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Title: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 10, 2017, 08:34:24 AM
Ok, so I'm thinking seriously about finally taking the heat from my fiance  :o  and getting a 2nd bike, a ducati. REALLY trying to keep the cost as low as possible but not get a "problem" bike either.    I found this one about 12 hours away. The current owner works in a "hot rod shop" and painted this. It was originally the dark model.  Selling to raise money for his '56 Chevy project. No service history on the bike other that a dyno report when the power commander was installed by the previous owner. The current owner has had it since '13 and has put about 1700 miles on it. Presumably has done simple oil/filter/lube/fluid changes.  No belt change.  If I can get it for less than advertised I think I'd pull the trigger on it.  I've looked at ebay and found original headlights [the original look is what I like] that would, hopefully, work with the current mounting bracket. Add the carbon fiber fairing, frame sliders and a exhaust upgrade and she's there!  He has the front fender and is painting it to match the rest of the bike. I've seen close-ups of the frame and cases, fork legs, wheels, steering head, triple tree, etc. as well as a video of the bike running. Everything seems to be in good shape.   http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/mcy/5961004355.html     It's got about 30K on the odometer.  I've also seen pictures of the bike when he bought it, before all the mods were done. He dosen't have the original headlight, bracket or fairing that were on it. The turn signals were upgraded to LED due to sagging and the tail chop.

My roommate had a '03 620ie and has some experience doing the service work on Ducati. I'm ok, mechanically speaking, with adult supervision.

Anyway, that's my long-winded way of asking what should I expect to do to this one to get her up to good mechanical shape and service?  Estimated cost for parts?    I'm assuming I'll do pretty much everything in the garage and only bring it to a dealer if there's some specialty work that would need to be done. Are mounting brackets for the CF fairings still available?  I didn't see anything sold as such on ebay.

As always, thanks.



Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Speeddog on February 10, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
Looks like it needs tires, at the least, a front.
Given how long the owner has had it, and the miles he put on, I'd say replace the tires just due to age.
Cambelts, oil and filter, flush and bleed all hydraulics.
Other stuff depending on inspection, driveline, for example.
Valve clearance adjustment.

Then you can upgrade.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 10, 2017, 10:11:11 AM
Thanks Speeddog.  I've seen a few belt/filter packages on ebay. I'll take sprockets/chain replacement and valve service as it comes. More shall be revealed?  Any idea how difficult it might be to find mounting brackets for fairing and original headlight?


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Speeddog on February 10, 2017, 10:32:09 AM
Shouldn't be hard to find headlight ears and U-bracket.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Howie on February 10, 2017, 10:56:02 AM
Or you can go this route   http://www.monsterparts.com/p/STEALTH50/Stealth+Headlight+Brackets-+50mm.html


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: koko64 on February 10, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
A dyno tuned PC is a bonus as is a pro paint job. I like these models. If its sound compression wise it would be cool with oem headlight, etc. Is there anyone nearby that could check it out for you?


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 10, 2017, 05:53:38 PM
Nobody I'm aware of but I'll accept offers!   ;D    I'll talk to the owner this weekend to see if we can agree on a price and go from there.

As always, thanks to all who help me along with the eventual procurement of my very own ducati monster.  [clap]


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: ducpainter on February 10, 2017, 06:33:32 PM
You'd have to tell us where you are before anyone could offer to help.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 10, 2017, 07:52:24 PM
HA!....yeah. That'd help.   Kinda thought it was on my profile     :-[      I'm near Minneapolis but the bike is near Cincinnati in a town called Harrison.  I'll let you guys know this weekend if it looks like a sale is gonna happen.

....and now back to work so I can eventually pay for SOME kinda duc 


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 11, 2017, 01:59:51 PM
So.....I asked the current owner a few more questions about the bike to clarify a couple of points.  He does not have any dyno paperwork on it. He was told by the previous owner that it had been done, but the guy didn't give him any papers.  He was told it came out around 90 HP or more, maybe 98? ..... but can't exactly remember.   I have seen it running and being goosed a little via a video he sent to me   ....  Also, did this year 900ie come with any front end adjustment for suspension?  I can't exactly tell and he's not sure.   Another question I asked was does he have a red key for it? Nope.   This is to you board members: did these come with the red key?  How difficult [$!] is it to get one?  Does the fact that it has a power commander negate the need for the red key at all?

