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Title: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: monsta on November 08, 2016, 04:13:03 PM
(http://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/11/cw1116-2017-ducati-scrambler-cafe-racer-image-06_0.jpg?itok=Qh4XCf7P&fc=50,50)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Dirty Duc on November 08, 2016, 04:35:35 PM
It's like the bastard love child of a monster and an SS.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 08, 2016, 04:55:48 PM
Or the love child of an M900 and AJS/Matchy  7R/G50.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: ducpainter on November 08, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
It's you.

Climb down...carefully. ;D


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 08, 2016, 05:12:27 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/3B899092-C464-436B-A522-1821112295B5.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/3B899092-C464-436B-A522-1821112295B5.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 08, 2016, 05:13:59 PM
You reminded me how much I like the '93/'94 models.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: IdZer0 on November 09, 2016, 01:00:13 PM
The seat cowl has the same lines as the old monster's cowl.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Duck-Stew on November 09, 2016, 01:10:35 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/3B899092-C464-436B-A522-1821112295B5.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/3B899092-C464-436B-A522-1821112295B5.jpeg.html)

BTW for the purists out there:  The photo is of Miguel Galluzzi's original Monster.  This is THE bike that prototyped *all* Monsters.  If there was a serial number on this one, it's '000000'.

I've seen it in person.  It's stunning.  The footpegs are machined out of billet.  The oil cooler is inverted from the SS of the time.  It's wearing the original tires.  Miguel loves this bike.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 09, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
Yeah different pipes and half painted over carbon front guard, no ugly breather pods. Extra carbon. Just beautiful.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 09, 2016, 01:41:49 PM
Thinking about it, he must have got his way becauae its very close to the production model.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 09, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
I thought that frame tube "X" junction above the clutch cover looked different.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 09, 2016, 07:55:21 PM
Maybe 851/888 style.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 09, 2016, 08:20:55 PM
Yeah, that's it, it's got the subframe bracket on top of the tube, just above the rear motor mount, like the 851/888.

The side covers and seat cowl have shapes that are distinctly different from the production bits.

Tank looks smaller too.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 10, 2016, 11:46:15 PM
Production....
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5796/30909928905_6a1539f9a1_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P6psYH)

...Prototype
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/3B899092-C464-436B-A522-1821112295B5.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/3B899092-C464-436B-A522-1821112295B5.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 11, 2016, 12:39:21 AM
Pretty close. Glad Galluzzi got his way.
I paint every metal clutch cover black.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: 77south on November 11, 2016, 07:42:18 AM
I want to see how it looks with a bullet fairing, like the Sport 1000S.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 11, 2016, 03:55:32 PM
I want to see how it looks with a bullet fairing, like the Sport 1000S.

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F27ADB0D-97A8-42D1-9A45-0F5ADAD02AFD.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F27ADB0D-97A8-42D1-9A45-0F5ADAD02AFD.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: ducpainter on November 11, 2016, 03:57:25 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F27ADB0D-97A8-42D1-9A45-0F5ADAD02AFD.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F27ADB0D-97A8-42D1-9A45-0F5ADAD02AFD.jpeg.html)
:-\

Not exactly sure what I'm looking at.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 11, 2016, 03:59:33 PM
:-\

Not exactly sure what I'm looking at.

It's a picture of a motorcycle Nate', you want some more soup?  ;)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 11, 2016, 04:13:15 PM
Scrambler based I guess with custom frame kit?
 Nicely done, but would hurt my body. I would have ridden that in my 20's and 30's.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: ducpainter on November 11, 2016, 05:22:27 PM
It's a picture of a motorcycle Nate', you want some more soup?  ;)
It's the picture of an ugly make the beast with two backsing motorcycle Daryl.

What's their point? What are they trying to express?

Ugly?

Try the soup comment one more time.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 11, 2016, 05:30:04 PM
All classic black would have looked better.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 11, 2016, 06:23:34 PM
It's the picture of an ugly make the beast with two backsing motorcycle Daryl.

What's their point? What are they trying to express?

Ugly?

Try the soup comment one more time.

He wanted to see the Scrambler with a bullit fairing. That was the closest pic I could find.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 11, 2016, 09:47:40 PM
That's remarkable.

They've managed to make black/gold *not* work.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Howie on November 11, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Damn, you guys are harsh!  Yeah, I don't know why, but that bike does ring the ugly bell.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 11, 2016, 11:03:28 PM
I don't think the bullet fairing works with the scrambler bodywork, or perhaps just not at those proportions.
It's a bar/triple mounted fairing, perhaps as a frame mount, it'd work better.

