Ducati Monster Forum

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I've got some  [bacon] and a  [drink] and sitting on the couch waiting.

 pull the trigger!

 The sale of my 696 is pending, My dealer is stocked with 1100/s, but just threw a wrench in the works and told me I could get a base streetfighter for $1000 more.  :-\

Bye bye Monster [thumbsup]

Let the games begin.....

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Looks great!!   [thumbsup]

Annnnnnnd...its the "correct" color!   ;)

Thanks pompetta

Just picked it up today.... and now for the mod-fun  ;D

I gotta say, even though the Streetfighter is a really nice bike I still prefer the Monster.  The lines of the new model have grown on me and I still just love the minimal look of an air cooled bike.  I've even started looking at the HD Nightster when i see one parked.  Again, minimal.

Scott

Not much of interest to show just yet, but there'll be pictures.  Soon.  Honest.

Just fitted my tail tidy this evening.... waiting on the Swatts to arrive before I get into the top-triple.....

Looking forward to your views on the Swatts v Tall Boys.
Oh and photos too.

Yeah... well so was I.  Looks like its not gonna happen though.  I had to go the refund on my Swatts coz they couldnt manage to deliver a set in undamaged condition.... and then after much waiting they couldnt get around to delivering a set at all.  But thanks go to Jeff at Monsterparts who cheerfully offered me a full refund after both he and I had wasted too much time and effort chasing Swatt around in circles.  Guess I'll be fitting Speedymoto Tallboys as first seen on my 696 some day soon.  [update] Thanks to stopintime for pointing me in the direction of a fine pair of 2.5" Swatts which have now been fitted and are about to undergo their maiden voyage....  further details and pics coming soon.........[end update]

In the mean time here's a few pics of today's outing.  The observant amongst you might spot my subtle  ;) 8) new Rizoma Radial Naked mirrors and Pazzo levers.  Also new is the Rizoma oil-filler cap and CF-look Termi decals. The DP touring seat, Rizoma rear-sets and rear brake reservoir I transferred over from my 696.

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Coming soon.... Speedymoto top-triple and Swatts, open clutch bling, Rizoma front brake and clutch reservoirs and possibly some paintwork.....  

Very nice!  I want those rear-sets for my 696.  They look so much better!

nice accessories

Looks really good.  [beer] 

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[coffee]

Looking neat Ungeheuer

...and its lighter by more than 27 kilogrammes  ;D ...although I'm not too happy with the handling  ;)

If you put wheels back on it, it would handle better  [cheeky]

Waiting for BSTs?   [evil]

Nah... nothing so exotic.

Powdercoat?

Rimstripes?

Billet valve stem caps?

 ;D

 I priced out getting my rims pc'd gloss black and they said 55 bucks per rim. You take out the bearings, remove the front discs, and the tires of course.

Thats...um... inexpensive.  So when ya geting em tricked-up?

 I couldn't stand having my bike down now as there is only 5-6 weeks of riding left here. After that I'll send thrm away during the hellish winter.

how do you like it vs the 696?

hmm..well... the 696 is a Good Thing and the 1100 is More of a Good Thing.  Oh and you cant do this with a 696 ...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3449/3955617478_a91f88eb44_b.jpg)

Crappy indoor pic I know but its still a work in progress....

Holy shit, those wheels are SMOKIN' HAWT!!!   [evil] [evil] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

You need just one thing to finish that rear wheel.
Billet nuts either side, I got black and I think they'd look  [thumbsup] on your wheels.

Love attention to detail! Great idea  8)  Thanks Matty  [thumbsup]

That black & gold color combo is one of my favorites  [thumbsup]

No prob, if you take a look at mine I have them on each side and also had rim stripes painted
instead of just stickered on, also have black 90 degree valve stems just to complete the whole black/gold theme. 

During a break in the rain I snatched a few pics of the progress so far....

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Gold/red/black tank panels and seat cowl!!??   [moto] 

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It's a great theme, I am on the same track.
I think the tank skins are a semi guarded secret, they will debut soon I hope.

oh... you're good  ;)  Red/Black/Gold tanks panels and seat cowl, yup.[thumbsup]

No secret.  Just a little hard to show you something that doesnt yet exist.  I hope to have the panels back from Brad at Bikecraft in time for this weekend and then all will be unveiled. [update] panels delayed.... [end update]

If you're looking for clues, then this gives some pointers as to where I'm heading... (although this example looks kinda orange...) >> http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk65/mcgalinmd/ducbike.jpg (http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk65/mcgalinmd/ducbike.jpg)

Jeebus I wish I had an artistic bone in my body, that look soooo good.
Don

If they took that all the way to the frame, why not paint the cast subframe?

Very nice.  [thumbsup]

Could you get us a close-up shot of the rear wheel from the swingarm side.  [evil]

What? the pic above isnt close-up enough?  ;D

No it's good, but get in closer. I love the inside of that wheel.  [evil]

Lookin' good...................... now take advantage of the break in the rain & go lean that baby over & get rid of those chicken strips [laugh]

 >:(

 ;D

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Yeah, I'll do that.  Just for you.   :P [roll]

Kinky request, but here ya go...  ;)
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Those wheels are the awesomeness!   [evil]   [thumbsup]

But, while you're awaiting the tank panels, remove your sprocket carrier and paint it black.   ;D

Very nice.  [thumbsup]

Needs something, you're right.

While waiting for my tank panels I fitted my Speedymoto top triple and Swatt clip-ons, lowered the speedo binnacle... and then took em for an ugly-naked outing....
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New suit...

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very nice!

Very nice.  [evil]

 [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down]
speachless  [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]

beautiful.

how well is the center tank piece holding paint?

Wow.  Very nice.

Well worth the wait...bellissimo!!   [bow_down] [bow_down]   [evil] [evil]   [moto] [moto]   [beer] [beer]

I think it is time for our first new generation Monster BOMB.  Very nice.  I think it looks just as good without the tank panels on. 

