Ducati Monster Forum

So winter is around the corner ...so I decided after 5 years to take the leap and decided that I have accumulated all the skillset and confidence  that I need to rebuild my bike..( I've taken alot of infos from tou guy's over the years) ..   I work in a Bank and have a degre in law......   no formal education in bike mecanics..... and before owning my bike  never actually change a spark plug on my car.

 ...  so lets begin ...some pics please

In the begining
 Not that bad but the paint on the frame is miserable ! [bang]
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(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20160821_084749_zpskbjrgkjo.jpg)

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The cutting has begin ..... I've cut the to passeger bars at the back of the frame and fot rid of uneded stuff on the frame
.....  the frame looks better this way ...  :D

(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20160923_180615_zpspfd7a6af.jpg)

And after a little bit of grinding ... (seriouslly I dont like that tool ...my husban gave me a few tips and tricks but he insisted that I do it myself......gald he did... [thumbsup] ,



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I also started to clean up the motor ...  [bow_down] [popcorn]

(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20160921_094844_zpsnsy1oddf.jpg)
Stay tune for more

 [thumbsup]

That looks like a great winter project!

Mark

Very nice . . .

I'm in  [popcorn]

And congratulations to you both! 👰🎩 [clap]

Top looking project.  Good luck!

What did you start to strip the engine down with?

Yorkie

In folling order

Brown scotchbrigt.... on most of the motor

 but the covers are getting a spacial treatement..
Wet sandpaper

220 , 800, 1200, 2000 grit

And some  aluminum polish (mother's)

And alot of patience.... [bang]

And a looooong  bath after..... to clean myself..... [roll]

I've started  to dismantle the original loom that I and in a box somewhere....   I got my motogadget loom alredy but I wana see how mutch I can "lean out " the OEM one  addding my little touch of engernering into it .......and compare it to the motogadget one....

I ' m haking it away.... ;D

(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20160926_092954_zpsveb9sqqm.jpg)

This should be a ton of fun.   [beer]

Tank's .... :)

I've modefied , cut and slpice some wires in the control switch.....    now the passing switch (hi-beam) has ben converted to acces the menu/ control on the motogadget gauge...  [bow_down] ;D

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Thoses little details   ;D

Trying to keep track of everting ... [bang]  [laugh]
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Good idea that.  And a great re-fresh.

I made one out of a carbon fibre sheet to mount my electrics on:

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a615/Yorkie13/Ducati%20Monster/IMG_2998_zps4by7rshb.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/Yorkie13/media/Ducati%20Monster/IMG_2998_zps4by7rshb.jpg.html)

And luckily it worked when fitting the Ducati ST2 electrics:

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All I did was weld some more supporting tabs on to the inside of the frame, you can just see them here:

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Yorkie

 [popcorn]

@Yookie ...  [popcorn]  nice work  [thumbsup] I was watching that tread  [popcorn]

I like the idea of welding tabs into the inside of the frame . My husband as a welding kit at home .... I ask him if he wants to do it ....I'll trade a week of landry/dishe's ...for the service  [bang]  [laugh]

The contrast of the suspension arm remaining the original color and the frame and the swingharm loop red is a nice detail.

I decided that I would  not use most of the wiring that was in the OEM loom...  big portions of it is burn from the inside .... the wires overheat due to improper gauges...   to small ...   AWG 20 or something like that .
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So I've put some  18 AWG for most of the loom and some 16 AWG for ignition, headligth and hi beam.......
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20161002_133753_zpsvuohxaom.jpg)


It's starting to look like a real loom .... still more work to do ... [popcorn] ;D

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 [popcorn] How's it going?

I didn't have a lot of time to work on the bike the last 2 weeks but here it is ....
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I'm starting to think about powdercoating  the weels and the frame.
I was wandering what preperation do I have to do before taking it to the pewercoater man.....

Weels ? Do I take out the berings and everiting? Do I sand the weels or make any special preperarion ?

The frame : do I sandblast it or sand it ? Or leave it as it is?

Remove the bearings and cush drive rubbers. All the parts need to be bare metal for coating. Let the powder coater do it.

My second question is what color I soult paint the bike ???

Option 1 :  Paul smart theme
 Seagreen frame and black wheels.   I would peal off the paint from the gas tank and give it a brush aluminium finish whit a coat of clear Whit a ducati classic decals on the sides ....

Or

Option 2 : black wheels and frame and keep the tank red whit the checkerd flag on it ....altougth the tank is all scrath up from a fall last year.... maybe not as original as the other option .....

