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Title: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 05:19:05 AM
Gettin' serious here... Popped the sidestand off the 1098 for track days.
Is there an easy way to bypass the switch?
Anyone know which wires to jump??

Grazie Mille


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Dallas 1098 on May 14, 2008, 05:23:40 AM
Gettin' serious here... Popped the sidestand off the 1098 for track days.
Is there an easy way to bypass the switch?
Anyone know which wires to jump??

Grazie Mille
Scott,

Those switches normally work on the ground side. If no one knows which specific wires, we can test them Sunday with a volt / ohm meter.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 05:28:11 AM
Scott,

Those switches normally work on the ground side. If no one knows which specific wires, we can test them Sunday with a volt / ohm meter.

Thanks Jeff-

The switch is orientated horizontally, so all three contacts are parallel to the ground!


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 14, 2008, 05:29:36 AM
Thanks Jeff-

The switch is orientated horizontally, so all three contacts are parallel to the ground!

unless the sidestands are now somehow technologically advanced...you can use a paperclip.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: hiero on May 14, 2008, 05:33:28 AM
all the previous switches had three contacts, but only two wires, take another look and see what you got...


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 05:39:04 AM
unless the sidestands are now somehow technologically advanced...you can use a paperclip.

Thanks, man... I'll swing by AMS & pick one up. Do you have the DP part number?!?!?!?!?


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 14, 2008, 06:59:58 AM
Thanks, man... I'll swing by AMS & pick one up. Do you have the DP part number?!?!?!?!?

i think you can get in touch with office depot for that...but they only have the appropriate clips that you need at the italy locations, unfortunately.  luckily, they're only $.99!  it'll just take four weeks to be shipped here..   :-\


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: RichD on May 14, 2008, 07:30:07 AM
Gettin' serious here... Popped the sidestand off the 1098 for track days.
Is there an easy way to bypass the switch?
Anyone know which wires to jump??

Grazie Mille

You can just unscrew the switch from the sidestand, turn it (like a knob) where the center would be if it was still attached and the kickstand "up"... run a zip-tie through the middle (to ensure it doen't rotate/vibrate) and tie it up.
That way you have not unhooked anything.
I think it is a 6mm or 8mm screw in the middle of the kickstand to remove it.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 07:36:17 AM
Thanks man, good suggestion  [thumbsup]

But I want the d@mn thang GONE!!!!!!


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: James.M on May 14, 2008, 09:22:21 AM
what I did on my race bike was, split the cable and made them contact each other... just continued the circuit.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 09:32:54 AM
Thanks James. I just thought, well, if someone ever wanted to hook that switch back up...


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Dallas 1098 on May 14, 2008, 09:43:15 AM
what I did on my race bike was, split the cable and made them contact each other... just continued the circuit.
James,

Do you remember if you had two ot three wires?  Did you connect the Green and black wire together? That is my guess but I have not put a meter on the harness to check it.  The circuit is normally open and the sidestand contacts and closes the circuit, basically grounding it.  My only concernis that the Neutral indicator light on the dash is also part of this circuit. There could be a potential current draw, unless a diode is put in-line on tne Neutral indicator light wire, which I am guessing is the third wire in the harness.  Again, I have not confirmed this witha meter... yet.
Jeff


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: BarneePhife on May 14, 2008, 09:43:44 AM
Thanks James. I just thought, well, if someone ever wanted to hook that switch back up...

Yeah, you better take care of my next bike.  [moto]


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: James.M on May 14, 2008, 09:50:18 AM
Thanks James. I just thought, well, if someone ever wanted to hook that switch back up...
you can always un-twist the wires, I cut 1/3 into the wire so if I needed to put it back to the kick stand you can... just had electrical tape on it.

James,

Do you remember if you had two ot three wires?  Did you connect the Green and black wire together? That is my guess but I have not put a meter on the harness to check it.  The circuit is normally open and the sidestand contacts and closes the circuit, basically grounding it.  My only concernis that the Neutral indicator light on the dash is also part of this circuit. There could be a potential current draw, unless a diode is put in-line on tne Neutral indicator light wire, which I am guessing is the third wire in the harness.  Again, I have not confirmed this witha meter... yet.
Jeff
Yes its 2, green and black, just splice and tie-together... there wont be any issues, no groups, no potential current draw, nada... I can show ya on monday if need be, but its not necessary to even do this for a track day... the kickstand doesn't fall or anything...



Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: RichD on May 14, 2008, 09:59:15 AM
...I can show ya on monday if need be, but its not necessary to even do this for a track day... the kickstand doesn't fall or anything...

True that.
If you drag the kickstand in a turn on a 1098 your going to scrape the paint on your helmet too.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Dallas 1098 on May 14, 2008, 09:59:35 AM
Cool. So Scott, I would think you can unplug at the sidestand and put a jumper (read paperclip) in the two contacts and be good to go.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 10:03:46 AM
Yes its 2, green and black, just splice and tie-together... there wont be any issues, no groups, no potential current draw, nada...

Kewl! Gonna go test it now  ;D


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 14, 2008, 10:12:22 AM
Kewl! Gonna go test it now  ;D

don't electrocute yourself....would be a shame to have to find a home for alllll those toys...   :'(


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: James.M on May 14, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
Cool. So Scott, I would think you can unplug at the sidestand and put a jumper (read paperclip) in the two contacts and be good to go.
while I would almost think this would pass, just the thought of that alone scares me... lol...

you could also just get an extra female plug-in side and have a spare already cut one and a normal one... not to mention if you do take the kick stand off, its a pain in the ass getting off the bike and dealing with a stand all the time... at least for me on race days... I also make sure I bring a buddy or something...