+1

Nice job, looks a little similar to that recent S4Rs.
The detailing is very nice on those skins.

Thanks guys for all the positive comments  [beer]

Y'know what? I think the same thing! When I was riding around without any tank skins I began to understand this "dark" thing..... and I got to thinking that it actually looks pretty cool like that.  Now if I could find me a set of 696 flat-black tank skins, that'd be nice alternative pair of jeans to my red-carpet glamour suit....  8)

Nah, speechless is me attempting to speak Portuguese.  Thanks pjfa  :)

14 tooth front sprocket went on today and I finally got around to fitting those Rizoma reservoirs, so here's a pic.... along with a couple more gratuitous images 8)

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Very tasteful work [thumbsup]

Have you considered the under engine pipes? Maybe a belly pan?

If it was me, I think I would be a little worried about running out of mod projects :o
(There is no such thing, I know, but still...)

How about coating that rear spring in any other color than yellow ?

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Wow - that's an incredible Monster.  Great job...

I'm just putting my baby into the garage for the winter, and I'm going to do about 1% of the work you've done :)  Which Swatt clip ons are those - 3 1/5 inch rise?

Damn dude, that's gorgeous!! [thumbsup]

So what is your running total$$$ on her so far?

My wife put you up to that didnt she? Nice try  [clap]

Thanks stopintime.  For now I'll stick with the stock pipes/termi slip-ons.... might ceramic coat 'em one day though... maybe...  But no belly pan for me, I like my naked, naked  ;D  And as for running out of mods....  [laugh] [laugh]

Thanks guys   :)

Very nice job ungeheuer.  If I understand you correctly, you ended up using a speedy moto top tripple and the swatt 2.5" riser clip ons?  Where online did you end up getting those?

No i was just trying to get an estimate of how much i have to smuggle past my wife to do something similar some day (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-evil-grin-smileys-429.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Adult-Smileys/)

I'm biased toward the old style monster..
but yeah, I'll echo what people have said..  looks sweeeet!
your dragging me into the new age!   :o

Damn  :-\[laugh]

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Well?

i'm going black on mine. so go red

Red, but not as bright as in the picture. Make it greyish red.


Hmm.. what about gold?


    ,or dark grey?

If it were my bike/choice I would powdercoat it red to match the factory subframe..

Ti  [evil]


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Ti looks really great on your bike....but I dont think its for mine....  I'm liking black right now.... but the stock yellow doesnt offend me either....

D*mn Ung!!

Looks sweet!!  [thumbsup]

I've posted pics on this thread running both 2.5" and 3.5" Swatts... most recently I'm running 3.5"ers...  More here >>  http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.45 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.45)
Yup. You'll find the speedymoto top triple here >> http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/03-0205/Bars-Mirrors/03-0205.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/03-0205/Bars-Mirrors/03-0205.html) << Tell Jeff that ungeheuer sent you ;).  And Swatts here >> http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=38|Aluminum%20Billet&productID=6705&showDetail=1&categoryID=45 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=38|Aluminum%20Billet&productID=6705&showDetail=1&categoryID=45) << tell em that ungeheuer and stopintime both sent you...  lol

G'Day Ducatters  8)

One of the many things I like about M696/M1100 is how its so easy to swap out your panels for a whole different look.... Sooo... here's a few crappy indoor pics of my emerging CF project...

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4191714822_edcda1c626.jpg)   (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2727/4191702932_968dba7ebb.jpg)

Since I last posted I've had the Termi end caps ceramic coated too.  Better pics coming soon...

I like it ;).  The carbon adds a lot of texture and depth, especially with the seat cowl on.

Fantastic color combination!!   [clap]   [bow_down]   8)   [thumbsup]   [moto]  [drool]

 The red Ducati logo combined with the red frame? lol - you are so biased  [laugh] ;)

Thanks guys  [thumbsup]

  Looks good!  [thumbsup]

  Now you need a set of CF wheels to switch into when you change to those panels  ;D

 

Looks fantastic as always, I do like the fact that you can change the look of your bike in 30 mins.

Ungeheuer; might I ask what CF oil cooler covers you have?

I like it, but it needs a black/grey frame ;D .... and I like the other painted parts better [thumbsup]
Guess it's nice to have options :)

If CF with a red frame is good enough for Rever Corsa's $43,000 Monster.... ;)  >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=30589.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=30589.0)  <<  I do agree though, just take a look at kopfjäger's bike to see how faboulus CF with silver/grey frame looks.  Obviously for me the red frame is a fixed item, although I do enjoy playing different themes around it..... and yeah, the black/gold/red colour scheme is my favourite too.... but the carbon fibre is a nice alternative.  More pics...

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2638/4228326596_16d37566f0_b.jpg)

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CF oil cooler shroud came from mi amigos su vende en Espana, aqui esta >> http://www.carbon4us.com/35-carbono?p=2 (http://www.carbon4us.com/35-carbono?p=2) << not the greatest quality, some dremel work required to get the parts to fit together but worked out alright in the end.

Thanks for the link on the CF oil cooler shroud.  The OEM plastic pieces; especially with the charcoal canister, just hang out there like a huge red boil on a lovely thong wearing feminine derrière.

BTW,  you have done wonders with your bike; can't make up my mind which version I like better though.  The brake and clutch fluid reservoirs make a world of difference.  I'm still looking for some replacements for the cheesy plastic OEM pieces.

