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Title: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on June 29, 2016, 06:44:30 AM http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/ducati-set-unveil-two-new-models-world-ducati-week (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/ducati-set-unveil-two-new-models-world-ducati-week)
WDW Looms. Two "new models" areplanned. Sounds like one is something new (ish?) while the other is a 90th anniversary edition bike. I'd lay odds it's going to be the big Panigale selected for the 90th livery. Not exactly an out-on-a-limb guess there. But any thoughts on what the real new item might be? Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on June 29, 2016, 09:10:42 AM Something Enduro'ish [coffee]
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on June 29, 2016, 09:29:27 AM LAMS Panigale?
What? They'd sell tons of 'em. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on June 29, 2016, 09:36:57 AM Interesting thought - but the bigger picture seems to be pointing away from that
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/) Honda his killing the CBR600RR in the Euro market, and some of the other i4 supersports might go away in the Euro market. Triumph is dropping the 675 plant for a 765. Part of the Japanese i4 drop is that it costs them almost as much to engineer a 600 as it does the 1000. So they need to sell more 600s to make the $$$. So I wonder if the same would apply down to a low powered, LAMS criteria meeting, mini-gale Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on June 29, 2016, 10:08:02 AM Something Enduro'ish [coffee] Maybe it's a touring bike to compete with the Japanese and BMWs...? Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on June 29, 2016, 10:18:23 AM Isn't that tour bike role kinda occupied by the Multi?
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on June 29, 2016, 10:46:13 AM Isn't that tour bike role kinda occupied by the Multi? I think he was angilng toward the Winnebago class touring bike. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on June 29, 2016, 11:04:50 AM " Ducati hasn’t given any indication of what the new model will be but there’s every chance it could be something important,...." :-\
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on June 29, 2016, 12:33:47 PM Wow. The world is changing.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on June 29, 2016, 12:37:08 PM I think he was angilng toward the Winnebago class touring bike. I was thinking more along the lines of competing with the K series BMW or the Yamaha FJ series... Maybe bringing back the ST line with the new 1200 motor. Multi I think is still geared towards ADV touring rather than over the road touring. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on June 29, 2016, 12:39:59 PM Whats the market like for that class nowdays?
Maybe a Supermono :D! Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on June 29, 2016, 12:47:47 PM ST1200 would be a ripper. I liked the ST bikes.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on June 29, 2016, 12:47:53 PM Whats the market like for that class nowdays? Maybe a Supermono :D! (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8CEFDF27-5CA0-4607-928A-48372EC2C150_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8CEFDF27-5CA0-4607-928A-48372EC2C150_1.jpg.html) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on June 29, 2016, 01:05:55 PM ST1200 would be a ripper. I liked the ST bikes. ST bikes are vastly underappreciated. I've ridden every version, and they're all good. (Although, if I ever get my hands on whoever was responsible for how the bodywork goes together, it's going to get ugly. >:( ) ST899 would likely be plenty stout..... Supermono 649? That'd be epic. Enthusiasts would flip out. But even if the price were reasonable for a big single.... I'd only probably see one on the road. :-\ " Ducati hasn’t given any indication of what the new model will be but there’s every chance it could be something important,...." :-\ Man, they're really going out on a limb there. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on June 29, 2016, 01:10:45 PM ... and then there are the other old suggestions: sport scooter and a crazy StreetFighter thing.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on June 29, 2016, 01:14:03 PM I've only worked on one ST2. I'll hold him and you hit him..
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on June 29, 2016, 01:15:28 PM ST1200 would be a ripper. I liked the ST bikes. Exactly. That's something I'd like to see in the garage next to the Monster... Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on June 29, 2016, 02:02:57 PM and NOBODY MADE BETTER SPORT TOURERS AS DUCATI DID
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on June 29, 2016, 02:23:58 PM Mmmmm supermoto. But with the classic engine case as a stressed member thing... Won't be so good for the jumps.