Tanks for the tip  [thumbsup]

Only you can know what you want the bike to look like. Doesn't matter what I like.

I guess your wrigth .... I'll go whit the Paul Smart theme ... ;D

You'll probably damage all the parts that come out of the wheels. Plan on ordering new ones, or an option is to have the frame powder coated, and the wheels painted.

Progressing...progressing.....

I've almots finish the OEM slim down loom
It as 8 parallel cicuits.

Only 2 circuits to do
Brake tail ligh /sensors
And the start/kill switch cicuit

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Once all  the wires will be sleeved it will look a lot cleaner than the original
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From the pic, have you modified the carbs ?

Not for the last 2 years but here a photo of what I did .... I dont remembre what the size of the jets are ... but on the left his my version and on the rigth it's shows the stock setup....

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There's acualy 2 main jet  a big one and a smaller one ......   the torque is great whit that modification.  The flow of the gas is more direct

Thanks. That gives me a bit to think about.

From what I remember the  usual place for the main jet is block whit the bolt that use to be on top. I was using a small size jet 134   ...I think where the "starter jet " was . Then I've put a size 142 main jet unsted of the bolt on top ....  

A ducati mecanic told me some day that "special setup" of mine is exacly what the engeners at Honda when they where call to solve some carburator  issues whit the Cagiva that won the dakar rally in the 90'.  [coffee]
 ;D.... altougth I dont take credit for it ...   curriously my Husband who is a ex AMA    ( Xcross) racer came whit the setup....

When he saw the OEM setup for first time a few years ago he was stund...... " that thing make no sense and looks like sh**t engeniring "
 He complain that the 45 degre angle from the main jet is limithing gas flow so he put a second main jet on top.....


The result is a better effeciency from 1/4 to 3/4 .... is nigth and day.



 
racing mecanical intuition ....  [thumbsup]... yepp

Thanks heaps. I will play with some carbs to explore this in addition to  mods to the slide and bellmouth.
I read that Honda helped Cagiva to beat Yamaha with those special carbs. Yes, I agree the main jet straight in line with the needle jet/emulsion tube is better. :)
Cheers.

I will have to understand the interaction between the new main jet and the oem choke set up. It appears to be adding an intermediate jet or a power jet depending on your perspective. A smaller intermediate jet can give cleaner mid range and upper mid range running allowing the new main jet to handle WOT and the very top end. Very cool. This is very interesting. I really appreciate you sharing this, so thank you Mr and Mrs 100. [thumbsup]

Very interested in hearing more on the BDST-38 carb mods.  Getting cold here soon, lots of Ducati stuff to do.
Sterling

"There's acualy 2 main jet  a big one and a smaller one ......   the torque is great whit that modification.  The flow of the gas is more direct."

Very interesting, thx f sharing! [thumbsup]

I'm gonna give this a go. Have ordered jets. Now just gotta find an M900/750 without FCRs. [laugh]

The starter jet is actually a type of Mikuni main jet, why cant we use that type of jet in a larger size as the bigger main jet? I ordered the type in the pic as it has the correct thread, etc, but I was just curious. Is it because its OD is about the same as the dome bolt?

There's alot of aspects of this mood that I dont remember.   A Thing that I remember is that I used what I  add around... I know that at least one jet came from  a Yamaha R-6...... (size 134 ...I think)  wich was the same kind of jets..

I would have to open it up and see what exacly in it . This mood was done actually 3 years ago.

The needles and the needle jets where change also.... I  know that I have  4 or 5 kits of needles but I dont remember what in it.  But just from logic it would be around a  medium tapper needle

Thanks. I'll let you know how I go. [thumbsup]

I'm at the step of getting the bering out of the rims .....  usually  I push the internal tube that is place betwin the bering and move it from side to side a place a big srewdriver  to slam it whit a hammer to take out the bering but they  dont want to move.....   it seams this "usual" technique dosent work.... (maybe it jusst me ...but..)  

Did somebody use that technique ? Do I have to try harder ? .... or do I take them out by completely destroing them ?

Warm up the wheel.

I add that idea but after a little bit of reserch it seam it would alter  the integrety of the wheel so I didin't tried this idea .   

Sometimes there's a small slot cut in the end of the spacer that will allow you to get a tiny bit of the inner race with a punch.

Give both ends a real close look.

