Ducati Monster Forum

Right, so my TPO kit showed up and i really want to put it on but they want you to have it re-tuned @ the dealer if you have aftermarket exhaust, i do, Sil-Moto.  The thing is, soon i'll be taking off the cans and running baffled straight pipes.  Can i do the Pods now without leaning out the engine too much and wait to get it tuned after i ditch the cans? And if i do its about a 45 min. ride to the dealer (who have already pissed me off but there are no other Duc dealers close)  Or should i get a PCIII and try to tune it myself?  I've checked their website and there are no maps even close to my app.  Argh, i think i'm talking in circles and not making my point...OK, how lean will my bike run if i install pods and don't get it tuned. I really hate my dealer- 2.5 weeks when they said 2 days for a 6K service?  I understand delays but you could call!. 

Word on the street is S2R800s arent as lean as the other monsters. So could you run straight pipes and TPO beast kit without a tune? probably not. thats too much of a change. btw, what straight pipes are you going to run (im going down the same route and have the exact same issues as you right now)?

If you run a PCIII, you can try to get the closest map, which probably doesnt exist. Maybe a S2R800 with full termis and open airbox would work. But ideally youd still want to dyno tune it. The TPO beast can pull much more air at the upper RPM range than an open airbox can and since you probably have no idea how much restriction there is on your striaght pipes, you really have no clue how everything will go together until it happens. I dont even think your stock ECU can be adjusted to such a change.

the Sil motos, are slip ons? or did you get a header pipe too? I ask, because the majority of the backpressure on your exhaust is provided by your udder not your mufflers. If they are just slip ons, throw the TPO in and see how it runs, it might not be too bad. If you have new header pipes, then i dont think it will run too good.

In my situation, i want to run straight boomtubes. I have an open airbox right now (necessity because i have no where to put my dual HID ballasts) and if i run the pipes, i know the engine will end up being super lean. I cant afford a DPECU, and PCIII does not work with my bike. Only option is an RB3 unit, which im still unsure of its status since it kinda works and kinda doesnt.

Ik went from airbox/K&N to Podfilters on my M900Sie and did a before and after Dyno and there was no difference in Air/fuell
And for bikes that are running a bit lean you could always get a http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-996-916-748-749-CORSA-RACING-FUEL-REGULATOR-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em124QQcategoryZ35620QQihZ012QQitemZ220259549248QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD4V

I have one and i can tune it from a 12 Air fuel to  15

Sorry, should have mentioned in the first post, I have the DP ECU and I think the DP header pipe, without O2 sensors or cat.  My plan is to remove the cans and shove some slip-in baffles into the pipes, which will probable be a crapshoot on noise reduction and backpressure. 
Do I need to have a tuneable ECU to get the most out of a Dyno tune? Is the DP ECU considered "tune-able"?  I don't think my dealer has a dyno.  I could probably find a dyno in St. Louis, though. 

Anybody have any input?

DP ecu is only marginally tuneable. you cant change the map. you'd still need a PCIII. Someone has already done what you did. They used a header pipe (not sure what brand) and instead of connecting an S pipe to mufflers, they ran 12 inch tips with baffels.  Your best bet would be dyno run unless you can get your system to mimic that of an exisiting system (which is a long shot) and use that map.

Yep the PCIII site doesn't have a lot of choice when it comes to the S2R fuel maps, the "canned" version I installed has made a noticeable difference, but like you I'm gonna have to go the dyno-tune route.

I dont want to go PCIII (that requires me to get a DPECU) i want to get an RB3 unit, but i have to talk to my mechanic guy to make sure that thing will work. Alternatively there is the Hypermoatard DPECU unit for $600. If i go that route, i can do a PCIII.

The great thing about RB3 is, with the software, you can adjust the fueling yourself. but youd be at the mercy of a butt dyno

edit: jsut want to make sure, you have the PCIII option without a DPECU, so taht would be the best choice for you

I used a PCIII. You can customize a map. This option will give you the most flexability and the best resaults. You can add or delete options of equipment and always change the map.

Thanks for the input guys, looks like i'll be looking for a PCIII and a Dyno in St. Louis...

if you're getting boomtubes, i have a feeling motocreations is going to have pcIII maps for us ;D

Sorry to highjack this thread, but I have a related question. I have ordered a full Arrow exhaust kit, a K&N filter and a PCIII. I was under the impression that those are the only parts I would need (and a Dyno-tune of course). Is that correct or will I also have to replace the ECU?

Thank you and please return to your current thread. :)

Where are you located?  I've looked around St. Louis to try and find someone with a decent dyno setup and no one so far has been impressive.  I checked Donnelson (where I bought the bike) and the guy would not stop plugging the DP/Termi system.  He wouldn't even give me a straight answer on a custom Dyno tune.  Per Luke on the board here, I guess there's a pretty decent tuner up in Milwaukee that I may make a road trip to visit sometime next year. 

I'm planning on doing the same thing with the pod filters and custom straight pipes (similar to boom tubes, but with a bit more baffle and slightly different angle on the pipes.  There's a guy here in Columbia who was 6 time National tuning champ and is actually working on building up a frankenbike of a Monster.  He wasn't too keen on strait pipes on my bike, but he was definitely enthusiastic about playing with the PCIII.  Let me know if you  need any more "midwest" info. 

The PCIII simply bypasses the ECU and takes it out of the equationj, you don't have to uninstall it or buy a new one.  Word on the street is that it's pretty easy to install as well (within the 20 min mark). 

I'm in South County,  i didn't realize Donnelson had a Dyno, but as they have recently pissed me off i'm not keen to take my bike back there.  The shitty part is, i don't think we have a lot of choice (no other good Duc service in the area)  I wouldn't be opposed to riding to Colombia for a tune if this guy would do it.  Did he give you a reason against the straight pipes?

Well, the way I have them run (just like the boom tubes) the rear cylinder exhaust is much shorter than the front, so he's going to baffle down the rear pipe as much as he can just so the back pressure is a bit closer to equal between the two.  I think that when I told him what I was doing he was thinking I was doing it more as a performance upgrade when it's more aesthetic and just a touch performance oriented.  Either way, I'm sure it's doable, but I'm leaning more towards heading up to Milwaukee as the guys at Corse come recommended (thanks Luke).

I agree with you on Donnelsons to an extent.  Since I have my own Duc shop here I'm not over there too much, but they seem a bit more oriented towards the business side of things as opposed to customer service.  I kind of assumed they had a dyno.  Maybe that's why the guy was plugging the Termi set so hard  :).  I've only had the bike since May, but so far Alan at Jones Power Sports has been amazing in taking care of my girl.  Speaking of which, I have my valve shim appt. in the morning.

I'll talk to Dave to see what he's looking at as far as cost goes for a tune, but just to warn you, he tunes by ear and by ass.  No dyno for this kind of shop, but he really is that good.

P.S. - let me know if you're over this way.  Amazing twisties.  Plus, if you're anywhere near 270 or 55, it's just a hop, skip and a jump over here.