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Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: booger on April 10, 2020, 12:44:22 PM

Title: question for Speeddog
Post by: booger on April 10, 2020, 12:44:22 PM
Dumb question - what part is responsible for transmitting power from the rear sprocket to the rear wheel i.e. what connects the sprocket to the wheel. ?

Reason I'm asking is I'm going to do a 520 chain conversion w/ 2 teeth up on the rear sprocket. I'm getting a quickchange rear with a steel sprocket. While I'm in there I thought why not get a new bling sprocket carrier. I found a nice black ano one on ebay for a reasonable amount.

If this is the part that transmits power to the wheel I'm going to go ahead and stay with the stocker. Thanks
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: RB on April 10, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
I'm not SD....
Are you referring to the cushdrive bushings? If you are doing a replacement of other parts, best to put new ones in while you have it apart.
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: booger on April 10, 2020, 12:59:06 PM
I neglected to state it was for an SSS bike. Dang me! Also perhaps I called the part by the wrong name. It's actually the cover that goes over the sprocket carrier on the outside, the cast silver piece that everybody sells a bling replacement for. It has splines on the inside.

What concerns me is the metallurgy of the reasonably priced bling sprocket carrier cover. I'll be getting the Superlite sprocket carrier from Sprocketcenter in a bundle with a 520 chain and some of those new polyurethane cush drives.
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: Speeddog on April 10, 2020, 02:06:08 PM
Part #5?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49758599762_c1b2ba32a4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iNZQ9s)

Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: booger on April 10, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on April 10, 2020, 02:06:08 PM
Part #5?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49758599762_c1b2ba32a4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iNZQ9s)



Yes sir part 5. The outer flange plate thing. Is the splined interface between it and the hollow axle responsible for translating all the engine torque to the wheel? I'm wondering why that's not made of steel or something. Seems like the awesome Ducati power would strip those splines out first time you crack the throttle. If I were to replace it with a reasonably priced bling part from ebay I'd want to be sure it wasn't responsible for the power transmission at that location because I don't trust "billet" of an unknown composition.
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: PA DL on April 11, 2020, 04:36:22 AM
If you don't trust it, don't buy it  [coffee]
But yes, all the amazing power is going thru those splines.
The original part is cast aluminium so if you get a billet part from a manufacturer with good reputation its probably stronger than the original part. [drink]
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: greenmonster on April 11, 2020, 08:05:49 AM
Sss MTS w 1100 power here, no problemos w quickshift carrier here.
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: Speeddog on April 11, 2020, 08:25:18 AM
I'd call it a hub, Ducati says "Rear sprocket flange".

I've neither seen nor heard of one that's failed, FWIW.

Aftermarket unit will save no significant amount of weight over OEM, nor function any better.
It's only a styling difference.

With a 2-piece carrier/sprocket setup, make sure the aftermarket unit won't foul the fit or function, the profile is usually different from OEM.
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: stopintime on April 11, 2020, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Speeddog on April 11, 2020, 08:25:18 AM
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I've neither seen nor heard of one that's failed, FWIW.
...................

I can help with that.

My first aftermarket flange, an AEM, broke an 'ear' clean off. No support from AEM through Bellissimoto (who didn't even want to contact AEM).

Then two aluminum cush drive nuts split in two. They are now replaced by steel nuts.

Both incidents MIGHT be because of wrong torque values. I don't think so, but it's possible...


My CNC Racing flange has been faithful for about 100,000 km. However, there is now visible movement/freeplay between axle splines and the flange. I replaced the flange with a new CNC part and it took care of ~two thirds of the freeplay. Next on my list is to replace the axle.

I guess one unique advantage to keeping and riding a bike for almost 200,000 is to add knowledge on top of all the rumors....  [Dolph]
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: koko64 on April 11, 2020, 01:06:21 PM
DMF Test Pilot ;D
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: booger on April 12, 2020, 09:23:28 AM
I think I'll just stick with the stock piece.  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: Heath on April 15, 2020, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: stopintime on April 11, 2020, 08:42:47 AM
I can help with that.

My first aftermarket flange, an AEM, broke an 'ear' clean off. No support from AEM through Bellissimoto (who didn't even want to contact AEM).

Then two aluminum cush drive nuts split in two. They are now replaced by steel nuts.

Both incidents MIGHT be because of wrong torque values. I don't think so, but it's possible...


My CNC Racing flange has been faithful for about 100,000 km. However, there is now visible movement/freeplay between axle splines and the flange. I replaced the flange with a new CNC part and it took care of ~two thirds of the freeplay. Next on my list is to replace the axle.

I guess one unique advantage to keeping and riding a bike for almost 200,000 is to add knowledge on top of all the rumors....  [Dolph]
Wait like the the big spoke part broke off on the carrier cover?
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: stopintime on April 15, 2020, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Heath on April 15, 2020, 03:16:44 PM
Wait like the the big spoke part broke off on the carrier cover?

I call it the flange. The outer 'cover' held in place by the left side wheel/axle nut. Has five holes for the cush drive studs. The metal around each hole is what I call 'ears'. They are usually quite creative, maybe so creative that they can't do their job.

Again; with the possibility that I didn't apply the correct torque....
Title: Re: question for Speeddog
Post by: Heath on April 15, 2020, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: stopintime on April 15, 2020, 03:24:20 PM
I call it the flange. The outer 'cover' held in place by the left side wheel/axle nut. Has five holes for the cush drive studs. The metal around each hole is what I call 'ears'. They are usually quite creative, maybe so creative that they can't do their job.

Again; with the possibility that I didn't apply the correct torque....
That is crazy that that could break. I am about to change out my carrier. My current one is a Driven carrier that instead of studs you screw into it. Horrible design because I stripped out one of the treads. I bought a cheap replacement, I hope it holds up haha.

and to tie this into the thread i am still running the Stock carrier flange too... just powdercoated black.