Tanks I saw those's after I've post my message ....  now I'm just trying to find someting that would fit   I dont have a punch.... I'll check tomorow at canadian tire (yepp I'm in canada)

You can safely heat aluminum to 350-400F, actually much higher, without affecting the structure.

You'll have a hard time achieving too high a temp with a heat gun due to the fact that the rest of the wheel will dissipate the heat.

Hello

Where are you in the work on the bike?

You do not hand over the MOTOGADGET M-unit?

I 've put the project on old for a few month's now...  whit the new house and home renovation it took a tool on my budget.  I work on it from time to time .  But for the moment I want to be dept free  ;D
I've manage to pay around 8000$ of dept (credit card+  the car) since jully...  [bow_down]

I'm not taking any stupid credit card for the rest of my life !



The bike is still in peace's although I've started to reasemble the motor(finish)  whit the swingarm. All the electrical is done I just to have to put it on the bike.

Tanks

Indeed a house it takes time and a lot of money...... [beer]

I was asking for the M-unit Motogadget as I begin installing mine on my motorcycle.

I saw on one of your previous post that you had put back an original wiring harness, so I thought you had a problem with the M-unit.

Originaly I add to put back the original loom because the way that I've built it .... the loom was to big to my liking...  I've redone the entire loom about 3 or 4 time trying each time make it gradually smaller.

The m-unit work realy well  the times that I've put it on the bike.   Also all the other motogadet that I have work flawlesly for the last 3 years . I didin't have any single issues whit them ( m-lock and the tiny speedo gauge)  [bow_down]

Thank you for your return for the use of the M-unit.

je will try to do also to the simplest also

Update

A new hi-comp piston set just arrive today !!!  [bow_down]  finally I may ride this year  [Dolph]
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The pistons hare in .....  [bow_down]   ...
I add tho do the job twice ....   I've put them on the wrong side the first time ....the intake/exaust where facing the wrong side.... [bang] [laugh]

Experience gained  ;D

It's staring to look like a bike agan..... [popcorn] the motor is almost ready.  The only tning that is missing is the timming belts

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It's been a very long project.. [bang]  all the parts are in and I'm wating for the podewder coater.... he sould I've the frame ready in about 2 weeks he hand to special order the color .....  it's going to be gold (the traditional ducati gold frame color) to match whit the red gas tank ...

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Good job

Only the carburetors FCR 41 or 39  ;D

I whish ... the budget dosen't provide it.....for now... ;D.. but 41 would be my choice... [thumbsup]

Must be great to be getting close to completion.

The original colours will look great.

As someone who has hunted unsuccessfully for the true original Ducati gold color in powdercoat, could you be so kind as to post some sort of link to this person, the color used, or anything else helpful?  I'm sure I'm not the only one here...

The frame on Dennis' bike looked pretty close to OEM shade when I had it in a year ago.
 :P

I dont exacly know the name of the color..... but the guy told me he did some ducati wheels a couple weeks ago and he showed me an example.  I never realize that the gold is more "brown" then "yellow".
 
I guess I'll have to wait a week or two to see the results

Tanks  [thumbsup]   I bougth the bike about 6 years ago  saying to myself that I would overhaul it (check my first post on DMF )... it took 6 years to learn mecanics on my hown....  although the last 3 years my husband gave me alot of  knowledge and confidence.   [thumbsup]

Clearly you and your hubby are a great team. 👍🏻

Looking forward to seeing the new paintwork. 👍🏻👍🏻

It's time for new fork seal (after about 10 years)
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The old one where..... used... [laugh] 
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I'm looking the rigth part number for the rear wheel berings
(1995 monster 900cc)
The dealer orderd part #751631747 but when i got them they where only 12mm thick....  [bang]  now I'm looking for  the whrigt part number 40mm wide... 17mm internal... and 16mm thick ....

Does someone has a clue ?

The dealer is not the best at tring to figure out what it is ...

Contact or take in the bearing to a bearing business and see if they can match. Or maybe a sportbike shop (e.g. Honda, BMW, etc.).

Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk

Thanks .... [thumbsup]

The promblem is solved.. I-ve orderd the part ......from england :-\...  I use the SKF parf number on the bering itself... I tried to call the "bering store" near me and he said that these bering where "copyrighted " he could sold them only the ducati dealer can...   .... 50$  (not counting the custum fees) for a bering that is worth about 5$ ...... tanks ducati !  [bang]

Great to hear

Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk

The frame came back from powder coating today ..  [drool]

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Whit a bit of conpond and wax the fuel tank look  realy net again  [thumbsup]

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The new stering bering races hare in and the frame is on the bike..... let the fun begin  ;D

(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20170503_100642_zpslkn4kzzy.jpg)

After a couple hours its starting to look like a bike again.
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I love the frame color...great work!!   [thumbsup].  [Dolph].  [beer]

Tanks   [thumbsup] .... I call the color penut butter gold ;D...