Guys... as a footnote I'd like to share with you my experiences in sourcing carbon fibre items.  As most of you probably are aware I had.... an... issue with a Carbon item sourced from OPP Racing.... after much debate and time wasted fighting, OPP did grant me a 20% discount on the flawed item.  Not such a satisfactory outcome as although I "saved" a little money I still had an imperfect product.  What really grated with me was OPP's continued assertion that I was the proud owner of the world's finest carbon fibre (with pin holes, so make the beast with two backs off).  Having paid "top-dollar" and received what I felt was an unsatisfactory item, I decided to replace this oh-so-fabulous quality item with a far less expensive item manufactured in Hong Kong.  It arrived without any defects, it also fit better.  My carbon fibre tank panels also came from the same Hong Kong supplier.  As did my seat cowl...... which unfortunately arrived with dimples, presumably caused by poor vacuum forming.  When I emailed the seller in China, they called me on my cell phone within hours to discuss the problem! They followed up by email and arranged to replace the defective item - without ever requiring that I send the defective part back to them at my expense, although I have offered to return it to them.  The contrast in customer service has to be experienced to be believed.  I have absolutely no association with Eastcarbon other than as a satisfied customer, I just wanted to share with you the great product support I received from these guys in China  >> http://motors.shop.ebay.com/eastcarbon/m.html (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/eastcarbon/m.html)  <<  Just because it isnt sourced from Europe or North America and doesnt cost a gazillion dollars doesnt mean that its not worth considering.  

I applaud and thank you for sharing your experience with the CF from China.  I've thought about it but never risked ordering.  I did order a CF front fender from a US outfit (they also bragged that the piece was made in the US) and was throughly disappointed.  The piece was probably as heavy as the OEM plastic fender because of wet layup but what was worse, it looked like a three year old child did the work.  The CF fabric was pulled and stretched out of shape and the surface was shiny but full of ripples and dips.  I sent it back and got a quality piece from Monsterparts.

Unfortunately, eastcarbon doesn't have the parts I'm currently looking for, the oil cooler covers.

dennisd dont get me wrong, the stuff out of China is fibre-glass based wet layup with plenty of resin weighing it down too.  I'm not saying that its the world's best quality, what I am saying is that if you're after CF just for the bling value rather than for weight reduction and strength (yeah, I know... I am such a shallow individual  ;))... then the stuff out of China is good value... for the money the quality is acceptable.  What I was raving about was their astonishing customer support.  Not all sellers are so eager to please.  And y'know its all about expectations.. when I pay Big Bucks for something I expect it to be Bloody Good and if its not then I expect that its rectified to my satisfaction without question.....  When I dont pay so much then I can live with less, yet the guys at Eastcarbon easily exceeded my expectations by going out of their way to see that they fixed up a problem to the highest standard that they can.

Hey Unge,  They are using your bike in their add for the side panels....

I miss this part on your bike.....

http://www.ducati.com/shop/product.jsp;jsessionid=FMZ0HYDTVGQXMCRNCB3CFFQKFUIHSIV2?catid=cat1040156&prodid=prod1570114 (http://www.ducati.com/shop/product.jsp;jsessionid=FMZ0HYDTVGQXMCRNCB3CFFQKFUIHSIV2?catid=cat1040156&prodid=prod1570114)

Fear not.  I've had that item on order with Commonwealth Motorcycles since early last month....  I guess it will be next year before I see it now....  [popcorn]

With my permission  [thumbsup]

Why not just paint the OEM piece?

Red?  ;)

I will have it coated semi-matt black to match the sprocket and Termi end caps for a later project.......  But I also wanted a gold anodised item for the days when I feel like wearing white shoes  [laugh].

Hey!!  Mine's black, not red!!   [laugh] [laugh]

Great colour combination ;D [thumbsup] ;)

Ungeheuer

Good work.That bike is sensational. [clap]
It's got a real tough look in carbon.
It's beautiful and tough lookin' at the same time, a real Monster trait.
Il Monstro bella grosso or something like that. Italian DMFer's help me out here.

Have a Merry Christmas [drink]

Tony

I see they are using your bike in their ads though...  [thumbsup]
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220528977548&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220528977548&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en)

We've had this conversation already Justo.   Wake up will ya  [laugh] ;)

Thanks Tony, cheers mate  [beer]  A safe and Merry Xmas to you too  [thumbsup]

That bike is gorgeous.  I love it!

those radial fork lowers need to be... darker...

Hey, that paint job looks like this bike....2nd place in this past years monster build off.  Should have gotten first.  Props to Donnie. :)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk65/mcgalinmd/ducbike.jpg)

 [bang] [bang] . I never said I was quick on the uptake.

Off topic/on topic, theres a guy here in oz on ebay who also does some pretty good CF. I got my heat shirlds from him. Much better spending $78 than Ducati's price of $230.

I was happy with the product.

http://myworld.ebay.com.au/carbondude1/ (http://myworld.ebay.com.au/carbondude1/)

no doubt someone has already posted this info too...  [bang] [bang]

Yup, and as I said right here in this thread back in September '09 >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg521846#msg521846 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg521846#msg521846) << that DucPond M1100 was my basic inspiration.  Its a lovely piece of work, although when you get down to the detail, naturally I prefer mine  8)

Thanks  [thumbsup]

Yup, you're right.  Probably isnt gonna happen in a hurry though.

Be careful Justo

That's really CF gear the guy is selling.
From what I hear it's fibreglass wet lay with a layer or two only over the top of CF masking as full CF.
I have seen it on a bike turning yellow after a very short time.

As a friend says, buy once buy right!
 

OH MAN, now you tell us/me.  I'm waiting on my oil cooler side covers to come in from carbondude as I type this.  Maybe since the pieces are under the frame I'll be OK.  The main thing I am doing is getting rid of the charcoal canister so I think I'll still loose some weight even with the wet layup CF from him.

I received my oil cooler side covers from Carbondude out of Australia.  Just wanted to comment; the pieces are indeed wet layup however they are thiner and lighter than most wet layup CF I've seen before.  The quality of the workmanship is good (I'd say very good for the price).  The fit is OK but I did have to do a little dremel work where the pieces lock together with the OEM oil cooler surround to make better fit. They would have worked as is but I'm kind of a stickler for trying to get the best fit, I even do this with OEM pieces sometime.  Overall, I'd say I'm happy with the purchase.  Only time will tell if they yellow quicker than more expensive CF but since my bike is stored in a garage I'm hoping for pretty good longevity.

