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The weather will be a determining factor this weekend.

Lorenzo in 16th after FP2. He crashed in FP1.

5 Ducs in the top 10...ooops...make that 6.

Free Practice 1

Wet & lots of crashes ----- session cut short

1   29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   293.0   1'23.702   
2   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   286.1   1'24.116   0.414 / 0.414
3   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   OCTO Pramac Yakhnich   Ducati   288.3   1'24.157   0.455 / 0.041
4   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   288.4   1'24.279   0.577 / 0.122
5   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   291.4   1'24.352   0.650 / 0.073
6   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   287.0   1'24.487   0.785 / 0.135
7   25   Maverick VIÑALES   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   285.5   1'24.592   0.890 / 0.105
8   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   LCR Honda   Honda   266.4   1'25.141   1.439 / 0.549
9   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   283.2   1'25.224   1.522 / 0.083
10   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Pull & Bear Aspar Ducati Team   Ducati   285.1   1'25.282   1.580 / 0.058
11   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   276.7   1'25.313   1.611 / 0.031
12   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   280.5   1'25.353   1.651 / 0.040
13   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Avintia Racing   Ducati   282.7   1'25.384   1.682 / 0.031
14   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   274.8   1'25.388   1.686 / 0.004
15   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   285.0   1'25.418   1.716 / 0.030
16   43   Jack MILLER   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS   Honda   280.7   1'26.369   2.667 / 0.951
17   38   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   282.2   1'26.623   2.921 / 0.254
18   50   Eugene LAVERTY   IRL   Pull & Bear Aspar Ducati Team   Ducati   282.7   1'26.822   3.120 / 0.199
19   53   Tito RABAT   SPA   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS   Honda   279.9   1'27.168   3.466 / 0.346
20   45   Scott REDDING   GBR   OCTO Pramac Yakhnich   Ducati   277.7   1'27.521   3.819 / 0.353
   76   Loris BAZ   FRA   Avintia Racing   Ducati   259.5   1'29.786   6.084 / 2.265

Sorry Nate ------ We were practically posting at the same time.   ;D  [Dolph]

No worries...I'll merge them and see what the software says about the thread title. [thumbsup]

for some weird reason, Ducatis are doing well in the wet . . .

And at the go kart track.

Vinales on fire ( figuratively ) in FP2.

Rossi, Pedrosa, & Lorenzo 14th, 15th, and 16th.
If FP3 is wet, one of those 3 are a guaranteed unhappy bunny as only two can get out of Q1.

Weather forecast is good for tomorrow, so not likely.

Jlo appears to be mind-make the beast with two backsed.
Tumble at T11 and apparently the Yamahas are just not working as of yet, none cracked the top 10.....

And this is why everyone at Yamaha were so worried about the results in Assen. I think they are aware that they need to keep it close since the Hondas tend to get their act together towards the end of the year.

FP3

1.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   21.552s   [Lap 20/23] 290km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   21.659s   +0.107s [22/24]   297km/h
3.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   21.820s   +0.268s [21/21]   291km/h
4.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   21.880s   +0.328s [25/25]   290km/h
5.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   21.910s   +0.358s [22/23]   290km/h
6.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   21.950s   +0.398s   [20/22] 293km/h
7.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   22.064s   +0.512s [19/21]   289km/h
8.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   22.069s +0.517s   [20/22]   290km/h
9.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   22.072s   +0.520s [18/20]   295km/h
10.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m 22.127s   +0.575s   [21/22]   288km/h
11.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   22.190s   +0.638s   [18/21] 290km/h
12.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   22.226s +0.674s   [21/24]   289km/h
13.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   22.308s   +0.756s [21/21]   287km/h
14.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   22.326s   +0.774s [22/24]   290km/h
15.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   22.453s +0.901s   [17/21]   290km/h
16.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   22.656s   +1.104s [21/23]   289km/h
17.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   22.763s +1.211s   [18/20]   289km/h
18.   Stefan Bradl   GER   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   22.987s   +1.435s [22/22]   290km/h
19.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)*   1m   23.453s   +1.901s [23/27]   284km/h
20.   Loris Baz   FRA   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   24.060s   +2.508s [17/18]   284km/h
21.   Eugene Laverty   IRL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   24.096s +2.544s   [17/19]   288km/h

The wheels have not just fallen off Lorenzo's wagon.
His wagon has exploded and burned to the ground, and the remains carried off by wild dogs.