Depending on if the key is an issue and to what degree it's an issue, he'll accept the conditional offer I made on it.   Thanks.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Speeddog on February 11, 2017, 03:28:28 PM
That's about an 80 HP motor, at best.
Nothing wrong with that.

It has the adjustable forks.

No need for a red key, it does not have an immobilizer.
Those started in '02, other than '01 S4.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 11, 2017, 04:21:13 PM
Speeddog, thanks for the information.

......I think I'm joining the cool kids club and getting a ducati.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 11, 2017, 05:20:17 PM

   For some reason, I've always thought the red key was for reprogramming [or remapping?] the ECU on ducs   [thumbsdown]   .......live and learn.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: koko64 on February 11, 2017, 05:50:22 PM
Pretty much but not that model which is good.👍


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 11, 2017, 06:19:12 PM

  just curious but why is that a good thing?  Less SNAFU possibilities? 


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: koko64 on February 11, 2017, 06:32:59 PM
Yep. As Howie says, the immobilizers often lock out the wrong guy.
Simpler is better with Italian electrics.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Speeddog on February 11, 2017, 06:38:33 PM
Yes.
The primary effect of the immobilizer is preventing the rightful owner from operating their motorcycle.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 11, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
You f-ers crack me up.   ;D    Ok, so looking up the vin for the bike, it's come up as a M900 S  and a M900 Special ie    ???  Is this a S model bike or is there a generic term used or confusion over that specific year?  The owner doesn't believe it's listed as a S model on the title .... but ?

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Howie on February 11, 2017, 08:17:07 PM
S stands for Special, ie for fuel injected.  Since all '01 900s were ie most people drop that part.  If I remember correctly the 900 S came with adjustable forks, fairing and aluminum swing arm.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 11, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
Sweet!   A 900S it is!  I'm buyin' it!


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 12, 2017, 09:01:57 AM

Adjustable front suspension and aluminum swingarm?. Nice!.  I've noticed that the later year M900S and 1000's also came with a upgraded Ohlins rear suspension?  I'm guessing the '01 model did not?  Is that the case?  .......  still, what a great looking/sounding/feeling machine to ride on.

The owner is taking a little more video for me, focusing on the wheels, fork, swingarm, frame and engine case. I just needed a little clearer visual of the metal surfaces before I drive 12 hours to get it.   All the painted surfaces are like new.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Howie on February 12, 2017, 09:38:00 AM
'01 same Sachs as the other Monsters.  '00 did get an Ohlins rear though.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 12, 2017, 10:16:59 AM

  Thank you howie.  just curious, .... but when did Ducati start using fuel injection systems on their bikes?  .... and was it '00 when they started using them on the M series? ..... where are the Sachs suspensions made?    Does Ducati still use 'em?


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Speeddog on February 12, 2017, 10:52:00 AM
The 851 was fuel injected in 1987.

Monsters got fuel injection on the 900's in '00, '01 on the S4, and across the board in '02.

Sachs is German.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: koko64 on February 12, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
My bro has an '01 M900S. He fitted an Ohlins shock off a 2000 model. A really nice bike. The bike has hi comp pistons, an open airbox, Termi pipes, mild porting and a PCIII with a Fast by Ferracci map and it runs very well. He is considering a light (machined down) flywheel. A good overall tune will work wonders. A good dyno tune with an open airbox will get you towards 80 hp and hi comp pistons will move it towards 90 hp (depending on how the dyno reads).