When the sun creeps below the horizon and the sky is tinged with red...... before the Dark of the night comes Dusk....

My Ducati Dusk, a Red/Dark variation on the M1100 theme...
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(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4298545813_3d25e8f12a.jpg)  (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/4299306454_53398d3355.jpg)

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You sir, have a sickness, which I admire.  Kudos for the imagination and follow through.  How many skins does this bring you up to now?  My simple black set and white set seem lacking now.  I was going to sell the whites, but now I'm thinking I need to visit the local paint shop.

...... and now you'll need a new set of black/red parts to replace the gold ;D

I love it [thumbsup]

That looks awesome. I love the gold/black contrasts.  You have some really sweet skin setups.

Did you get the tail end of the termi's ceramic coated?  Any trick or tips on that?  I'm getting ready to do mine.  Do you have to drill out the rivets?  How did you or they re-mount them?  Thanks.

Lemme see....  
1) stock red skins.  
2) red/black/gold paintjob skins.  
3) CF skins.  
4) [and final set] these logo-modified Dark skins.
Yup, Termi end caps are ceramic coated.  Easy enough to get em off:  Drill out the original SS rivets and the end caps and external straps are then separated from the CF casing.  Refit is no more complicated: simply re-mount em with new SS rivets (you do need a decent rivet gun though).
um... lol.... I dont think so [cheeky] ;D

And thanks for the positive comments too (excepting stopintime...... you sir are just plain evil  [evil] ;) lol....)

how's the paint holding up on the center tank panel?

Hi Raux - mate, the paint is holding up perfectly  [thumbsup]  Although to help save it from scratching I do have one of these >> http://www.store.commoto.com/ducati-monster-6961100-clear-tank-protector-p-1038.html (http://www.store.commoto.com/ducati-monster-6961100-clear-tank-protector-p-1038.html)

 I love the flat black much better than the shiney black and red. I want to paint  my tank skins this orange color and go with a flat black seat cowl and paint my rims black. My bike has a black frame

um... not such an enlightening picture there gearhead.  Care to link to one we can see?

Funny - it's the third time I've been accused of being evil today.
Two of my Personal Trainer clients both stated that they felt ripped off - the way I train them is so hurtful that it can't origin from a constructive wish to help - it has to be because I'm sincerely evil. They think it's wrong to pay me for what seems to be my pleasure. Maybe they're right [evil]

Did you have to relocate the black (battery shaped) overflow reservoir (or whatever it is) on the left side of the bike?  I just got in some carbon oil cooler covers and it has no place to mount that piece.

Did you have to relocate the black (battery shaped) overflow reservoir (or whatever it is) on the left side of the bike?  I just got in some carbon oil cooler covers and it has no place to mount that piece.  I don't see in your pics.

Mate, the carbon canister is not a factory fitted stock item on Australian market Euro spec bikes, so nope I didnt have to remove it, it was never there.  Its common amoung US owners to ditch it however (since its ugly as sin anyway  ;)).  
Some info here >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28527.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28527.0)

Thanks a lot, that information is very helpful.  I was scratching my head even after looking at the shop manual.  I read through the link(s) that you included. 

Do you think I can just remove the box and plug the hoses, or do you think it is a little more complicated?  There was one link about removal from SR4 that looked somewhat involved.  If I get stuck, I guess I will ask my mechanic to remove it properly.  Thanks again.

I'm definately not the expert on the issue since I've not had to contend with removing the thing...... I'm pretty sure Raux got rid of his charcoal canister so hopefully he'll chime in.....  Raux? Wo bist du?

swankdaddy7,

sorry took me so long to reply. i'm in germany so time difference. yes i did remove my canister and no it's not simple as plugging hoses, but it is simple.

give me a bit and i'll give you complete instructions.

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=8630.msg213462#msg213462 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=8630.msg213462#msg213462)

it's on the thread above

^ There ya go ^ swankdaddy7.  How's that for service?

I dont want to carry this thing around with me everywhere anymore..
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4344744010_ccc072816f.jpg)

...but if you unplug it the management gets upset..
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4344744018_74bbe02d85.jpg)

..unless you tell pretty lies with something like this...
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4344761466_1e52b2e026.jpg)

Weighing in at just 29 grams..
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4344744002_ebe275c34d.jpg)

...rather than the half-kilo of stock hardware  ;D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4344744012_fc6a3304b6.jpg)

Good work Mark [thumbsup] (Now get busy fabricating!!  ;) [cheeky]).

Our Duc.EE is pretty cool I even have to admit.  Not just because it is lightweight; not because it allows aftermarket seats to fit (some don't have clearance for the actuator motor); but because it gets rid of the funky Rube Goldberg device with cables which is UGLY and not applicable as well to aftermarket exhaust systems. 

My favorite part is installation.  Disconnect the plug to the factory actuator and plug in the Duc.EE.  Turn the ignition on and you are done -- it will synchronize @94% of the time the first turn.  Else it will do it on the second time the ignition is turned on.  Local dealership installed one on a StreetFighter and both techs gave me a look of "that was too easy" -- yup, that's the way it is supposed to work!

So far the 1198 Superbike guys went crazy ordering Duc.EE's for the Marelli ecu-enabled bikes they have.  Hopefully in six months, "Duc.EE" will be as well known as BoomTubes are!  (more cool stuff in the works ala parts and electronics soon!)

Back to TIG welding and fabrication -- work doesn't stop while typing on the Internet unfortunately....

Can you make something cool to fit in the empty space?  8)

Only 94% of the time?  ;).  