When was the last time he's crashed three times before the race even started?

Oh, and current weather forecast is 59% chance of rain at start time.

He's just waiting to see the final 'line' in Vegas.

Qualifying 2:
1.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   21.160s   [Lap 8/8]
2.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   21.572s   +0.412s   [8/8]
3.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   21.666s   +0.506s   [4/9]
4.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   21.666s   +0.506s   [7/8]
5.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   21.738s   +0.578s   [6/7]
6.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   21.784s   +0.624s   [9/9]
7.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   21.858s   +0.698s   [9/9]
8.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   21.883s   +0.723s   [9/9]
9.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   21.890s   +0.730s   [7/7]
10.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   21.892s   +0.732s   [9/10]
11.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   22.088s   +0.928s   [3/5]
12.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   22.346s   +1.186s   [6/8]

Qualifying 1:   
13.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   21.783s   289km/h
14.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   21.994s   290km/h
15.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   22.236s   290km/h
16.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   22.382s   286km/h
17.   Stefan Bradl   GER   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   22.493s   287km/h
18.   Eugene Laverty   IRL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   22.567s   289km/h
19.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   22.670s   290km/h
20.   Loris Baz   FRA   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   22.860s   285km/h
21.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)*   1m   23.075s   281km/h

1. MM
2. Yogi (Hanna I mean Hector Barbera)
3. VR
4. Monkey

WUP-It's nasty as of now.I lost count of the Moto2 crashes in their practice.

Bradl just had a hard hit. Ouch

MM  :o That shit hurt


1.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   33.883s   [Lap 12/12]   251km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   33.936s   +0.053s   [12/12]   260km/h
3.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   34.263s   +0.380s   [10/10]   268km/h
4.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   34.404s   +0.521s   [12/12]   263km/h
5.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   34.410s   +0.527s   [12/12]   264km/h
6.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   34.445s   +0.562s   [10/10]   257km/h
7.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   34.652s   +0.769s   [12/12]   267km/h
8.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   34.653s   +0.770s   [9/10]   274km/h
9.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   35.075s   +1.192s   [10/11]   261km/h
10.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   35.090s   +1.207s   [8/12]   259km/h
11.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   35.123s   +1.240s   [12/12]   264km/h
12.   Loris Baz   FRA   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   35.237s   +1.354s   [12/13]   260km/h
13.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   35.308s   +1.425s   [12/12]   253km/h
14.   Eugene Laverty   IRL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   35.506s   +1.623s   [11/12]   247km/h
15.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   35.575s   +1.692s   [11/11]   265km/h
16.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)*   1m   35.962s   +2.079s   [10/11]   255km/h
17.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   36.556s   +2.673s   [9/9]   257km/h
18.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   36.800s   +2.917s   [6/7]   252km/h
19.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   37.451s   +3.568s   [9/9]   252km/h
20.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   37.794s   +3.911s   [9/12]   253km/h
21.   Stefan Bradl   GER   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   39.767s   +5.884s   [2/2]   237km/h

Pretty 'Slick' move by MM's Team.  [clap]

Cal made some 'buffalo girls' moves.

Glad to see the 'golden boy' follow pit board instructions.  :D

I don't understand the Yammaha pit strategy at all. Sure enough VR stayed out too long, that is on him. But HE doesn't know what is going on around the track. All the riders can do is what they think is the best and the should take the advice of the pit crew. But after VR chose to stay out how in the hell could the team not have changed his bike to full slicks!? Surely they would have seen the lap times MM was laying down. By VR staying out they must have know when MM was doing. At that point they are no longer fighting for the win, but give your guy the best opportunity for the best possible finish, and wearing intermediate rain tires was not the best choice.

Is it maybe that to go to full slicks requires more bike adjustments than they had time for?

What a great race from start to finish, they should all be so fun!

Mark

Nice to see Jackass take 7th.

Easy making all these decisions from the couch. ;D

Maybe they should have written 'BOX' in Italian.  :-*

I had enough trouble seeing anything at 200-250kmh, so these guys do well to read a pit board at all. Add mist, the red mist, a bike in front, etc. They do well I reckon.

