Title: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: kopfjäger on February 23, 2020, 09:26:21 AM QATAR MOTOGP TEST TIMES - SUNDAY (FINAL) RIDER NAT TEAM TIME LAP 1 = Fabio Quartararo FRA Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 54.038s 52/65 2 ^3 Alex Rins SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) +0.162s 52/53 3 ˅1 Maverick Viñales SPA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.226s 53/68 4 ˅1 Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.443s 55/70 5 ˅1 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Pramac Ducati (GP20) +0.482s 37/52 6 ^8 Johann Zarco FRA Reale Avintia (GP19) +0.527s 55/56 7 ˅1 Joan Mir SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) +0.574s 23/52 8 ˅1 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP20) +0.624s 36/60 9 ˅1 Valentino Rossi ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.702s 22/52 10 ˅1 Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) +0.721s 30/43 11 ˅1 Aleix Espargaro ITA Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) +0.724s 26/33 12 ˅1 Danilo Petrucci ITA Ducati Team (GP20) +0.814s 23/49 13 ˅1 Pol Espargaro SPA Red Bull KTM (RC16) +0.852s 25/54 14 ˅1 Marc Marquez SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V) +1.055s 26/46 15 = Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP20) +1.156s 11/42 16 = Tito Rabat SPA Reale Avintia (GP19) +1.314s 53/54 17 = Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16) +1.562s 20/53 18 = Iker Lecuona SPA Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)* +1.606s 45/53 19 = Alex Marquez SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V)* +1.687s 22/48 20 = Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM (RC16)* +1.892s 19/57 21 = Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) +2.140s 26/27 22 = Bradley Smith GBR Aprilia Test Rider (RS-GP) +2.369s 49/52 Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: kopfjäger on February 23, 2020, 09:26:55 AM https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/936421/1/ducati-silent-rideheight-footage-emerges
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: Speeddog on February 23, 2020, 08:28:02 PM @Anna_Maria_09 crunching data like the boss she is.
Mav, Q, and Rins with a solid 0.3-0.5 sec gap on the pursuers. Nakagami is likely happy he's on the '19 model, as the other 3 on the '20's are struggling. MM yardsaled one of his bikes, Cal hit the deck and thrashed his arms, AM is likely riding careful trying to avoid that. (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49577710922_82363a7a31_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ix1Jcm) Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: duccarlos on February 24, 2020, 12:58:32 PM MM admitted that they were lost throughout testing. He even stole Nakagami's bike. I'm not sure if I should get my hopes too high. Ducati always have a chance of winning Qatar. After that race, everything goes to hell as MM comes to grip with whatever turd NRC has delivered and he demolishes the rest of the field.
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: Speeddog on February 24, 2020, 01:53:15 PM Honda is alleging that it's the '20 aero package that's at fault.
They can fit the '19 aero package, or run their test team and composite panel folks into the ground trying mods, but whatever they choose it's got to be homologated by Qatar. Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: duccarlos on February 24, 2020, 02:38:34 PM So they're not admitting that they finally built a bike that not even MM can ride?
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: duccarlos on February 24, 2020, 02:43:57 PM https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/936533/1/marquez-great-step-after-being-completely-lost
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: koko64 on February 24, 2020, 03:09:50 PM So much downforce the thing won't turn?
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: kopfjäger on February 24, 2020, 11:41:23 PM QATAR MOTOGP TEST TIMES - MONDAY (FINAL)
RIDER NAT TEAM TIME LAP 1 ^10 Maverick Viñales SPA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 53.858s 69/84 2 ˅1 Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.033s 29/52 3 ^6 Alex Rins SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) +0.210s 40/40 4 ˅2 Fabio Quartararo FRA Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.219s 35/58 5 ^1 Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP20) +0.247s 69/69 6 ˅3 Joan Mir SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) +0.271s 33/42 7 ^5 Marc Marquez SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V) +0.291s 51/61 8 ˅4 Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) +0.381s 24/33 9 ˅4 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM (RC16)* +0.425s 40/58 10 ˅3 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP20) +0.454s 38/55 11 ^3 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Pramac Ducati (GP20) +0.468s 55/55 12 ˅4 Valentino Rossi ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.474s 28/47 13 ˅3 Aleix Espargaro ITA Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) +0.574s 35/56 14 ˅1 Pol Espargaro SPA Red Bull KTM (RC16) +0.765s 42/49 15 ^1 Tito Rabat SPA Reale Avintia (GP19) +0.816s 55/56 16 ˅1 Danilo Petrucci ITA Ducati Team (GP20) +0.894s 35/56 17 ^3 Johann Zarco FRA Reale Avintia (GP19) +0.902s 62/66 18 = Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) +0.972s 61/70 19 ˅2 Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16) +1.150s 48/48 20 ˅1 Iker Lecuona SPA Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)* +1.443s 26/40 21 = Alex Marquez SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V)* +1.661s 31/47 22 = Bradley Smith GBR Aprilia Test Rider (RS-GP) +2.058s 48/55 Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: kopfjäger on February 24, 2020, 11:43:05 PM https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/936533/1/marquez-great-step-after-being-completely-lost
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: duccarlos on February 25, 2020, 07:30:52 AM https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/936533/1/marquez-great-step-after-being-completely-lost derby Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: Speeddog on February 25, 2020, 07:48:46 AM So much downforce the thing won't turn? Perhaps some weird aero behavior at high angles of attack, random stalling perhaps. But Cal mentioned issues on corner exit as well. I think Honda blaming the aero is a fib. Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: koko64 on February 25, 2020, 08:18:23 AM Are Honda still using Showa? There were two issues I read about, one being the 20 bike harder to turn than the19 bike and the second being a total loss of front end feel. The second led to inexplicable crashes with confused riders (reminds me of Ducati in the recent past).