Mine was fooled into "believing" at the first turn of the key and yeah, installation is much too easy to be paying dealer techs to do it ;D.  Ten minutes all up, and most of that time is spent removing the stock servo and cable mechanism....

what? and add weight back?

Balloon filled with helium :D

You know, as usual, Mark is ahead of all of us. Keep watching [thumbsup]

Way cool  [thumbsup]


We believe the stock cable tension on each individual bike has something to do with this. It tends to act as a "mechanical memory" that will move/set the stock encoder(flapper) to a fixed known position on its dynamic range.  When you install a "virgin" Duc.EE and power up for the very first time, your bike will wake up expecting to read the last know postion based on the tension the cable was pulling/pushing on the stock encoder to what it has in memory.  But now that you have gone and removed the stock cable/flapper setup and replaced it with a Duc.EE the default position Duc.EE will report to the ECU may not be in the window of what the ECU was expecting. The majority of the time the ECU will over look this and do a new homing sequence. On the rare occasion, during installation, it ends up swearing at you. If that is the case, like Mark pointed out, just switch off the bike and back on again to allow the ECU to relearn the new(Duc.EE's) position. You are then good to go. You will never experience this again.

Could you please confirm the hardware of those pics?
Speedymoto Top Triple Clamp
Swatt 2 1/2"

Any issue with the air intakes?
Did you mount the headligth without any changes?

I´ve seen another M1100S with the Top Triple Clamp from Speedymoto but it seems like the headlight is a little bit higher and forward than yours. I like as it fit in your Monster.

Here the Monster I´m talking about:
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3637/3991746973dafc36608a.jpg)

G'Day Paulo  :)  Yup, Speedymoto top triple and 2.5" Swatts in those pics (although I now run 3.5" Swatts).
 
As in clearance issues with the bars?  Running the 2.5"ers I had to back out the steering stops very slightly to avoid contact, but running the 3.5"ers there's no issue even with the steering stops in the stock position.

The speedymoto top triple kinda forces you into changing the headlight mounting position - mine is mounted around 5mm lower and 5mm further away from the forks.  All the details here >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.msg447867#msg447867 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.msg447867#msg447867)

Yeah, I didnt like that "perched on top" look of the speedo binacle, so I lowered mine by around 12mm to pull it in closer to the new top triple for IMO a cleaner look.

Thank´s for your feedback  [bow_down]


How did you do it? You wrote:
I've since modified the instrument binnacle mounting brackets so that it now sits lower and tighter into the top triple - eliminates that "perched on top" look.

But I can´t find/see the way to
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2436/3646189389_82360fac04.jpg?v=0)

Hi,

I get my set of 1098 Showa and after done some measurements I get the following:
M696 Fork 680mm Height
1098 Fork 710mm Height

So, I have a clearance - above the Speedymoto Triple - of 35mm.

My only option is fit clipons (without rise or just a little bit) above.
I´ve been looking for some 53mm clipons and find the Drivens (I like the bracket but I don´t know the height)
(http://www.drivenracing.com/grphx/products/clipon-1.jpg)

I can´t find any feedback in the forum and ask if you know if they are fine or I should go for other brand (Speedymoto, Swatt, Vortex)
(http://www.speedymoto.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/08-0053BLK2.jpg)
(http://www.swattmotorcycle.com/sitebuilder/images/clip-on-200x137.jpg)
(http://www.vortexracing.com/clientuploads/directory/Products/CL_large.jpg)

Other options?

Sorry to post this here  [thumbsup]

PJFA:

The SpeedyMoto triple is flat. Your stock triple isn't. The stock fork clamps grip the forks lower, so you need to measure at the lower triple to position the forks at the stock height. This means that the clearance above the top triple is not the same after installing a SpeedyMoto - maybe you don't actually have 35mm clearance above?

I took some pics back when I made the mock-up for my 696, but I did it exactly the same way on the 1100 too..... Goes something like this..

To get from this...
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4383990449_3af123ef60.jpg)

...to this
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4383973389_748e3c1ec2.jpg)

You have to cut down the speedo binnacle mounting arms (part of the headlight bezel casting)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2700/4383990445_118496fd28.jpg)

I cut the speedo binnacle mounting arms down by around 12mm and at an angle so that they would fit neatly inside the speedo's lower plastic cover...
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4383977431_1752eff206.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4383977427_c6b7a329cd.jpg)
... and made up 2 small brackets which bolt up to the lower mounting holes (the upper mounting holes have now been amputated).

I hand filed grooves into the cut top section so that the speedo's upper mounting screws fit nicer than shown in these mock-up pics...
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2691/4383973393_89ef4ae9af.jpg)
... and then finished it neatly before sending the whole headlight bezel assembly to be ceramic coated.

Hope this helps  :)

pjfa you have me completely confused  ???...  Are you saying that the 1098 forks will protrude above the top triple by 35mm more than the stock 696 forks do??  And are you intending to mount clipons ABOVE the top triple??  stopintime is correct, coz of the profile of the speedymoto top triple, it clamps the forks at a point ..maybe 10mm higher (yeah I know I said 15mm higher on another thread, but thinking about it, its more like 10mm) ..than the stock top triple...  meaning that you'd have no more than 25mm above the top triple available to mount your clipons.... um?

Por que? Why's your only option to fit clipons above the top triple??  Why couldnt you fit clipons (with some rise) below??

Yeah  :P Threadjacker  ;) 

Do you think there will be enough rise to the risers to clear a ~25mm fork "top"? I would guess yes to SpeedyMoto's Tall Boys, but no to Swatt's.
Maybe the ones in PJFA's bottom picture or Apex' will fit "above" - if needed with a very modest lowering of the front?

ungeheuer & stopintime - this is why I realy love this forum.
Thank´s for your answers  [thumbsup]

Even with the Speedymoto Top Triple, the clearance will be 35mm.
But, when I get the Top Triple, I will check it.