MM read his just fine. Goldie starred at his pitboard hard when they first put it up. I ain't buying that shit. Jack said he ignored his, saying to himself 'what do they know'  :D

Dood...when you're chasing the other two guys in a race where you have no make the beast with two backsing clue what's going on behind you wrt to who's doing what...

it's really easy to say woulda coulda shoulda...the guys he was chasing made different tire choices, finished higher, and also all stayed out too long.

Marquez and his team obviously spent some time considering the options for the flag to flag. They chose slicks.

The simple fact that Rossi's bike was fitted with intermediates speaks volumes.

When are they...besides Honda....gonna figure out that the inter's aren't much help?

I think you just have an issue with the old guy. :-*

Easy for you to say from the couch.  ;)

All of this leads back to my question; after seeing the tims MM was laying down using the slicks why would VR's crew not change his second bike to slicks?

I'm not asking "Why didn't those dumb asses change the bike" because I don't think they are stupid, I am asking WHY it didn't happen. Is there more to it than changing the wheels, tires brakes and tweaking the suspension a bit?

I know a "wet" bike has steel, not carbon discs, what about the pads, are they different too?

Mark

Pads are different for the carbon discs.
AFAIK, they keep the pads and rotors as a 'mated' set once they've been used.
So, to swap from a wet setup to a dry setup is swapping a front wheel, it's calipers with pads, rear wheel, and suspension settings.
I'm sure there's ECU settings as well, dunno whether that's through rider buttons or a quick load from a lappy.
Plus, they've got to start the bike and have it all ready to go every lap in case the rider decides to come in.

In an ideal world, I suspect also some geometry, IE shock linkage, fork height, possibly even swingarm pivot position, as well as springs and clickers.

MM's crew is pretty f'n sharp, they made what turned out to be the right calls.
They've screwed up too, like at PI with the mandatory pit stop.
I remember when MM first did the direct vault from one bike to the other, everyone else crapped their pants.

All that said, Rossi stayed out too long, and the pack around him was following his lead.
So they all got more or less hosed the same.

Not knowing how Rossi and his team define the words on his pit board, it's a bit hard to figure out where it went wrong.
The 'BOX' on the board may just mean 'We're ready for you to come in'.
If that's the case, then they need something else to communicate to him 'We're ready, and you need to come in NOW or you're make the beast with two backsed'.
The rider has the absolute best assessment of conditions throughout the track.
But the crew has all the laptime info and a good read on who's doing what with pitstops and tire selection.
The rider has to delegate some of the strategy decisions to the crew, or they're going to get hammered on the average versus teams that do.

I guess maybe VR's crew reached a critical point of no return once he didn't come in. Maybe there is enough time  to get the bike set up for slicks if you can convey to the rider "Don't come in for 3 more laps (or whatever) while we change the bike". As bad as it was sending him out in intermediate tires it would have been far worse having him stand in the pit box while the changes were being made.

Mark

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/232205/1/valentino-rossi-i-lost-a-good-opportunity.html (http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/232205/1/valentino-rossi-i-lost-a-good-opportunity.html)

After the Flag #9

https://youtu.be/7RKjuUdkXls

"Yeah, I'm not a girl"  [clap]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/07/17/crutchlow-i-don-t-think-many-others-had-the-balls/205880 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/07/17/crutchlow-i-don-t-think-many-others-had-the-balls/205880)

I think they will look into putting some kind of communication system on the pitboard after this. 2nd time that this has happened and it should be something easy to set up.

Like if the pitboard read, "BOX/MM-5/SLICK" as the code for "pit you bastard, that little shit you hate is 5 secs a lap faster than you on slicks, dear god please understand this"

And like the last race... a smart/lucky MM is scary as hell for the other riders. Just needs to finish 2nd in the all the remaining races to cap off the championship right?

I believe MM has a 49 point lead and there are 9 races left. If this statement is accurate... 9*20 (20 points for 2nd place) + 49 (points in the lead) = 229. 9*25 = 225, so yes, 2nd place will clinch the championship.

MM can finish second to Lorenzo for the rest of the season and win the championship; the job gets easier if Jorge doesn't win every single race in the last half of the season. Lorenzo finished strong last year, but even in top form I don't see that happening, much less the funk he's gotten into over the past several races.