Seeing a revival of the ST line would be cool. But now that LAMS comment makes me wonder about a smaller monster again. Though I wonder if the Scambler has taken the role of the small monster for the immediate term Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on June 29, 2016, 02:37:31 PM Something along the lines of the 390 Duke. [evil]
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on June 29, 2016, 02:38:13 PM Mmmmm supermoto. But with the classic engine case as a stressed member thing... Won't be so good for the jumps. Supermono, not Supermoto Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on June 29, 2016, 02:40:06 PM One of each would be cool. :D
Yeah bring back the 400 Monster. Or, the Monster Classic (retro), looking like the first M900, but modern air cooled motor. Hey, if Triumph can do it so can Ducati. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on June 29, 2016, 03:36:02 PM Supermono, not Supermoto It's my fantasy, keep yer mitts off Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: SpikeC on June 30, 2016, 10:31:50 AM A 4 cylinder.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on June 30, 2016, 10:36:24 AM Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on June 30, 2016, 11:20:13 AM V4 SBK they have been talking about?
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on June 30, 2016, 11:26:27 AM Well, already have the Scrambler 400, likely that covers the LAMS as far as the accountants allow.
V4 SBK? I'd be truly shocked. I've only worked on one ST2. I'll hold him and you hit him.. You won't have to hold him for long. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on July 01, 2016, 07:55:39 AM SuperSport S was presented . . .
One down, one to go Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on July 01, 2016, 08:00:38 AM SuperSport S was presented . . . One down, one to go WHAT :o Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on July 01, 2016, 08:08:29 AM Where's the info hiding?!
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on July 01, 2016, 08:19:49 AM Where's the info hiding?! got an inside man . . not home asked a dmfer to post pic in my behalf . . Monster 1200S based . . .do you use either whatsapp or hangouts? I can send the pic thru either Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on July 01, 2016, 08:21:40 AM What's keeping him [bang] Come on!!! ;D
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: danaid on July 01, 2016, 08:26:55 AM Found this!
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn165/dsamRus/13438787_10153905305224833_6129745025353241441_n_zps8r1jj8jx.jpg) (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dsamRus/media/13438787_10153905305224833_6129745025353241441_n_zps8r1jj8jx.jpg.html) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on July 01, 2016, 08:28:14 AM Shot you a PM DarkMon
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on July 01, 2016, 08:31:47 AM that is the one danaid
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on July 01, 2016, 08:48:24 AM Want more photos!
Lookin' sessy Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on July 01, 2016, 09:00:02 AM Where do the knees go.... in or over the cut out ???
It does look very nice [thumbsup] Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on July 01, 2016, 09:01:41 AM By the red frame bit?
But yeah, I want more photos to tell what's going on with the fairing - > tank thing Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on July 01, 2016, 10:49:16 AM around the red trellis . . . knees are supposed to go there
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on July 01, 2016, 10:58:31 AM Word is, that pic is shopped (?) Nothing on the live pic feed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ducatimotor/sets/72157668597469425 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ducatimotor/sets/72157668597469425) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on July 01, 2016, 11:19:50 AM Supersport back? Really? Aircooled 1100?
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on July 01, 2016, 12:43:22 PM If that pic is PhotoShopped, whoever did it is wasting their time fartin' around with Ducati 'spy' pics.
People spend real money for that quality of work. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on July 01, 2016, 12:56:46 PM Just a little strange that ordinary people gather around it, but nothing is said officially...
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Slide Panda on July 01, 2016, 01:00:23 PM Where's mah foil hat!?
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on July 01, 2016, 01:10:29 PM There's no way they unveiled a new bike out in the parking lot. Just say'n ;)
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on July 01, 2016, 01:49:55 PM That looks indoors to me.
