Ducati Monster Forum

https://youtu.be/80rZmm-manI

I'm sure it's a fine bike but the design leaves me cold.

https://youtu.be/T2xwqBmfHT8

Nice FZ6..

Zshefong-Hu 450 (the grey is a little better...)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T3gnzsJr/Zshefong-Hu-450.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

www.yamahamonsterforum.com
www.framewhatframe.com

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Honestly that Sucks

ugh

[sarc on] You guys just need to start rocking your skinny jeans and this Monster makes sense.[/sarc off]

Reality?... [puke]

It looks like a monkey make the beast with two backsing a football...

without the monkey.

I think I just found another reason to attend the WDW 2021  [evil]  (find a designer and beat him up)(in lack of a designer: just a random skinny jeans dude)

It will grow on youz guys, with time. I like it and I don't somehow. They did say they focused on lightening the bike, which is forward movement I suppose. This is important. Nostalgia is what doomed Hardley. FRP rear subframe though? It will be carbon on the upper models and costing 2k.

I wonder what the engine displacement is and also what the model stratum is going to look like. That example they showed in the video - is that the top line? Because I saw what looked to be nonadjustable front shock caps and also check out that ground clearance! Just has the appearance of needing more engine somehow.

Trellis is gone. Hang onto your classics gentlemen.

It's just bland.

I'm sure it's a great bike and it sounds like a very light little package, but it's just so meh.

https://www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/monster/monster

I'm wondering how bad the ugly side looks

Not that I’m in the market for a new scoot, but...  It’s ok.  Looks fine in YOUR garage.  I’m sure it’s all that the specs say it is.  I think part of the nostalgia of the older Monsters was that they weren’t so perfect.  Hence, we all built them how we wanted...

Anyways.  The evolution of the company is heading...well...somewhere. [shrug]

My guess is this is the replacement for the 821 and the bigger to come at a later date.  Anyway, good engineering I guess.  Me like?   [puke]

I feel like I'm looking at a Triumph Speed Triple from 2005

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Looks like if you want a Monster, you'll have to buy either a Suzuki SV650 or a Brutale.

(https://cdp.azureedge.net/products/USA/SU/2020/MC/STREETSTD/SV650/50/SILVER/2000000001.jpg)

(https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/b4yPazdk5fiV8FLtO9Riy3cWd_g=/1200x628/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bonnier.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5YO2CBJDWVEM5TTFSA3TKPJKHY.jpg)

(https://cdp.azureedge.net/products/USA/MA/2019/MC/SPORT/BRUTALE_800_RC/50/REPARTO_CORSE_RED_-_WHITE_-_GREEN/2000000004.jpg)

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I love the frame on my 05 Speed Triple.

The frames are cool. I wasn't really commenting on the frame. More the fact that from the top of the tank to the bottom of the engine case just melds into one solid mass.

Well, so much for lusting for a new Monster for the foreseeable future.....  :P

Rehab an old one. They need love too.

^Yep, I should really put mine back in order. Needs a rear shock and if I was really smart I'd put a different engine in it (it has about 77k miles on it but still runs strong). Told this story here before but many years ago a friend of mine looped it and broke off the kickstand where it bolts into the engine. I've had it welded a few times but it never holds up for long. Also have cracks on both sides of the trellis frame so I could have those re-welded while putting in a new engine.

Honestly, it looks like a Chinese copy. Headlight is good, however . The broken back line of the tank and frame is very bad and the blocked out motor and angular shapes don't speak Italian or Ducati Monster. A very generic Japanese, Korean or Chinese design. Any connection to the historic design is lost. The lack of respect for the history is a serious error.

I think we have discussed how the Scrambler is the new Monster.

So glad I have an Evo.

 [puke] [puke] [puke]

That's just terrible. To be honest though? I haven't liked the Monster design for a while now. Certainly wouldn't buy any of the recent models. If I were in the market for a new Ducati, I would be looking at the scrambler for sure.

But I'm not. Instead, my 2006 s2r1k is getting new suspension and a big bore kit for its 14th birthday.  [Dolph] [Dolph]

 :o

 [drool]

If I was looking to replace a first generation Monster it would be a Triumph Thruxton.

I'm kind of getting that feeling meself. I understand technology marches on, I got that... but I think the Monster should have the Trellis frame, even if it's a half-frame like my '13 has.  I'm not really a big fan of water-cooled Monsters, either, but I know that's dead because of stupid emissions.

*Goes out to garage and hugs, air-cooled, 2v, Desmo, SSS, high-pipe 796 Monster, and whispers sweet nothings into it's air intake...*

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Also on my list of "if i had to..."

There are still good preowned Monsters out there. Everybody should get out and adopt another one, as two is one and one is none. Me, I want to find a 620 with an aluminum swingarm and twin goldlines from the factory. Pull it apart, do it up in a concrete gray w/ red trellis color scheme, black stripe down the shiny side. Try to find some Senna wheels for it. Cartridge fork upgrade, rear Penske 8987.

