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"Monster 797" - Just announced!

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http://monster797.ducati.com/it_it/

Aimed at the other (non hipster ) young people; the Glamours. My kids would go for that.

So, what's the reason for the longer service intervals for the 4 valve motors (18000 miles vs 7500 for the Desmodue)?

Marketing around less expensive servicing I guess.

I tried to preorder the new Monster but I was refused on the grounds of being too old and ugly  ;). "Sir, we have this nice Multistrada 1200 instead". ;D

LOL

Man, them pegs are low and far forward.

And it's better looking than anything that's come out after the S*R series.

It appears to have a steel tank.

I actually kinda like the lines of the frame.

All of that is pending in-person inspection of the real thing.

It does increase my anticipation for the Moto Show in ~2 weeks (not that my anticipation was very high to begin with...).

Steel tank: yes

Compared to my 821's stock pegs, those look to be about 1" lower and probably 4-6" forward!

Those wheels look like they are off of an early 80's Yamaha. Too bad as the 796 had beautiful wheels.

Head light is an improvement. Trellis frame. OK, Virago wheels. Is that a hinged steel tank with a front clamp? [shot]

I thought they were measuring my waist for a jacket, but they were just profiling ;D

It's got a bit of KTM390 about it I reckon. They copied the copy cat.

I'm not seeing it... do expound

The 390 naked. Just the overall impression. The Honda VTR250 was a bigger rip off.

Similarities

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They're a good little bike from what I've seen. Popular here.

I like the frame

Perusing the specs, it seems to have the bare minimum of electronics, IE just ABS.

Chassis specs are ~same as Gen2.

They may have found the old cookbook.  :)

Hope so. It doesn't look half bad. I think the headlight not being so squashed in is a big improvement. Interesting to see if it can be retro fitted to the previous gen bikes.

same electronics as Scrambler . . .

so and older 796 engine and re-flashed ECU might give it a little more punch . . . just saying

Looks like it has a proper throttle cable... no RBW  [thumbsup]

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They have had enough trouble on some other models with RBW, but it's obviously a cost cutting measure. Good I say.

Stroked rather than bored 750, good for street performance imo.

Appears to be basically the same 803cc that we've had for quite a while.

Same trans ratios, APTC clutch.

Really a good sign, as the 800 motor is such a sweet unit.

Good they didn't throw the old donk out. Wonder how lean it is for Euro4?

same as Scrambler

Scrambler demo I rode was a bit touchy on small throttle.
But that was a single throttle body, and the low seat and wide high bars made the ergos awkward.
And it wasn't Euro4.

Are we sure this isn't a single throttle body?

(Runs out to garage to hug his '13 796... and whisper sweet nothings in it's ear.)

"Technology" page has it listed as dual 50mm throttle bodies.  Assuming that's correct and all.

Yep, wouldn't be the first time they got something right on the spec sheet.  [laugh]

LOLOLOL

we think you're beautiful...

In the eyes of the beholder ;D.

fixed it   ;D

It takes a few. ;)

Really, we're all liking this?  It's not worse, I'll give you that.  But it still has the Transformers headlight, the stubby can, the ugly pipe routing, the grasshopper swingarm, and a clunky seat.   Nice to see a more amble trestle again, though.

Headlight not as squished, but front guard is dumb imo. It has more oem blacked out components which is good, but the headlight bucket/bezel thingo should be black too.

"Grasshopper swingarm" [laugh]. A good description. Gull arm style would have looked better.

Ok, so I am partial to my 2001 M900, which was at the tail end of the first generation of styling (actually, I think it was 1.5 generation, but whatever).  As a comparison, here are the two:


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What I like about the 2001 is that:

- The tank shape flows more.  The new tank looks like the designer stopped for a coffee break and never bother to finish smoothing the lines.

- Also notice that the seat and tank seem to be one long sweep, whereas in the new version they appear more like a block out of which a large bite was taken to accommodate the rider's ass.

- The trestle frame is more rigid and symmetrical.  The new one looks like a kid that couldn't draw very well tried to copy the old one.  I get that the frame is not simply a styling element and serves a functional aspect, but the new one looks incomplete or designed by a committee.

- The front fender follows the shape of the wheel and, being black (or "carbon fibre color") it blends in with the tire and is more inconspicuous.  The new one doesn't flow:see how is kinda bends back up when it crosses the fork?  Also, the white pops against the tire and draws attention, whereas on the old one as I mentioned it blends with the tire, so the attention is drawn to the tank and frame, which really is the prettiest part of the original monster design.

- The chicken wing rear sets are ugly, I grant that error.  The new bike wins out here.

- One of the nices and most subtle things (which I enhanced by painting both parts black) is that the belt cover and the swing arm are in line with each other, making for a nice flow of concept.  It's as if one were the continuation of the other.  This is what good design is all about: lines that curve and sweep only to disappear and reappear as if they were connected.  The new monsters have lost that and that is my biggest style complaint.


Ok, I get that I'm nitpicking, but it's raining here so I've got a lot of free time today... ;)

Good work [thumbsup].
When you put 'em up against each other the new Monster looks like is was left too long in the sun and sagged like the Ford Taurus. I guess with a few cosmetic mods it will come up. I have seen nice looking modified 1200s. Plenty of dead stock 900s were improved in looks after a few mods.

 ;D

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