And they've chosen to make the heat shield on the pipe a focus, and honestly, it's not an attractive item to call attention to.
And from when I rode a Scrambler, it was one of the annoyances making the riding position unnatural.
Back when I rode 2-strokes, it was accepted that the pipe was in the way, as it was so freaking huge you had no option.
IIRC, Walter Kaaden said you'll know when a 2-stroke pipe is right, 'cause that's when it intrudes on the rider or forces the relocation of one or more major components.
But it's a 4-stroke, and the pipe is not so big.
It's possible to find a routing that doesn't force a compromise.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: 1.21GW on November 12, 2016, 01:26:54 AM
That's remarkable.

They've managed to make black/gold *not* work.

Maybe the problem is that that ain't gold.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 12, 2016, 01:43:14 AM
More a cream/beige. [puke]


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 12, 2016, 01:44:46 AM
The tank should just be black with classic gold pinstriping.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: 77south on November 12, 2016, 06:59:24 AM
I think to make it work, there have to be, changes.  A cafe racer doesn't need to worry about bashing the pipes on rocks, so move them down, exposing more of the engine and getting rid of that now unnecessary shielding on the pipes, next give a non god-awful paint job, then a lower, frame mounted bullet fairing, might work.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 12, 2016, 07:03:13 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/07D08FB2-022C-4A7D-A186-1B5FF29168DC.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/07D08FB2-022C-4A7D-A186-1B5FF29168DC.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 12, 2016, 07:03:27 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/93647735-F063-4C86-9A04-37D902E81DE7.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/93647735-F063-4C86-9A04-37D902E81DE7.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 12, 2016, 07:14:13 AM
The bike on the previous page is fine bar the paint and a few details. These one's are ugly in comparison imo.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 12, 2016, 02:38:07 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7EB5554E-703D-428D-BA31-6A7BEEB21535.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7EB5554E-703D-428D-BA31-6A7BEEB21535.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 12, 2016, 02:38:37 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/3E3C4393-050F-4831-A386-A61ABF97E71A.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/3E3C4393-050F-4831-A386-A61ABF97E71A.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 12, 2016, 03:00:10 PM
That one looks "naughty" :D


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 12, 2016, 03:02:17 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7EB5554E-703D-428D-BA31-6A7BEEB21535.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7EB5554E-703D-428D-BA31-6A7BEEB21535.jpeg.html)

Is that a throttle body or an S&S G series carb?  [laugh] I know its a TB but the effect is old school.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 12, 2016, 08:16:43 PM
I think the one with the MHE graphics would look cool without the graphics, if the pipe was changed, that one looks awkward.

The rest of 'em, bleh.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 12, 2016, 08:43:33 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/2471FF6E-48E7-4A31-B8A7-DBD37EE1D943.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/2471FF6E-48E7-4A31-B8A7-DBD37EE1D943.jpeg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B016CB34-87D4-4F75-9487-EA30A3948A06.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B016CB34-87D4-4F75-9487-EA30A3948A06.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: koko64 on November 14, 2016, 10:13:40 PM
The bike on the previous page is fine bar the paint and a few details. These one's are ugly in comparison imo.

After more vino rosso  [wine]I take that back. The MHR coloured one and the Pani one are ok.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: MadDuck on November 15, 2016, 09:54:56 PM
Geez meneez! Apart from the original Monster the rest of these could all be in a "which one is the ugliest" contest.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Duck-Stew on November 16, 2016, 04:34:56 AM
The swingarm kills them for me.  I can't get away from the grasshopper-y-ness of it.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Charlie98 on November 16, 2016, 06:39:29 AM
Geez meneez! Apart from the original Monster the rest of these could all be in a "which one is the ugliest" contest.


Yup.  Never been much of a custom bike guy (custom just for the sake of custom, not one-off custom for purpose of function.)  The current trend is taking a modern bike and trying to make it look like a barn find from 1920.   [puke]


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: muskrat on November 16, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/2471FF6E-48E7-4A31-B8A7-DBD37EE1D943.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/2471FF6E-48E7-4A31-B8A7-DBD37EE1D943.jpeg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B016CB34-87D4-4F75-9487-EA30A3948A06.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B016CB34-87D4-4F75-9487-EA30A3948A06.jpeg.html)
I dig this.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: NAKID on November 16, 2016, 06:43:55 PM
Looks like one big reg/rec under the rear cowl...