Floor is quite shiny. And everyone has a badge hanging around their neck. Are we looking at the same picture? Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on July 01, 2016, 02:00:07 PM My bad. Yeah same pic.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on July 01, 2016, 02:04:05 PM http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2017-ducati-supersport-s-leaked-world-ducati-week/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2017-ducati-supersport-s-leaked-world-ducati-week/)
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on July 01, 2016, 02:46:43 PM "From a friend who is there: "I just saw the new Ducati Supersport S. Panigale looks, 937 motor, single side swing arm, a little more upright position. Really cool! The Engineer told they are working on a tour package." So looks like watercooled, from the same family of engines that powers most of the current lineup."
PhilB Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on July 01, 2016, 03:39:08 PM "From a friend who is there: "I just saw the new Ducati Supersport S. Panigale looks, 937 motor, single side swing arm, a little more upright position. Really cool! The Engineer told they are working on a tour package." So looks like watercooled, from the same family of engines that powers most of the current lineup." PhilB Looks like he got in eh? Nice. Wonder what the other two are... Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on July 01, 2016, 04:08:00 PM Looks like he got in eh? Nice. Wonder what the other two are... I quoted that quote from elsewhere. No clue. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: danaid on July 01, 2016, 04:24:03 PM And there's this.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/july/ducati-project-1312-supersport/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/july/ducati-project-1312-supersport/) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on July 01, 2016, 04:52:39 PM And there's this. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/july/ducati-project-1312-supersport/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/july/ducati-project-1312-supersport/) Nice, but damn there's a lot of repetition in that article! Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on July 01, 2016, 09:59:28 PM ~ $15.5k for the non-S model?
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on July 02, 2016, 12:45:31 AM ~ $15.5k for the non-S model? It's below the 959, he said. Isn't 15.5 lower than the 959? Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on July 02, 2016, 08:02:07 AM It's below the 959, he said. Isn't 15.5 lower than the 959? US MSRP: Pani 959 is 15k$. Pani 1299 starts at 19.8k$. Hyper 939 starts at 12.7k$. He gave a range of 11k£ -12.5k£, that's 14.6k$ - 16.6k$ today. and 13k - 15 Euro, so 14.5k$ - 16.7k$. If it's only $500 under a Pani 959 on the dealer floor, I think that's going to be a problem. Same sort of issue they faced with the Supersports before. I've had way more 748's and 996's in than 900SS. And 749 and 999, as I've never had a 1000SS come in. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on July 02, 2016, 08:40:26 AM I think ~anything they offer with the badge, sound and bragging rights, but less demanding, is going to sell well. The "one day I will own a Ducati" customers are middle age and don't have the courage/skills to ride a SBK well. Here they have something that looks cool, but is smooth and easy. I think they could price it over the 959 - which is what they will actually do by offering S and touring packages.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on July 02, 2016, 08:46:37 AM Sound logic!
More info here, from a witness: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2017-ducati-supersport-details/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2017-ducati-supersport-details/) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: Speeddog on July 02, 2016, 12:58:51 PM Big Pani with BNG:
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-1299-panigale-anniversario/#more-115079 (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-1299-panigale-anniversario/#more-115079) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on July 02, 2016, 01:09:58 PM [evil]
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: stopintime on September 29, 2016, 10:11:10 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5--KqaeRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5--KqaeRY)
[Dolph] Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on September 29, 2016, 10:28:24 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5--KqaeRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5--KqaeRY) [Dolph] tease! Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on September 29, 2016, 04:03:28 PM It will probably have milder cams/timing smaller ports/valves and a real flywheel/substantial crank to make it nice to ride on the street. I hear some say the Panis and 1198s are harsh street bikes until you go for it. I met a guy on a D16 who said it was a nicer street bike than his 1198! I have not ridden either so I took his word for it.