You're welcome :)

, but you did understand the issues regarding the different profiles of the stock and SpeedyMoto triples?
If you want the same geometry as stock (mounting the forks at the stock height by the lower triple) the available fork space above the top triple will change.

Yes, I understand the issue regarding this.
I will keep the same geometry (390mm from the center of the axle to the bottom of the lower top triple).
That´s why in the top (of the top triple) the 35mm stay "out" of the triple.

Sorry, but no - I'll try to explain better.....
You are correct about where to measure (you just called it "lower top" triple) ;)
The top triple position is decided by the center stem nut (Ungeheuer has a golden one). From there the SpeedyMoto triple goes straight/flat out towards the fork tubes. The stock top triple goes from the center stem nut and THEN gradually tapers/"falls" downwards connecting the fork tubes at a lower position, thus leaving more room to mount a clip on ABOVE it.

I made this "paint" image to illustrate...

Not much of an artist, but maybe you understand what I'm trying to show [laugh]

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/pjfa.jpg)

Yes, I know and your thinking is ok for stock Fork (685mm) but no for the 1098 Fork (710mm) - I think  [beer]

Edit: (see the pic - I add the height of the 1098 Showa)
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4122/imagem3x.png)

If I understand you correctly, you're saying you have enough fork length to accomodate clip ons above the triple regardless of which top triple you use? I'm a bit confused, because you said the available space was ~35mm and I'm saying the available space will change. Maybe it will still be enough, but I think not (at least not for the Driven clip ons).

Yes, using Speedymotos (as your "paint" image).


Thank´s. I will contact Driven and ask them about the height of their clipon clamps  [thumbsup]

I think 3.5" Swatts set right up under the top triple may just clear.....  Later I can measure and report back  [popcorn]  But..... if you "reversed" Mk2 Swatts (here we go again....  [laugh]) so that they were mounted opposite to how mine are, then there would be no issue with clearance at all.  Might look a bit weird though....

What about this for an option (or have you already committed to the speedymoto top triple?)  >> http://www.rizoma.com/Prodotti/ProdottiSport.cfm?ID_categoria=20 (http://www.rizoma.com/Prodotti/ProdottiSport.cfm?ID_categoria=20)

If you do end up with 35mm of available fork above the top triple, I'm confident you'll find some clipons to fit above and its likely to look pretty neat too I reckon....  

Hi Steve,

About Speedymoto Triple Clamp: already payed  [thumbsup]

Swatt option - I realy want clipons to fit above the triple.

Breaking News- I already get an answer from Driven: the height of the clamp is 40mm  [bang]

Gotcha.  Well good luck with it, if I stumble across any clipons that look like they'll fit I'll let you know.

i picked up the raised DP clipons for the Sport Classic and gonna try those.

Yeah I thought about those sport classic clipons too, they're a more attractive piece of design than the Swatt Bricks.  pjfa wants above-the-triple clipons though.

Homework: 3.5" Swatts would clear 25mm of protruding fork leg, be a very tight prospect with 30mm and no way if its 35mm. Not that any of this matters to pjfa, but others may benefit...

Hey Unge, sent you a PM

Stopintime and Ungeheuer - it feels like I've asked every possible question with regards to Swatt clip-ons, so I apologize in advance for this last couple.  Ya, last couple for sure.

I've got a M1100 with 3.5" Swatts.  I finally got everything buttoned back up on my bike, and my turning radius is almost nil.  I tried backing out the end-stops to prevent mashing my bars into the tank, but even wound completely out isn't far enough.  Since I need to be able to turn, this isn't a good situation.

So, looking at my bike, I think I'm stuck with a couple of options:
1)  Move the clip-ons out, so they are more straight across.  I really don't want to do this, as the whole reason I went to clip-ons was to get a more 'sportbike' angle on my hands.  The ergos on the stock bar was giving me some serious RSI.
2)  Try and raise the clip-ons further, to see if they interfere with the tank less.  I already have them all the way up under the top triple, but I could go another 3mm or so if I grind off the nubs from where the old cable routing clamps.  I don't think 3mm is going to do much.

So, then I look at Stopintime's work of art, and it looks that there might be more room under the Speedymoto triple compared to stock.  Is this true?  If I can raise them another say 3cm, and maybe move them outward a few degrees, maybe this will all work?

For anyone else considering putting clip-ons on a M1100, you may want to reconsider.  Holy crap this is a project and a half.

I'm sorry to hear you're having trouble.

You're going to have to wait for Ungeheuer to reply - he's the one with the 696/1100 clip on knowledge.

There is more room under a SpeedyMoto top triple, but some of it is negated by the added thickness of the SpeedyMoto piece.

i picked up the S&P triples and there will be more room under it compared to the stock triples. most of the aftermarket triples do get rid of the wing shape of the stock. as long as they are single bolt you should see some difference. if it's a two bolt top triple you can expect little extra space

bigjilm what doesnt kill you only makes you stronger, so hang in there with it even though its obvious you are having some frustration....  

So, firstly.... some pics of your set up would probably assist....  Secondly, I'm assuming that you've seen pics of my M1100 wearing both 2.5" and 3.5" Swatts (albeit with a speedymoto top triple), so you know that what you want to do has gotta be possible.  

OK, so you say that your 3.5" Swatts are bolted right up as high as the stock top triple will allow, yes?  And in this position you cant get acceptable steering lock to lock along with acceptable sweepback on the bars, right?  When you compare your setup to pics of mine, how does the sweepback compare?  Have you gone for a more radical sweepback perhaps?  I ask coz I'm struggling to understand why you would have so much trouble with this, since even when I tried 2.5" Swatts I lost only a very slight amount of steering lock in order to avoid the bars contacting the sides of the "tank", and with the 3.5" theres no loss of lock at all.  When you turn the steering fully to the right (or left) at what point do the bars contact the tank?  On mine, when turned fully the handlebar controls just sneak into the mesh air-intake indentations with around 3mm to spare before any contact.  And this with the lock-stops in the stock position remember.