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 16, 2016, 06:49:05 PM
Looks like one big reg/rec under the rear cowl...

Well, yeah.

I get a very strong Amphicar vibe from it.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Dirty Duc on November 16, 2016, 08:11:28 PM
The swingarm kills them for me.  I can't get away from the grasshopper-y-ness of it.
Thanks... The grasshopper visions will no longer be avoidable.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Duck-Stew on November 18, 2016, 06:19:04 AM
Thanks... The grasshopper visions will no longer be avoidable.

Two years from now, Ducati will produce a better looking arm.  Some of those with the old arm will do the swap and all will be forgotten.  Some won't bother b/c honestly I can see this one being stronger and lighter.  It's odd how a lot of people place aesthetics above true weight loss when it really boils down to it.

rant over.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 21, 2016, 08:32:17 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7A379ADB-8C65-4F97-A503-E4B11531FE94.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7A379ADB-8C65-4F97-A503-E4B11531FE94.jpeg.html)

http://silodrome.com/custom-ducati-scrambler/


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on November 21, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
No. Just No.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Dirty Duc on November 21, 2016, 09:27:26 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7A379ADB-8C65-4F97-A503-E4B11531FE94.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7A379ADB-8C65-4F97-A503-E4B11531FE94.jpeg.html)

http://silodrome.com/custom-ducati-scrambler/
The body, I don't hate. The rest, like hiding the front brake by only taking pictures of the right side, I do hate. WTF with the extra dampers... it's not like Racetech is expensive...


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Howie on November 21, 2016, 10:26:56 PM
Just an attempt to make it look like one of these:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/11017253@N06/6983072467/


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 21, 2016, 10:35:32 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0839BADE-D36A-466D-A177-132016AA1018.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0839BADE-D36A-466D-A177-132016AA1018.jpeg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/AFA87CE3-D3EB-4BCC-8DCD-68EDCA1D45E0.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/AFA87CE3-D3EB-4BCC-8DCD-68EDCA1D45E0.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 21, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1239D22C-B0BE-46E4-AC6B-75AE437026BE.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1239D22C-B0BE-46E4-AC6B-75AE437026BE.jpeg.html)

http://columnm.com/cafe-gorgeous/


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Duck-Stew on November 22, 2016, 06:22:48 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0839BADE-D36A-466D-A177-132016AA1018.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0839BADE-D36A-466D-A177-132016AA1018.jpeg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/AFA87CE3-D3EB-4BCC-8DCD-68EDCA1D45E0.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/AFA87CE3-D3EB-4BCC-8DCD-68EDCA1D45E0.jpeg.html)

Second pic: I'm actually hoping it falls over.  Wow.  What a pile.  "Custom" indeed.  >:(

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1239D22C-B0BE-46E4-AC6B-75AE437026BE.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1239D22C-B0BE-46E4-AC6B-75AE437026BE.jpeg.html)

http://columnm.com/cafe-gorgeous/

THIS, OTOH...  [drool]


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: stopintime on November 22, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
REQUEST:

I want to see how it looks with a bullet fairing, like the Sport 1000S.



RESPONSE:
(quite nice)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1239D22C-B0BE-46E4-AC6B-75AE437026BE.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1239D22C-B0BE-46E4-AC6B-75AE437026BE.jpeg.html)

http://columnm.com/cafe-gorgeous/


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 22, 2016, 09:40:19 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/84AE8D54-0FF0-43CC-9785-448FD418186A.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/84AE8D54-0FF0-43CC-9785-448FD418186A.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on November 22, 2016, 07:59:36 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/445958BA-57C5-4883-A273-BEDE8D4A50EF.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/445958BA-57C5-4883-A273-BEDE8D4A50EF.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Langanobob on December 21, 2016, 10:13:06 AM
The swingarm kills them for me.  I can't get away from the grasshopper-y-ness of it.

Same here.  I thought maybe I was just too old school for my own good, but I see that I'm in good company.  I know there are some good reasons for it in addition to making room for the catalytic converter but it would be the first thing I'd try and do something about.


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: kopfjäger on December 23, 2016, 02:43:15 PM
I'm trying to figure out the target audience.  ;)

https://youtu.be/ls4tUJxx9mI


Title: Re: is it me or is the new cafe scrambler reminiscent of the 1st gen monster?
Post by: Speeddog on December 23, 2016, 03:47:28 PM
Judas priest, that's make the beast with two backsin' awful.


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