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 12, 2017, 02:38:06 PM
Sounds pretty nice!.....but I have a serious budget to stick to, at least for the visible future. However, it's nice to know there are options in case I hit some unexpected pile of cash and want to pump up the bike. The fine tune via a dyno or experienced wrench sounds right up my alley. Finding the rear Ohlins off of a 2000 M900 could work too. My roommate has agreed to help me work through the fairly comprehensive 30K service for the bike as well as offering to cut/core the stock exhaust if I need to go that way. The bike sure enough needs to be given a deeper/louder voice.

I'll be honest, right now, I'm just happy to have found what seems to be a really nice 900, that's in my budget, that just needs a few tweeks to have the look and sound I've been thinking of.  I just saw some longer, closer video of the forks, wheels, engine case, swingarm, etc. and it looks really clean. The paint work the guy did is really nice. It's in great shape for 16 year old bike with 30,000 on it.

I've seen a set of Arrow slip-ons for sale locally. They look pretty much brand new. They're off of a '03 620ie and I think I could get them for really cheap.  Any idea if there's a chance they could fit on a '01 900?   I checked on the Arrow website to see what I might be able to figure out. It looks like their exhaust for the 900 years available are 1994 to 1999,  the 620 availability is '02 to '06 and the M1000 is available for '03 to '05 models. Not sure why there's a hole in the product availability for 900's between 2000 and 2001. The Arrow product #'s seem to be the same for all 3 Ducati models. ???  not sure what that means.

Anyway, just throwing it out there in case somebody here might have a clue about the interchangeability for the Arrow slip-on for monsters

as always,

Thanks for the continuing help on my new Ducati. You guys rock, everybody else sucks.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: koko64 on February 12, 2017, 03:26:04 PM
Check out sponsor Motowheels. There is a common fitment for those models. At the right price a bit of fiddling with fit is worth it.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: ducpainter on February 12, 2017, 03:46:51 PM
The cans from a 620 should fit right up. Unless my addled brain has completely lost it all Monsters, of the old generation, share the same header diameters. They also share the same footpeg/exhaust hanger brackets.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 12, 2017, 03:47:47 PM
Thank you. I'll do that.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Speeddog on February 12, 2017, 06:13:59 PM
That bike doesn't have stock cans on it.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 12, 2017, 06:42:27 PM


Wait, what?   Really?  Not stock exhaust cans?  Any idea what's on it?  Granted it's sometimes difficult to gauge based on the audio but judging from the video of the bike running, it sure didn't SOUND like aftermarket.   Are you suggesting that maybe I shouldn't be so quick to pounce on the Arrow cans for sale?  I think I may be able to get them for about $200. They look new too.
.... but I don't need to waste $ if the ones one the bike might sound better than I THINK they do either.   I'm still a week or 2 from picking it up.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: Howie on February 12, 2017, 07:16:55 PM
Definitely not stock.  No idea what they are. 

Stock: 

http://moto.zombdrive.com/images1600_/ducati-monster-620-s-ie-11.jpg

Plus the US version would have the exhaust system noise emissions compliance info embossed on the outside of the shell.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: 673monster on February 12, 2017, 07:31:19 PM
I'm rebuilding a 2000 900ie...have a few parts...what do you need? (Sorry, I'm lazy and didn't read the entire thread...I live downstream  of Lake Oroville )


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 12, 2017, 07:48:15 PM
 673monster - If the parts will fit AND you're not using them, I'm looking for the OEM headlight and probably a mounting bracket? as well as the cf fairing or a reasonable facsimile and whatever mounting hardware needed.  Other than that, the bike looks to be pretty complete. It does need a serious service but parts for that are readily available.  Not sure what all you have to offer either. You might have stuff I'm not even thinking of...  no worries,  we're all a little lazy at times.   ???

Anyway, thank you for offering!

I just watched the video of the bike running again. The video was taken inside of a garage and still sounded pretty darn quiet when revved.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: ducpainter on February 12, 2017, 07:52:47 PM
This thread has just about lived it's useful life before it will morph into a parts wanted/available.

Keep that stuff in the appropriate board, please.


Title: Re: Servicing a 2001 M900 with no service history
Post by: diamonddog-2 on February 12, 2017, 08:01:37 PM
Yeah, sorry about that.   :-[


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