Who thinks there's more than 1" difference between the height you can bolt up under the stock triple when compared to the higher height offered beneath a speedymoto triple?  I dont think there would be as much as an inch..... and so therefore, when I was able to gain an acceptable setup running 2.5" tall swatts right up beneath the higher (at the fork legs) speedy triple, you ought to be getting a similar result running 3.5" tall Swatts right up under your (lower) stock triple... :-\??   What I'm attempting to say (not very well...) is that if your stock triple clamp forces you to set your bars at a height 1" lower than can be achieved under a speedymoto (or similar) top triple, then your 3.5" Swatt setup ought to end up more or less comparable to my 2.5" Swatts.  And whilst I am happier with my 3.5"ers, the 2.5" were completely fine - only losing a small amount of steering lock.  

Pictures bigjilm, pictures.....  [popcorn]

ungeheuer,

I've been considering cutting my stock rear fender in lieu of one of the tail tidy kits.  I just came across these photo's of your bike, and it looks like you've already done it!  Do my eyes decieve me?  Did you encounter any issues, or have any advice to offer?  Thanks.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2429/3985263389_7fa3b14433_o.jpg)

Woohoo - a not clipon question  ;D Thanks for getting my thread back ontrack MonsterTom  [thumbsup]
Now to answer your question: That there rear end is in fact the DP tail tidy, the tidiest (if perhaps mildest too) tail tidy of em all IMHO - just like the stock tail... but less so  ;D

To the clipon guys... dont be offended, but rather than deal with those issues any further here (coz this thread is meant to be about me and my M1100  8)...lol) How about we continue the clipons conversation over here >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.msg447867#msg447867 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.msg447867#msg447867)

Hmmmm...interesting, so it may very well be that Ducati simply "shortened" there stock tail, albeit with new parts based on the stock design, with their tail tidy kit.  I think I should be able to acheive a similar result if I cut my stock tail.  I might have to try it.

I finally put down the wrenches and picked up the camera.  Rather than add my mess to this thread, celebrating the incredible bike you've put together, I've created my own thread. 

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=35967.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=35967.0)

Everything you've said makes sense, and it leads me to the inescapable conclusion.  I have to reduce my sweep-back - easier said than done, as you know.  See you in the other thread...

just went through the whole thread  :o :o :o!



only looking at teh picsors! ;)

Lorv this bike. I too am stuck in the "prefer the olda stuff" Klan, but tis all relative.! Great work!  [thumbsup] [moto] BOTM!!???

My Red/CF stripe DP tail cover finally arrived and so I had a CF front fender painted to match which meant it was time to slip back into the red again.  And as you can see, I finally got rid of the exhaust flapper too, soooo.... time to ride  [moto].

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2747/4464022116_d0369d68a0_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2615/4464022114_46a852bd8f_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4464045786_495b183446_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4463255017_a2d5e4cc16_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4463255015_9a9c497f95_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2765/4464045794_fd897a5b23_b.jpg)

That's a good looking stripe job [thumbsup]

Mmmmmm...red!

did you remove the termis cones to PC them?

Also, I noticed on the back seat cowl there is a raised section in the center that goes all the way to the back. Did you add it, or does it come that way when you get the DP carbon cowl? By the way, I love the paint on the front fender! [thumbsup] [clap] [bacon]

YEA!  I'm likin' that front to back CF stripe.

bling bling!

I had the Termi end caps ceramic coated a while back, the plan being that when I found a way to dispense with the exhaust flapper-gate I would then have the rest of the exhaust system ceramic coated too (As I'd previously done on the 696 >>  http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25025.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25025.0)). But now that I'm at that point, I'm beginning to consider other options.....  
DP carbon cowl comes exactly as you see it, painted to match (its available in red, white or silver) with the centre carbon stripe raised up a little.

What's the sticker on the right side frame tube?

I wish it was a sticker..... Its the "compliance plate" - a metal plate riveted to the frame, without which no vehicle can be registered in Australia.  Removing it is federal offence (although I have considered covering it with - ironically - red tape).

Couldn't they have put it in a less conspicuous place?

They're bureaucrats, of course they could've put it in a less conspicuous place, but then they wouldn't feel so important [roll].  Every M1100 and M696 in Australia has this thing in that very same place. I try to pretend not to notice it since there's nothing I can do about it.

so much for peeling it off your frame and sticking it under your seat  [laugh]

Ok i can't hold back anymore... I absolutely love the color combo! Everything is so perfectly balanced between red, black, and just enough gold. Perfect touch with the ceramic coated muffler tips [thumbsup] The ONLY thing that I am sure you have considered is the rear spring. And honestly, I don't think that I would get the rest of the exhaust ceramic coated. I like it just the way it is. Good job  [beer]

Oh sure, go right ahead - kick a bloke where it hurts  :P :P.  

The exhaust emission, "e' compliance noise test and chain adjustment advisory stickers (all from the left side of the bike) I may already have put under the seat, but for the State road/traffic bureaucrats..... I deny everything  ;).  So, the compliance plate? As I said theres nothing I can do about it - no point me worrying about something I cant alter.

Thanks man  [thumbsup].  I have thought about having the rear spring powdercoated.... but so far the yellow isnt bothering me enough to get around to doing anything about it.

Looks incredible!  I ceramic coated my Termi tips recently and I love the look.

how did you get the tips off? did you re rivet them back on? what about doing their bases too, possible?

With a drill.
Yes.
I dont see why the front end wouldnt come off just the same as the end caps.  Give it a try and let us now how you went  :).

I just may [thumbsup]

Nice bike.  Very nicely done 1100S.  [thumbsup]

did you figure a place to put the stebel horn in the ducati monster 1100S?

i bought the horn thinking it was going to be smaller too, but only can see installing it under the seat.  even though it would look like a suspension component, not crazy about that location.

