00-02) 888 LTD - (94) SS800 Supersport - (03-07) Monster 900 - (00-02) SS900 Supersport - (00-02) Monster 900 Chromo - (01) M-900 - (93-96) Monster 900 Dark - (01-02) MH900e - (02) Monster 900 S4 - (01-02) 996/SS Superbike - (99-01) Title: Re: 2010 Monster 696 Starter motor replacement, need help! Post by: koko64 on June 22, 2016, 06:39:38 AM Just because a relay or solenoid clicks doesn't mean it's good. Have you bridged the relay to double check? Worth doing before you spend $$.
Ultimate test is to supply power directly via remote battery to the starter, + to the cable lug and - to the starter case. I know the voltage reading was ok, but worth doing to be doubly sure, again before spending. Title: Re: 2010 Monster 696 Starter motor replacement, need help! Post by: Speeddog on June 22, 2016, 07:37:51 AM Starter motor for 696 appears to be unique to the 696, 659, and 796 models.
27040114A has been superseded by 27040116A. The Ducati starter motors are generally quite reliable. I've only seen one that was flat worn out, but likely that was from a sticking solenoid. I've seen a couple that suffered seal failures, and the engine oil migrated in and ruined the brushes. As Koko said, power applied directly to the terminal on the starter is the only way to definitively check it. Title: Re: 2010 Monster 696 Starter motor replacement, need help! Post by: Luy_901 on June 22, 2016, 08:07:23 AM Many thanks for the responses. I've checked voltage at the positive lug of the starter and it reads 12,3v... Every time i press the button so it can't be the solenoid sticking... The other thing that induced me to think that is the starter: every time i got that damn click, i give a generous hit in reverse and bam, she starts... Also i tried giving some hit with a piece of wood directly to the starter so maybe there is a fault contact in there... I will try the direct method with anoter battery but i think that i need to change the starter... I've seen a video on youtube of a 796 showing same symptoms and the guy said was a bad starter
So the okyami one doesn't fit right? |