Title: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 09, 2018, 07:17:46 AM Hi all,
I just bought my first Ducati, a 2001 750 Dark from a coworker, for the low low price of free. Now I know better than most that there's no such thing as a free motorcycle (my previous bike was a neglected BMW K75, now those things cost a lot to maintain). He was getting rid of it because the dealer quoted him $1200 for necessary work. I'm pretty sure I can beat that. Here she is as she sits now. I was able to ride it from my buddy's back to my house, and it drove pretty well. The tires are racing takeoffs and are downright scary. Has ~20k miles, and service records are spotty. (https://i.imgur.com/pO45pir.jpg) Let's pop the hood and see what we're dealing with... (https://i.imgur.com/qDRfxsh.jpg) Woah, someone's had some work done. The airbox is missing and those giant pods were installed. The fueling felt pretty good on the ride home, so I guess it's been jetted. Smelled a little rich at idle, so I'll check the plugs and see if I need to adjust the bypass screws. First things first though, oil change and belts. The last service record I got says that fork seals, oil, and petcock were replaced in 2015... but nothing about belts. Yikes. Of course I booger up the cover trying to get the very seized screws out. Broke the rubber inner cover too. (https://i.imgur.com/hGBkk6O.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/0ACXWVD.jpg) Got the new belts on no trouble, and she started right up, so that's a load off my mind. I'm thinking the next thing to tackle is the general dirt all over. This thing is filthy. (https://i.imgur.com/BaNoddn.jpg) Like, there's actually an ant colony or something living in the gage cluster, and there was a cockroach in the spark plug hole. Just realized looking at the pics why the engine is so dirty: the front fender is missing!! The wiring to the taillight is questionable as well, and I'd like to put turn signal back on instead of using the integrated signals in the taillight. I'm thinking I'll order the Monster Tail Chop kit and install their bracket, nothing else I can find allows for mounting turn signal with my high exhausts. (https://i.imgur.com/4p8rn41.jpg) So the techy question for the board is, how do I remove the cam gears in order to replace the rubber cover things? Total cost so far: 69.97 Front tire 94.86 Rear tire 22.47 1 gallon oil 11.78 oil filter 13.21 new grips 82.22 2 belts from Motowheels.com 46.99 4x LED turn signals from amazon Tools purchased for job so far: 70.99 Venom front and rear stands 7.89 28 mm socket for front axle Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: GK on June 09, 2018, 02:34:00 PM Great pickup. Itβll be great to see the old girl get put back to her former splendor.
ππ»ππ» Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: stopintime on June 10, 2018, 02:25:08 AM It'll be fun following this bike to it's new life [thumbsup]
Small minus for the clip ons 'soloution' [thumbsdown] There is a tool for the cam gears, but if you have three out of four screws..... maybe that's enough... Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: koko64 on June 10, 2018, 02:37:51 AM Good score [beer]
I need someone to give me an M750. Subscribed [thumbsup] Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: koko64 on June 10, 2018, 02:44:35 AM Usually a special tool like a castle nut socket and a pulley holder. Oem is expensive but aftermarket are available in USA. Our sponsors should supply or know of suppliers. Some make a castle nut socket out of a regular one. You gotta do it right.
Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 10, 2018, 04:26:20 AM It'll be fun following this bike to it's new life [thumbsup] Small minus for the clip ons 'soloution' [thumbsdown] There is a tool for the cam gears, but if you have three out of four screws..... maybe that's enough... I'm not a fan of the look of the clip ons on top of the triple clamp, but it's more comfortable than I would have guessed (for the half hour I've ridden so far). Unfortunately the stock handlebar clamp didn't come in the box of parts, so if anyone wants to sell me one... Ebay sellers are wanting at least 100. I figure I can always get clip ons with higher risers. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: Howie on June 10, 2018, 09:38:48 AM If you want to stay with clip ons our sponsors Monsterparts and Moto Wheels carry a variety, some properly designed for over the triple and some under the triple with rise. SPEEDYMOTO tall boys a lot of rise. They also carry a good selection of aftermarket specialty tools.
Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 10, 2018, 10:15:59 AM It looks like this tool might work for removing the cam gear in order to replace the cover.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUCATI-Monster-1100-Cam-Pulley-Tool-for-Ducati-2-valve-Belt-Engine/142788648677?var=null Anybody know the size of the rear axle nut? My new rear tire is coming this week, and I just had the thought that I might not have a socket large enough. Already had to order one for the front axle. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 12, 2018, 04:43:51 PM Didn't accomplish a whole lot today:
Got the front brakes back on, torqued everything on the front end properly. Did some cleaning, flushed a ton of dirt out of the oil rad. Installed new front turn signals and cleaned up the wiring. Changed out the skull grips! The throttle side was a booger, the expansion nut holding the mirror in slid way in, had to rotate the clip on to push it out. I hate those expansion nuts, there's got to be a better way... I do own a welder... I forgot to buy open ended grips, so I had to cut out the end which is annoying. The throttle tube is binding a little. The clutch side was more interesting: :-X (https://i.imgur.com/kmoYHq6.jpg) Discovered the source of my any problems. Gave them a spritz, put a bait trap on the gages, so hopefully when I get back out there my buddies are gone. Anybody have a handlebar clamp and want to trade for some clip ons? Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: Speeddog on June 12, 2018, 08:46:17 PM You can use an old cambelt and an offbeat style of visegrip.
http://www.irwin.com/tools/locking-tools/the-original-large-jaw-locking-pliers That is the serious low budget way of doing it. Problem is the castle nuts are very tight. That bike has adjustable pulleys, mark the alignment you've got now in case it slips when you're torquing on the castle nut. And check it before you turn the motor over. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 16, 2018, 08:06:20 AM Got myself the special castle nut tool and pulley holder, $38 shipped. After I'm done I'll throw it up for sale in the classifieds section. Just waiting on the new rubber cap things to arrive from AMS Ducati. Found a NOS horizontal belt cover on ebay too to replace the one I cracked.
Got a lot of good work done over the past few days, but didn't take that many pictures to prove it. Used the zip tie method to change the rear tire, and holy crap that is so much easier than using spoons. Took about 15 minutes to get the old tire off and the one on and seated. Getting the wheel back on the bike was a boondoggle. I mounted the axle spacer backwards of course, had a hell of a time getting the axle through. Left it for the night because I suspected something wasn't quite right. Looked it up here and saw that it was a common mistake. (https://i.imgur.com/etFPwCR.jpg) Installed a front fender that I got for a steal off ebay, including the stupidly expensive fork clamps and hardware. Looks pretty good if I do say so. (https://i.imgur.com/sUMrg2y.jpg) Installed LED turn signals, front and rear. I was having the issue where all four signals would flash regardless of which direction the switch was pushed. Solution was to pull the idiot light out of the dash. Would replacing that light with an LED fix the bleed through? (https://i.imgur.com/GHRAKKL.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Y03uNwm.jpg?1) At the same time I installed a new mounting bracket for the license plate which had provisions for mounting the rear turn signals. Shoutout to Monster Tail Chop for their excellent kit. Took her out for a spin and went and got the state safety inspection, passed with flying colors (not that it's hard, they just check lights and horn). Synced the carbs while it was warm (it was actually already in perfect sync, didn't need to adjust). (https://i.imgur.com/G6srKaK.jpg) Next steps: clean the pods, degrease and detail engine, route wiring better, replace belt thingys, and ride the damn thing. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: Howie on June 16, 2018, 08:33:26 AM Keep the tools, at least for as long as you own a bike they work on. How is the blink rate on the LED blinkers? Resistors will slow down the blink rate and prevent feed back. allowing you to reinstall the idiot light.
The ugly Duckling is starting to look good [thumbsup] Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: ute on June 16, 2018, 02:19:12 PM Looking Good
Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: Ddan on June 16, 2018, 02:47:09 PM I did this for the directionals:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2136/2548076158_1f0831c776.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/4Taygy) (https://flic.kr/p/4Taygy) Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 16, 2018, 03:58:24 PM Thanks Ddan, that'll help a lot. Feel weird ordering such small mundane things on Amazon, but without radio shack I don't know where to buy such things locally.
I replaced the relay with an electronic flasher unit, $10 off Amazon. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 17, 2018, 04:43:37 PM Did some major cleaning today. Got some Gunk brand engine cleaner, the foaming kind. Worked a treat. Really foams up to get in all the crevices. Took the pods off first and put saran wrap over the holes, ziptied in place. Used a nylon brush and scrubbed and sprayed and everywhere I could reach. Left a hazmat spill on the driveway afterward, lots of grease came off.
(https://i.imgur.com/HiEjvtk.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/54laQQz.jpg) Also cleaned out the pods, lots of the same grease and road grime in the pleats. Spilled gas everywhere when I propped the tank up (I just filled it on Friday). Does it normally spill out the filler cap like that? Guess I need to invest in some quick disconnects so I can pull the tank off if need be. Looking close at the fuel hose, it appears to be original since it still has oetiker clamps on it. Starting to crack in a few places so that needs doing. Can I just use generic autoparts store stuff or should I spring for the specially curved Ducati stuff? (https://i.imgur.com/haauAat.jpg) Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: koko64 on June 17, 2018, 06:30:51 PM Tank seal overflow can happen but usually on a very full tank.