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: duccarlos on February 25, 2020, 08:27:24 AM Are Honda still using Showa? There were two issues I read about, one being the 20 bike harder to turn than the19 bike and the second being a total loss of front end feel. The second led to inexplicable crashes with confused riders (reminds me of Ducati in the recent past). The Honda riders were complaining about lack of front end feel last year. MM was able to ride around it, finding the limit by saving an inordinate amount of front end washouts. I assume that the real concern this year, beyond the front end feel getting worse, is MM's lingering shoulder injury that would not allow him to save the bike. I think that they did go down the road Ducati went on when Stoner was riding the wheels off the bike. He was able to mask the issues, but HRC has the $$$ to right the ship during the season. Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: Speeddog on February 25, 2020, 10:02:46 AM Engine is homologated at Qatar, and cannot be altered internally until 2021.
Aero is homologated at Qatar as well, but one in-season update is allowed. Testing by contracted riders (read as: fast guys) is severely limited. So if the mistake is in either of those areas, it's a big problem. Their test riders cannot (apparently) help, if they could, they'd not be in this situation. I suspect they've sliced through a nerve in MM's shoulder and they'll have to go back in to attempt a repair. Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: duccarlos on February 25, 2020, 10:18:45 AM Engine is homologated at Qatar, and cannot be altered internally until 2021. Aero is homologated at Qatar as well, but one in-season update is allowed. Testing by contracted riders (read as: fast guys) is severely limited. So if the mistake is in either of those areas, it's a big problem. Their test riders cannot (apparently) help, if they could, they'd not be in this situation. I suspect they've sliced through a nerve in MM's shoulder and they'll have to go back in to attempt a repair. Well, MM obviously felt better on the 2019 (Nakagami's bike). If it was only the aeros, it should be pretty easy to swap the fairings. I wonder if the aero was homologated last year, could they bring it back at any point or do they have to resubmit for approval? I believe it's the latter. Do they follow the same rule as last year where they were able to remove winglets? I would guess that it's a combination of issues. Swing arms and chassis can be updated at any point, but I agree, it's too late to fix if it's an engine issue. I'm not a doctor and don't play one on tv, so I will hold off on any medical diagnosis. Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: kopfjäger on February 25, 2020, 02:17:12 PM https://youtu.be/fb4Ga7bKyn8
Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: Speeddog on February 25, 2020, 07:13:02 PM Well, MM obviously felt better on the 2019 (Nakagami's bike). If it was only the aeros, it should be pretty easy to swap the fairings. I wonder if the aero was homologated last year, could they bring it back at any point or do they have to resubmit for approval? I believe it's the latter. Do they follow the same rule as last year where they were able to remove winglets? I would guess that it's a combination of issues. Swing arms and chassis can be updated at any point, but I agree, it's too late to fix if it's an engine issue. I'm not a doctor and don't play one on tv, so I will hold off on any medical diagnosis. They were swapping fairings amongst the bikes, so they fit well enough for a desperation test. But not necessarily well enough for the whole season, they can't homologate a ziptied fairing attachment. Samples or detailed drawings have to be submitted, so they can't just bodge some crap together. They have to homologate a 2020 fairing at Qatar, it could be 2018 or 2019 or whatever parts, but it would become their 2020A unit. They can homologate 1 more during the season, but that's all, so there's only 2020A and 2020B. No hacking off of winglets allowed, the shape has to remain the same. Each rider can have their own specific bodywork, so MM fairing, AM fairing, CC fairing, etc. But no sharing or swapping. Are Honda still using Showa? There were two issues I read about, one being the 20 bike harder to turn than the19 bike and the second being a total loss of front end feel. The second led to inexplicable crashes with confused riders (reminds me of Ducati in the recent past). Honda are using Ohlins along with everyone else except KTM, who are using WP. Title: Re: Qatar Testing 🇶🇦 Post by: kopfjäger on February 26, 2020, 08:02:04 PM Crank it up!
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