Approved. Do it!

I kick myself for selling my '94 all the time.  :P

Yeah I wish I still had my 2000.

We're in a club I guess. Sold Moto Regrets.

I have a '96 you could buy. :-*

Here is the grown up version of your project 620, Penske shock and all!  [laugh]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/112143703@N07/50682113838/in/dateposted-public/

I'm signing up to the Honda forum.  make the beast with two backs you Ducrapi.

 [beer] [clap] [beer] [clap]

 [laugh] [beer] [clap]

Do not like the new one.
It is too standard


Shake’n bake

Yeah that's nice. Super clean example.

Thank you. She’s basically a track bike as I am not comfortable on the streets with the high level of “distracted” drivers these days.

Every once in a while, I’ll look at track focused bikes, but when I pull the cover off and look at this aging Italian supermodel, I just can’t do it. I’m getting older and less reckless so she has become a perfect track bike slash garage queen.  [Dolph]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/112143703@N07/14930810490/

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/2021-ducati-monster-first-look/

They need to call it something else. I really don't feel it deserves the name "Monster" :'(

Abomination?

Send it my way, I seem to have a tendency to take in project bikes I don't really need....  ;D

Yes.


I was gonna hit him up but the ssfe showed up in my garage.

All that needs to happen is for a check to show up in the mail.

It doesn't come with the flatslides...unless the check is appropriately sized. :-*

I put flat slides on the ss. It better have been worth it. Those things were not fun to install.

https://www.cyclenews.com/2020/12/article/2021-ducati-monster-first-look/

I agree.  I also feel the same way about something like the new mid-engine Corvette... call it something else, please.

Yamaha maybe? Kawasaki....

..zactly.

It's so disconnected from the Monster style that it makes my Evo look classic. The M1200 is still distinctly a Monster in style. Surely an Italian did not design it?

It's funny how every time they change the styling like when they dropped the trellis subframe all us oldtimers pregnant dog and complain.  :)

make the beast with two backsing skinny jeans mothermake the beast with two backsers.

 [laugh] [clap].

The newer styles kept some trellis and a distinctly Monster tank shape with modern interpretation. This is a different, divergent style and not an evolution of a theme. The connection is gone from a style perspective making it unrecognizable. I doubt an Italian designed this and if they did they were over ruled on so many aspects. The bike first appeared in Germany during testing which I think is significant.

Designed by their finest accountants maybe...

Can't disagree with that.
But you know in 3 or 4 years from now people will be on this site that own them and raving about how cool they are. And how much soul they have. Know what I mean?

Well the L twin has soul, that's for sure, but I fear the bike has lost it's identity. My hipster customers like the older Monsters for style and like the history, they dont want a regular bike. Ducatis should not look so generic. The 2021 Monster will be viewed historically like the 999 imo.

I was just about to bring up the 999. Good thing I read all the comments to the end here. I remember when that bike came out I didn't care for the look very much and the Ducati community seemed to despise it. After the 999 the 1098 design brought things back closer to the 996 that we know and love.

Since then I feel like the Ducati community has grown to accept the 999 the same as I did. I did own one after all.

That being said. I would be surprised if the Ducati community ever fully accepted this current design of the "Monster"

You make a good point. The 999, although not stunningly beautiful like its sister's, gained acceptance by achieving what it was born to do. [thumbsup].
In race trim they look pretty good.

I thought the 999/749 was a badass piece of kit right from the jump. I can’t say the same for the Monster.  [thumbsdown]

I think the 999 model was completely overshadowed by the beauty of the 916 line. Tough act to follow...

I wonder how the hell they make such important decisions. Seems random. The 999 was obviously (?) designed to break away from the 916 design which would have held them back, sooner or later... 

Fast forward to this Monster, designed to be a modern version of Galuzzi's master piece...

How hard can it be? Use all the designers they have on their contact list. Let them drink and play for weeks. Old and young. Have them fight it out. Make a proper drawing. Maybe even a clay model. More drinking and fighting. Show it to the target group. Double check with us old farts.

Quality decision.

Maybe Ducati has the same "never go back" attitude that Toyota has?

For better or worse.

Vorsprung durch Technik.

Hey at least it's still a parts bin bike right?  [laugh]

still runs on petrol

After seeing this, I’m extremely disappointed the ‘03 and ‘10 aren’t in the stable anymore. Should’ve picked up the used 1200M that was at Newport about 2 months ago. Guess I’ll stick with the Scrambler until I find a Dark SF. 

SheMonster had a Dark 749.  That bike was so sexy (well, the rider enhanced it a bit too). 
I would still take one though over some of these newer Duc models.

Hi all...it's been a (long) while since I have posted on here.  I'm still racking up miles on my '08 S2R1K and I bought a 2012 1098S Streetfighter a couple of years ago that is a blast to ride (my local Ducati dealer owner  calls it a "Street Thug"  [evil])

As for the 2021 Monster, to put it simply, it looks like ass and is an insult to the Monster legacy.  It's just so weird; trellis frames are appearing on Japanese bikes and the Indian FTR while this new Monster looks like a Yamaha.  Just pitiful.