 [clap]

I have mechanical knowledge envy.

Mark

It dosen't look like a pile of parts anymore ;D

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Looks great! Well done. 👍🏻👍🏻

Your Summer is on the way so I bet you're keen to get out for a spin! 👍🏻

Very nice!


Looking forward to seeing the finished job.

Tanks everyone. [thumbsup]

Now the ruff cut of the brakets for the coils and ignition modules
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Starting to work on the electronics
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I've decided to put the motogadget gauge insted of the key cluster

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Slowly getting there! 👍🏻👍🏻

I put a Motogadget mini in the same location in '10. I liked it, but it was a bit far to pull my eyes off the road and get them back to it.

Got a LOT of compliments on it though and your mount looks better than mine did!

Tanks   [thumbsup] ... the placement was is not ideal  wile riding, I admit.... I'll try it and if it's to anoying I will put it more foreward... the look of it is amazing.  I add to try it ...lol

Update :  [popcorn]

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Two years ago I got my hands on a front fairing....wandering if it looks good or not ... ?
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I got rid of the -
-airbox
-original battery
-origibal electrical loom
 -original gauges.
-key cluster
I think I'll saved at least 25 lbs of the upper weigth of the bike... [bow_down]  

(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20170516_181423_zps6zllegrp.jpg)


Now I'm only missing two things to finish the bike... a lithium/ion battery and those K&N air filters

Looks sharp!

I'm on the fence about the fairing.  If you've gone to that much effort to install the MotoGadget mini where the key was, it will leave a LOT of open room behind the fairing which should normally house gauges.  Could be good if you put a small compartment up there for a camera, or personal items.

Thats my opinon too. The fairing is pratical but after putting so mutch effort in cleaning up the front of the bike  I dont like covering all the work .

 [thumbsup]

By the way, I'm really enjoying your build.   [Dolph]

Geting closer and closer to the finish
 [popcorn] [bow_down]

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Tanks  [Dolph]  [thumbsup]

I did the first electrical tests today whit the lithium /ion battery...
Everyting is working properly. A little clean up is necessary though...and yeah I forgot ...I have to do a battery trey... Now, I 'm just waithing for the K&N air filters and some parts to complete the exausts
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I just cant wait to ear the engine ...after about a year and a half ! [bow_down]

Its alive !!!!! For the first time in almost 1 and half year its running !!  [thumbsup]  [bow_down] my husband was tweking it.. the carbs need a tune up

https://youtu.be/MHQNLrQsuCE (https://youtu.be/MHQNLrQsuCE)

 [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [clap] [clap] [clap]

Excellent!

Good job  [thumbsup]

It's almost complete..  I just need a baterry.... the one that I did rhe test whit was bum out of my husband Yamaha R1.... ;D... dont tell him... [laugh]

I'm also looking at the idea of Duc Stew to put a bag or someting inside the fairing to put away my cell phone and check book( i.e. a pusre)  [laugh]  [thumbsup]

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 One final touch... While I'm wating to get the battery..... I made a plate whit a 1 inch drop in the middle... I'll be able to put the stock seat whit almost no modofication on it..

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I'm not entirelly satified   .  It dosen't look as clean as I've done in the pass ... I'll put a pig tail from the loom to the m-unit to clean it up a little...
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(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20170617_123405_zps8yn1ex4l.jpg)  the last peace of the puzzle is in 

Its DONE  [bow_down]  ;D
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Complete front fork  rebuild
Valves shims adjusted
Ferraci hi-comp pistons
K&N filter
Custom bakets for the coils and ignition modules
Ca -cyclework coils,
Custom batery trey
Complete custom made motogadget loom
New Sterring berings
New weel bering
New rear weel shaft
New brake pads
Rizoma rearsets and fluid reservoirs (custom brakets)
Powder coated frame (+the frame was releived of all unecessary brakets)
Custum made beaket for the motogadget motorscope tiny
Apex clip ons
And there so many other little tings  [popcorn]

No. Never "done"  8)

Congrats and looks nice.

Saddly I know...  [laugh]

Congrats and well done. Time to ride! 👍🏻👍🏻