Good work and good score. Get the WD40 and wire brush and clean up all the all the electrical connections and ground points. Aits good you are checking all the rubber hoses for cracks and splits. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 21, 2018, 08:30:09 AM Anybody know if these would work on my triple? I'd like to use these because then I could clamp a RAM mount to the exposed bar in the middle.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302756896173 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302756896173) Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: stopintime on June 21, 2018, 09:10:06 AM Anybody know if these would work on my triple? I'd like to use these because then I could clamp a RAM mount to the exposed bar in the middle. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302756896173 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302756896173) Hmm.. I'm not convinced they will. My stock bar 'risers' are higher (from vague ? memory) and the bar diameter looks (again vague ?) like they'd fit a 22mm steel bar - as delivered on the Dark version of the S2R. Maybe the Dark parts are more like yours than a standard S2R.... Parts number work in order. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: Speeddog on June 21, 2018, 09:57:25 AM I think those will have the bolts too far apart to install them on an early triple.
Just a suspicion at this point, no backup. As fate has it, the OEM parts manual does not even show the lower clamp parts. At all. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 22, 2018, 04:40:07 AM Lots to report, mostly frustrations. Went to start some work on the bike, throw it up on the rear stand, notice that the sight glass is really full. Crankcase is full of gas. Put a can under the carb drains and it just flows forever. So we have a sticking float needle and the petcock has failed (I have a receipt from the PO that shows the petcock being replaced two years ago!)
(https://i.imgur.com/UsBmxDx.jpg) Spilled gas everywhere trying to syphon/drain the tank, eventually get it off. Removed the carbs for a good bench cleaning. (https://i.imgur.com/oMK5C1o.jpg) (you can see the pulley holder in the pipe) I eventually got to the original task for the day: removing the pulley castle nut so I could replace the rubber cap thing. Those nuts are insane. Had to put a 4 foot pipe on the pulley holder so I could rest it against the ground, and used another 4 foot pipe on the nut tool. Was really scared about breaking something, but it came off eventually. I had marked the placement of the belt on the pulley, and the pulley was aligned with the timing mark. Kinda scary that there isn't any real indexing of the pulley to the shaft. (https://i.imgur.com/DgHAyCH.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ZpV3V0H.jpg) Luckily ebay had a $15 of $75 promotion. Used my account and my girlfriends, scooped: 1) motion pro manual petock 2) motion pro quick connect 3) carb rebuild kit (I peaked in the carbs, orings and gaskets are toast) 4) handlebar clamps! 5) fuel filter So kinda frustrated. Hoping to be able to ride this thing to the beach for the 4th but that deadline is quickly approaching. Thinking that I should also replace the needle seats, but I'll disassemble the carbs and post some pics today and let the internet weigh in. With the pod filters you'd hope there's already a jet kit in it... Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: mileshh1 on June 22, 2018, 06:52:36 AM Did a thorough carb cleaning/inspection this morning.
Before disassembly I dunked them in container of oxiclean and dish soap (they had a lot of crud on the outside that I didn't want getting in. (https://i.imgur.com/Kj9kpOw.jpg) Gaskets are toast: (https://i.imgur.com/RzmTk1y.jpg) Pleasant surprise, has factory pro stuff in it, including what appear to be factory plated emulsion tubes. I can't detect any ovaling, so I'm gonna hold off on replacing those. (https://i.imgur.com/1uFPAb7.jpg) Main jets are 137.5 and the needle is clipped as shown: (https://i.imgur.com/93sLPMU.jpg) Diaphragms and everything else look good, so here's hoping the petcock and rebuild kit solve this problem. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: Uncle Mofo on June 22, 2018, 07:13:48 AM Cool thread, watching [popcorn]
Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: GK on June 22, 2018, 12:06:31 PM +1. ππ»π₯
Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: koko64 on June 22, 2018, 01:48:01 PM [thumbsup]
FP make a quality jet kit and I'm told well suited to the 750 motor. The FP needle jets/emulsion tubes are a bonus and will outlast oem tubes. So you might getaway with just replacing the float bowl gaskets and maybe the float needle valves. Note that I have had brand new float needle valves leak while the leaking/flooding stopped when I refitted the manky old ones. Who knew. Beware the diaphragms shrinking out of the carbs so refit them to hold their shape. Rebuild kits are available from Powerbarn, SUDCO, Jets r Us or your Yamaha dealer. Interesting to see what the local Ducati dealer wants for a rebuild kit. The jetting looks to be in the ballpark. Title: Re: The ugly Ducling Post by: varmicon_qa on July 03, 2018, 12:45:43 PM Looks like it is coming together !
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