If there is anyone in the Hampton Roads/Richmond area who wants to get together for a ride when the weather warms up, just let me know.  I hope all of you are safe and well, and all the best for the new year!

https://manofmany.com/rides/motorcycles/ducati-monster-2021

Hi everyone. It has been many years since I have been active on here. Fell in love with monsters back in 2001 and bought my first street bike, a 2001 m750 20 years ago. Loved it, rode it for quite some time, then upgraded to an 04’ s4r. Had a few others since then. Just purchased a new-to-me 2018 monster 1200r. I felt like it held faithful to the monster that I fell in love with from the start. The 2021 monster looks just blah. Plain, unremarkable, forgettable, boring, bland. There is nothing that excites me. I have been admiring the same basic design concepts on the monster for 20 years. It still looks striking and beautiful. Until this point felt Ducati had done a great job of simply refining the original. Now? I have no desire to own the new design and am extremely satisfied with my purchase of the 2018 model.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMuarU1INOt/?igshid=13t9jk5wmhpkx

Nice Hyosung..

Makes my desmoquattro S4R look like a fooking' work of art!  [Dolph]

But your bike is a work of art already [Dolph]

This Monster refresh seems a bit like the BMW M4 refresh to me (buck teeth). Both vehicles are extremely important to their respective manufacturers, i.e. their most important models. Some like it, most don't, and the crow eating commences and we get a "midcycle refresh" in a couple of years that removes the offending whatever. Happened that way with the BMW Chris Bangle "flame surfacing" of the mid to late 00s.

Where the similarity ends however is Ducati will tell us to go pound sand and this is what the Monster is going forward like it or not. So shut up and eat your beans and rice and be grateful LOL

Let's be honest, Ducati isn't marketing to us. 

I'm not in the market for a new Monster.  Who here likes some other Monster better than the Monster they own?   We all seem to land on The One and all others are heresy.  I well remember the outcry from the old guard when the 'new' Monster of 2008 appeared with it's abbreviated trellis frame.  "Not a proper Monster"... was the outcry.

Those of us who fell in love with the new Not a Proper Monster could only see how gorgeous it is.  My 2009 M1100s is still to me the most beautiful of all of the Monsters before or since.  Other bikes will come and go, but my Monster is a forever keeper.  I suspect many of us here feel that way about our Monsters, whichever Monster it is/was that we fell in love with.

Some new folks will no doubt fall in love with the current new Monster.... and may even join our ranks here.  But my guess is that the current new Monster will be a bike that some folk think is cool and capable and they'll keep it for a while..... before trading it on the next cool and capable offering from Ducati or some other manufacturer. 

You see, building 'keeper' bikes is bad for business.

All that said, it is hideously bland this new KawaHonda Monster though.  They can keep it.

Gesundheit

Ducati:  Hey MV, can i copy your homework?
MV:  Uh. Sure.
(https://www.mvagusta.com/images/main/brutale-xl.png)

Ducati:  Is this right? 
(https://www.cyclenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/MY21_DUCATI_MONSTER_PLUS_AMBIENCE-_4__UC214574_Mid.jpg)

MV:  Uh..  Sort of.  well.  I guess...

Yep. [laugh] The bike does look like a Chinese copy of the MV.
It's a poor effort imo. I doubt it will sell because hipsters will go for the Scrambler line and people with real money can go for everything else.
The issue for me is the loss of family continuity, but having visited the dealer yesterday, maybe they feel the Monster line was too close to the Scramblers and wanted to diverge. It's as if the Monster got squeezed out from between the Scrambler and the Streetfighter.

I think my 1994 M900 was the most beautiful Monster I have owned. There are styling aspects I dislike about my Evo, e.g., the "weak jaw line" headlight, its "monkey hat" cowl, the "cartoon character" tank cover and I might change them, but I bought it for its engine. At least I can see the family lineage when it's parked next to my 1st gen M750, people often saying they see how I have an "old and a new one". I don't think they would make that connection with the '21 model.

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/reviews/2021-ducati-monster-review/

Yeah, probably a really good bike.  Thing is most of us didn't buy Monsters because they were really good bikes.  We bought them because we like them.  If I was still riding and looking to buy a replacement for the Monster it would be a Thruxton.

What Coco said.

I like my '13 796 for the engine and the handling... and as an aesthetic aside, the high pipes under the seat.  I miss the full Trellis... but at least it has half a Trellis.

I understand technology moves on... water cooling, for example, is a result of tech (and emissions...  [roll] ) but Ducati has gone completely off the reservation with the new 'Monster.'

Was at my dealer picking up the new fan for my Panigale and he was just starting to uncrate a new Monster.

Both his part time mechanic and I agreed that it was decidedly "OK" looking. Like something Kawasaki or Yamaha had made.
I don't hate it but I also don't love it. Definitely not like my M900i.e.