Ducati Monster Forum

Bad news, the issues with the starter sprag has led to a discovery that my output shaft needs to be reshimmed; this may be the end of my bike as it may well cost significantly more to fix than it is worth.  :'(

I know there are a lot of guys here who will say "Well just pull the motor apart and fix it" but I am afraid I have neither the knowledge or the capabilities to tackle that task.

Here is the worst part for me, several years ago I came across a low mileage, complete motor and ALMOST bought it just to have handy. It sure would be nice to have it now.....  [bang] [bang]

I did find an appropriate motor for sell on Ebay, but it is located in the Ukraine; and the Russians seem to be knocking on their door!

No decisions have been made as of yet and I'll keep you posted.

Any suggestions are welcomed.

FWIW, I don't want a new bike..........I want my bike back!

Mark

I was in the same boat several years ago with my 996 track bike. I bought a used recently built 853 motor, as opposed to having my motor rebuilt, due to the apparent cost savings. Turns out cheap was expensive. I missed a shift, and the built motor bent every valve on one head. By the time I was done I ended up spending thousands of dollars more by cheaping out.

My advice would be to have your motor gone through by a competent shop. If you don't have one you trust with the job, I can make recommendations, but you'd have to ship your lump.

Spend more money? Other people's money?  8) Yoohooo

For probably less money, you can look for a 1000 engine. Mild tune = port & polish plus air box and Dyno = as much/more power that you recently had. However the rebuild project will probably be even better.

Anyone know if the S2R (800) motor fits into the older 800 dual swingarm models? I'd love to get mine back on the road.

Yes it will. Use the M800 exhaust.

Mark, maybe check with Used Ducati Parts... they are on FB as well as being reached at 407-347-3498 (Florida)  They always get in stuff like yours... either the motor pretzled, or the frame was bent... which seems to be the only way a Ducati seems to die.... but very often they have an entire motor available.  Might get lucky.

Make sure to get a second opinion inspection.

Also in line with DP's advice, a repair may cost more than the bikes value, but less than a reliable, trustworthy replacement.

Various markets give a context. Thats why Ducatis only die by being totalled.  I still have my old 4x4 pick up which I put small money into every third year because a 30 grand replacement won't be new and potentially needing another 10k of work and a new one is 50-60 grand.

Just to explain...you can undoubtedly buy a used motor for less, but will it work out in the long run?

Dude likes his bike...   ;D

Zakly, assuming the rest of the bike is in good condition.

So you're saying that GENERALLY speaking while it may cost a bit more, better to get my engine fixed properly as opposed to purchasing an unknown different motor?

I'll head up to the dealership today and get the actual quote then I can start looking around a bit to weight options. I am not going to have them do anything at this point.

What is the likelihood that the engine eventually gets cracked open and other issues are found? I know that no one will know until it is opened, I am just wondering if this particular engine has any other common issues that may need to be addressed.....

I appreciate everyone chiming in, thank you!

It has been a dark couple of days around here.

Mark

That's a very real possibility. On the 996 motor that went south, the main issue was a bad left side main bearing. Once inside there were all kinds of other issues. That's what pushed me to a less expensive used motor.

Was a bad decision, in my case. Would have been less in the long run to go with a full rebuild of the 996.

Did an M900 engine swap, but the replacement motor and its history were well known to me. A low mileage motor with good compression and whose oil told a good story wouldnt worry me, but I would want to trust its history and supplier. With a replacement motor, I would be checking it over on the stand before installation and refreshing the heads if required, examining the clutch, timing case components, etc. That's time and money.
How much of the work would you do yourself?
In the case of a motor rebuild, my feeling is to use a trusted, independent operator, even if it means shipping the motor or bike to them.

From the dealer, rebuilding my lower end, replacing the starter sprag and performing regular desmo service I am looking at $5400 (US).

I am picking the bike up until I decide what to do.

If I am going to look around for a new motor is there somewhere I should be looking other than Ebay? This is something that is a bit outside of my SOP.....

I know Dennis mentioned Used Ducati Parts, anyone else I should look into?

Mark

VERY reputable Dutch Ducati builder/tuner Biggelaar did a very complete rebuild job (while replacing cracked cases) - blue printing in other words. Refresh heads. Starter sprag (!). New output shat. New bearings all around. Engine out + in. The whole job - everything. Roughly $2,000. One of the experts AND good guys in the US can't be that much more expensive (?), but even if they are - it's still around half of the dealer offer.

Too much money!  I would either send the engine to Eric at http://www.clubhousemotorsports.com or find a good local independent.

Done by same dealer as you got the repair price from?
Get a second opinion before any decision.

5400 is usury, no other word for it, from someone who don't want to do it.
Unless you shell up ridiculous money for the job.

I must admit, Mark... that price seems a little out there.  Was that Dallas or Plano?

If it makes sense to buy used, you could try a guy named Ed Milich at www.ducpower.com and see if he has what you're lookin' for.

Yeah, $5400 sounds ........ um, unreasonable   

Good luck!

Kind of makes me wonder if they aren't trying to sell you a new bike...   ;D

Dennis, it is the Plano shop.

Now keep in mind that the $5400 includes needed Desmo service which is priced at about $1500 itself. So realistically they want $3900 to pull the motor, fix the output shaft, change the started sprag (no additional labor for that since it'll already be apart) button it up and reinstall the engine.

I am picking it up this week, "as is" and I'll keep exploring options.

Howie, the guy you recommended (New Hampshire) is a HELL of a long way from Texas! Given the current state of freight companies lost materials I don't know that there is any way I'd ever trust them with my bike or engine. Do you have any suggestions closer to me?

Diamond, I'll take a look at what Ed has to offer, thank you!

Mark

Well... my first and only visit there was not a good one.  They couldn't (wouldn't?) even give me a ballpark quote for a 2v air-cooled Desmo service...  [roll]  Granted, I was dressed like a pool guy, not a swaggering ATGATT Euro rider... so maybe there was a language barrier.

1500- for a service w motor already out is also too much. Like 2 hours work and parts, belts and a shim or 2.

Mark,

He's worth the trip. That would be my recommendation, as well.

Just a quick update:

I spoke with Eric at Clubhouse and LONG conversation short, he is not surprised by the price. He seems to feel it is about what I would expect to spend given the work needed. He actually expects it'll be a bit higher. He said there is no cost benefit to sending my motor to him. Use someone locally who I trust was his advice.

So I am going to get another opinion the see if any of the local mechanics do work outside "business" hours.

Then there is this; there is an '09 M1100S (mine isn't an "S") for sale locally for $6400. I am not in a position to even call the seller at this point, just something else to think about.

Mark

In the meantime, if you need a fix, I'll loan you my 796...   [Dolph]

I don't know, is $6400 for a 12 year old Monster a fair price?

I think $6400 is too much, I wouldn't spend that. But I am not in a position to buy right now so I am not going to call the guy and haggle with him.

I was just point out that it was out there.

And I still have my solidly running TU250............

Mark

Gentleman's way to deal with difficult issues  [thumbsup]

Nothing has happened with my bike yet, life is getting in the way. But I did go out and shoot this clip; what is the collective thought on this? And you like "Holy shit that is BAD!" of, "Yeah, stuff needs to be fixed."?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/51893085058_dec5ba30f8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n4BCg5)20220219_162500 (https://flic.kr/p/2n4BCg5) by Mark Hanis (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190469199@N06/), on Flickr

Mark

Seems the input shaft bearing is toast. There is a spacer in there that could give the same symptom, but I'd think if it were bad you'd have an oil leak.

You need to make a decision...fix it, or swap it, or off it and move on.