If the air cooled big bores are finished (and sadly they seem to be), I would have preferred a liquid cooled long stroke 1300-1400 desmodue per the Motus grunt philosophy. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: ducpainter on September 29, 2016, 04:09:30 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5--KqaeRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5--KqaeRY) I can't wait for the new 'Scrambler by Ducati'... [roll] ;D[Dolph] Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on September 29, 2016, 05:03:38 PM Young hipster ;). I think my kids would like it. You probably get a pair of cool ripped jeans with the bike ;D
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on September 30, 2016, 07:22:43 AM This is what I have NEW for 2017, at the time being
MTS (https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5792/29731187480_503f0e957a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7dG) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7dG), new colour scheme SuperSport (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5453/29731187850_295d53acc4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7k5) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7k5) Monster (https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8556/29991094116_2583a753d8_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MGdcpA) (https://flic.kr/p/MGdcpA), new colour scheme Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: 1.21GW on September 30, 2016, 07:49:53 AM Monster: [puke]
Whence hath ye gone, my love? It's like Ducati hired an Austrian science fiction novelist to design the new monsters. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: silas on October 03, 2016, 01:23:28 PM + a MultiStrada 939 is coming too...& a Scrambled scrambler This is what I have NEW for 2017, at the time being MTS (https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5792/29731187480_503f0e957a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7dG) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7dG), new colour scheme SuperSport (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5453/29731187850_295d53acc4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7k5) (https://flic.kr/p/Mif7k5) Monster (https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8556/29991094116_2583a753d8_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MGdcpA) (https://flic.kr/p/MGdcpA), new colour scheme Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: ducatiz on October 10, 2016, 06:23:29 PM Monster: [puke] Whence hath ye gone, my love? It's like Ducati hired an Austrian science fiction novelist to design the new monsters. yup. The new "Supersport" has nothing at all in common with the history of the bike. it's a last-gen SBK with a few down-tuned tweaks and a fugly exhaust. Quick, name all the SS bikes that had a single-side exhaust. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on October 16, 2016, 10:43:48 AM Ducati do the Monster Mash as 821 is dropped in favour of 939 and 803 versions
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2016/august/ducati-monster-mash (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2016/august/ducati-monster-mash) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on October 17, 2016, 10:34:55 AM Ducati do the Monster Mash as 821 is dropped in favour of 939 and 803 versions https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2016/august/ducati-monster-mash (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2016/august/ducati-monster-mash) Well that's.....interesting.... Although I don't understand the need to have two "Monsters" that are so drastically different. But I guess they did the same thing with the 620 and S*R series... Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: ducatiz on October 17, 2016, 10:42:31 AM Well that's.....interesting.... Although I don't understand the need to have two "Monsters" that are so drastically different. But I guess they did the same thing with the 620 and S*R series... You mean like an S4r Testastretta vs a 620? or any 4v vs 2v bike? That's not so unusual for them. Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on October 17, 2016, 02:23:11 PM Good to see the 800 hanging around.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: DarkMonster620 on October 19, 2016, 10:30:06 AM This is in Spanish, the translate works well
http://www.ducatinoticias.es/noticia-ducati/ducati-project-1408-la-quinta-esencia-de-ducati-panigale-fibra-de-carbono/ (http://www.ducatinoticias.es/noticia-ducati/ducati-project-1408-la-quinta-esencia-de-ducati-panigale-fibra-de-carbono/) edit: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-1299-superleggera-carbon-fiber-frame-teaser/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-1299-superleggera-carbon-fiber-frame-teaser/) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: koko64 on October 19, 2016, 10:42:22 AM Wow, carbon overdose [drool]. 213 hp (cv). Imagine the torque.
Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: kopfjäger on October 19, 2016, 05:09:16 PM I gotta hear that exhaust. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8A124EF9-7539-430E-9E24-124FE94F597B.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8A124EF9-7539-430E-9E24-124FE94F597B.jpg.html) Title: Re: 2 new models - World Ducati Week comes Post by: NAKID on October 20, 2016, 10:10:15 AM That's a big ass radiator!
And damn, pretty ugly without the skins... |