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: bryant8 on May 14, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
Baxley Wheel Chock would cure that James.  Ride into the chock then use the stand  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 10:31:43 AM
Holy CRAP, Batman... I had already taken the kickstand off, & I had also unplugged the switch cable. I had just assumed it wouldn't work I know, never assume). I hit the switch & it started right up, no paper clip or anything!!!
(There's only 2 wires from the bike to the connector, but 3 wires to the switch. WTF?)

So, never mind....

Outlook Good  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: James.M on May 14, 2008, 11:31:55 AM
Holy CRAP, Batman... I had already taken the kickstand off, & I had also unplugged the switch cable. I had just assumed it wouldn't work I know, never assume). I hit the switch & it started right up, no paper clip or anything!!!
(There's only 2 wires from the bike to the connector, but 3 wires to the switch. WTF?)

So, never mind....

Outlook Good  [thumbsup]
ya I thought that was strange too when I was working on it... I was following wire for about 20 minutes then just decided to do the other side with just 2 wires, lol.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: LYD on May 14, 2008, 02:33:18 PM
Scott, I brought the kickstand switch into the plant and had one of our electrical mechanics take the connector off, numbering the leads, and taking the connector and making a jumper, so now it has the factory sealed connector on it.  If I ever want to sell the 900 I can bring it back in and he can convert it back.  I'll show you when I bring the bike over next week for Randy.


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
The 1098 must be different... Maybe they EXPECT you to take the stand off?!?
Starts right up, no probs, with no connector, no jumper, no splicing, Nuthin'!


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 14, 2008, 02:38:25 PM
Scott, I brought the kickstand switch into the plant and had one of our electrical mechanics take the connector off, numbering the leads, and taking the connector and making a jumper, so now it has the factory sealed connector on it.  If I ever want to sell the 900 I can bring it back in and he can convert it back.  I'll show you when I bring the bike over next week for Randy.

oh, what?  too good for paperclips, huh?  i see how it is...


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: RichD on May 14, 2008, 02:45:46 PM
Holy CRAP, Batman... I had already taken the kickstand off, & I had also unplugged the switch cable. I had just assumed it wouldn't work I know, never assume). I hit the switch & it started right up, no paper clip or anything!!!
(There's only 2 wires from the bike to the connector, but 3 wires to the switch. WTF?)

So, never mind....

Outlook Good  [thumbsup]

Did you put it in gear to see if it will KEEP running?
My 1098 will run and start with the kicker up or down... but will stall out if down and in gear.
It may depend on the ECU you've got... ...?


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 02:58:24 PM
Did you put it in gear to see if it will KEEP running?
My 1098 will run and start with the kicker up or down... but will stall out if down and in gear.
It may depend on the ECU you've got... ...?

Crickey... Be right back  :P


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 14, 2008, 03:00:53 PM
Crickey... Be right back  :P

please say you're going to be "on" the bike when you attempt this...


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 03:01:56 PM
Well, I sit corrected.... Thanks RichD. I think that;s 2 beers I owe you ;)
Now where's that #$(^&*@#^ paper clip I threw away... [roll]


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: RichD on May 14, 2008, 03:02:59 PM

;D

BEER!!!


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: James.M on May 14, 2008, 03:04:32 PM
Well, I sit corrected.... Thanks RichD. I think that;s 2 beers I owe you ;)
Now where's that #$(^&*@#^ paper clip I threw away... [roll]
lolol....

damn should let him found out on track day on the morning of...


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 14, 2008, 03:06:55 PM
Me again. Paper Clip to the rescue!!!!! There are only 2 wires coming from the engine to the connector, so it wasn't toooooo hard to guess which to slots needed   to be jumped.
Whew, that was close.
Now to come up with something a little more permanent ;D


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: RichD on May 14, 2008, 03:07:33 PM
lolol....

damn should let him found out on track day on the morning of...

Yeah, that shit would be funny like showing up for a gun shoot and forgetting to pack the bolt for your .50 Cal...
But then I always "pack a spare" (.50)


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: RichD on May 14, 2008, 03:10:41 PM
Me again. Paper Clip to the rescue!!!!! There are only 2 wires coming from the engine to the connector, so it wasn't toooooo hard to guess which to slots needed   to be jumped.
Whew, that was close.
Now to come up with something a little more permanent ;D

The switch doesn't weigh much... and if you remove it from the kickstand and zippie it in place....
Oh, yeah, we covered that....

Hell it's a factory connector so you won't risk buggering the pins/sockets up...

Go ahead...

DO IT!!!!    [evil]


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Ronr on May 14, 2008, 07:37:42 PM
I just leave my kickstand on.  Don't get my fingers dirty and saves bandwidth   ;)


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: hiero on May 15, 2008, 04:59:03 AM
wow, 3 pages just to figure out that you need a paperclip... that's one crazy paperclip...  [cheeky]



you guys talk too much, *grumble grumble grumble*


Title: Re: Sidestand switchythingy bypass...
Post by: Duc L'Smart on May 15, 2008, 05:01:19 AM
wow, 3 pages just to figure out that you need a paperclip... that's one crazy paperclip...  [cheeky]

Government Issue - Military Specs  [thumbsup]


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