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Title: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on October 29, 2023, 04:03:51 PM
Have an 09 1100s, to my understanding the engine is modified 1099. Hit a patch of ice and need flywheel cover. Are there other models I can pull it from
Thanks in advance


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Dirty Duc on October 29, 2023, 06:20:17 PM
The left hand case? That holds the water pump (on water-cooled bikes) and alternator? Less interchangeable than you'd hope.

Waterpumps, different stator sizes, different cam gears with different sensor locations. Some flywheels don't fit in some cases.


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: koko64 on October 29, 2023, 09:59:11 PM
So 1100 DS motors, Monster, Multi and Hyper. Not sure on the Evo Monster and  Evo Hyper as they had lighter alternators, but maybe.


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: stopintime on October 30, 2023, 01:23:56 AM
I usually find this by googling "ducati" plus part number.


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on October 30, 2023, 09:17:39 AM
I tried a search, comes up with 3 solid part numbers, but no details
Yeah it’s the air cooled evo


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on October 30, 2023, 09:18:39 AM
The left hand case? That holds the water pump (on water-cooled bikes) and alternator? Less interchangeable than you'd hope.

Waterpumps, different stator sizes, different cam gears with different sensor locations. Some flywheels don't fit in some cases.

Air cooled, generator cover


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Dirty Duc on October 30, 2023, 01:11:57 PM
I believe you need an evo cover. I think the evos were the ones with the different cam gears and crank sensor position.

Most bikes had a single gap in cam teeth, evo had two. Somebody on here swapped to an evo, and it was a whole thing getting it running and tuned. Username was He-man?


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: stopintime on October 30, 2023, 02:14:58 PM
To put an Evo engine in his S2R1000, IIRC, he switched to a gear from an 848 (the gear with one sensor position)(hole?)

The Evo was (again, IIRC) the first bike they used the vacum casting method on. More uniform density allows less metal. Same concern as when you bake a cake. If you ever bake cakes. Thinner and lighter engines. Not the best idea for an air cooled, 2 valve tractor engine, but they managed to lighten and tune it to 100 "calculated"/claimed bhp. I challenge you to find a survivor in good condition.

https://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=59229.0


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on November 01, 2023, 08:08:03 AM
I’m just looking to replace cover, was wondering if my other models used same eco engine that I might be able to use cover. Having a very difficult time finding one.
Thanks all for input


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on November 01, 2023, 08:12:35 AM
 [cheeky]
To put an Evo engine in his S2R1000, IIRC, he switched to a gear from an 848 (the gear with one sensor position)(hole?)

The Evo was (again, IIRC) the first bike they used the vacum casting method on. More uniform density allows less metal. Same concern as when you bake a cake. If you ever bake cakes. Thinner and lighter engines. Not the best idea for an air cooled, 2 valve tractor engine, but they managed to lighten and tune it to 100 "calculated"/claimed bhp. I challenge you to find a survivor in good condition.

https://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=59229.0

 [bang], yup, think I got the last one  [cheeky]. Only 4k miles on her though. Going to buy a new one, oh the joy


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on November 01, 2023, 08:28:21 AM
So far with only current part number 24221201AC, hypermotard shares same cover, unfortunately the only part number is the gold color  [bang]


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: koko64 on November 01, 2023, 02:12:53 PM
What about a Multi1100?


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on November 02, 2023, 07:36:16 AM
What about a Multi1100?

Not an evo, just getting a new one, got the right part #. Will order when I get back from Cambodia in mid January


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: koko64 on November 02, 2023, 09:33:04 AM
Your bike is an M1100S with dual spark?


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on November 03, 2023, 07:24:32 AM
Your bike is an M1100S with dual spark?
Yup


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: koko64 on November 03, 2023, 05:59:25 PM
I was of the view that the M1100/S DS motor has more in common with the other 1100DS motors than with the 1100Evo, particularly on the timing side. The Evo motor has a different alternator and timing/primary gears and a lighter crank assembly. The timing cases may be the same bar colours but I haven't compared them side by side. The Evo alternator has rare earth components and is smaller, but I don't know if the case cavity is different to match it or if they just used the previous cases.


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Dirty Duc on November 04, 2023, 06:15:54 PM
I'm fairly certain he man's problems came from a case to gear mismatch.

There was no program that could deal with the crank sensor being in the wrong place.

Everything about stator size still applies.


Title: Re: 1100s 2009 parts cross over
Post by: Pinion on November 12, 2023, 05:13:59 PM
The man’s problems came from hitting ice in a horseshoe turn and needing a new generator side cover. Was looking for possible other models that might have crossover. Will be ordering new one when I return from my trip mid January


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