Not yet. 

Although I've been looking at the space at the back of the crankcase, ahead of the rear header U-turn.  Dont really wanna go there though until I finalise my exhaust system coz that area could change with a different exhaust [popcorn].

Finalize your exhaust?  So what other than the 696 midpipe??

 [coffee] [popcorn]  [evil]....

Whilst the 696 midpipe is an improvement on the clumsy flapper-gated stock M1100 item... I still wasnt completely happy with the look...  My original plan (OK... one of my many original plans  [roll] ....lol) was to fit 696 midpipe and then ceramic coat the whole exhaust to reduce some of that under-seat-heat (as I had previously done on my 696).... but ultimately I couldnt sell the idea to myself a second time round.  Some of you are well aware that I've flirted with many exhaust ideas/options........  before finally returning to convention and choosing the exhaust I coulda/shoulda had from day one.  Yeah, its somewhat mainstream and definitely not groundbreaking nor experimental.  But I'm very happy with the result and pleased to have the exhaust system finalised at last  ;D.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1270/4699050875_3fb3169118_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4699072077_0e55daf2e1_b.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1266/4699072081_09fc37a5bd_b.jpg)


Upper tank panel now painted red to better compliment these skins and also had the fuel cap ceramic coated to match the headlight bezel and exhaust tips...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4699104177_dd26e15472_b.jpg)

NICE!  Your bike is coming along... any end in sight? LOL

  When I get my 1100s, I too will get the full Termignoni exhaust, I'm happy with the looks.
 
 But, the stock style pipes with there compactness are starting to grow on me, especially when ceramic coated.

 (http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn165/dsamRus/IMG_5849.jpg)

Personal preference of course but I'm not a huge fan of silver ceramic coating treatment....  I prefer the satin black look...
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2556/3732184690_3cdf2067f0_b.jpg)


Well I guess I'll never get to call it finished, but yeah..... apart from some minor tinkering, I'm pretty close...

That undrslung exhuast looks sooooooooo much better... Gives it chunky tougher look.

Love the bike, very nicely done

Thanks ozzys4r I'm also liking the look of the under engine zorst more and more.  Seat-of-the-pants-dyno is telling me theres more mid-range grunt now too.  And..... less transmitted underseat heat, so my arse doesnt BBQ anymore either [thumbsup]

What a fun read, from beginning to end.  Great write up, fantastic evolutions.  I take it you have ADD  ;D

Thanks and yeah its a labour of love for sure  ;D

Almost done now though.....

Lovin' the new mid pipe!! 

Your bike is  [drool]!!!

 [bow_down]   [moto]   [beer]

Yea' sure... LOL.

Looking great though...

Been burning the midnight oil fitting my Waspworks PUK....  

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4862594183_01540d2129_z.jpg)  (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4862594179_043b76a58d_z.jpg)

Too cold, wet, dark and late to test ride though... hopefully at the weekend.
No, seriously.  Just about finished....  I'm going to track down a loud horn - now that I have space to fit such a thing..... and then.... I'm done.

cant wait for the results of the dyno. [thumbsup]

It would have been REALLY cool if you could have gotten a before & after dyno.  Still can't wait to see what you come up with.

that black cermaic coated stock routing looks great onthe bike that has a lot of the black parts on it, i am not one to normally like the dark look but on that one all red bike a page back it looks great.

I prefer the routing of the stock pipes, but honestly, it's hard to complain about anything on your bike - it's beautiful man  [bow_down]

I could look at this bike all day... so nice!

Dyin' to know how you like the waspworks... [popcorn]

Shit, I go on vacation and miss all this action!!!

You have got to let us know how it goes.

Man I wish they were done for 4V motors.  [drool]

I can't wait to add one of these. Please let us know how the noise level is. I love loud, but I am curious if the intake noise is that noticeable after the install.

Waspworks.  First impressions....
Sun shone today so I took the opportunity to take a test ride  [moto].  

I was hoping there'd be noticeable improvements..... but FMD  :o, this thing is a TOTAL TRANSFORMATION.  

Oh sure there is noticeably more urge in the 4000 to 6000 rpm range.  And the induction roar is so beautifully, overwhelmingly addictive it makes the sound of the Termis seem secondary.  And of course those things are nice.  Very nice.   But for me the most mind blowingly impressive improvement is in the way it now does what it does.   The motor's previous lumpiness is gone.  Not that that ever bothered me, its just that now power delivery is so totally smooth that it makes what it was before seem crudely agricultural.  Pulls like a turbine all the way to from idle until the "game over" lights chime in.  And chime in they did.  Often.  I seemed to be hitting the rev limiter more today than in all of the previous 8000kms combined.  And I wasnt trying to do so...... its just so seductively tractable that you wanna keep winding it on  ;D.   I found myself using the entire rev range more than ever before.

And remember mine hasnt yet seen a dyno, its PC5 is running with Wasp's mapping for Termi slipons with racing ECU, not specific mapping for my Termi Full system + racing Evo ECU combo.  

This then IMHO is the single greatest improvement to the bike to date.  And not for the reasons I was expecting either.  

Fanbloodytastic  [thumbsup]

Awesome. Thanks for the update.

Now, not to be a bother, if you could,
PICS PLEASE!!!!!

um... these are pics  >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg738771#msg738771 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg738771#msg738771)

you overestimate my doltish-ness. It is a common mistake.  [cheeky]

Saw your pics. I was wondering if you had pics of the bike reassembled. I am curious to see how it looks w/out the airbox.

I've been wanting to get rid of that airbox for awhile;
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27136.30 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27136.30)
 

Man, your bike has come a long way since I last checked in on it. Good work!  [thumbsup]

How the hell did you score a PUK kit while the rest of us wait impatiently!?!?

Because ungeheuer sent us this photo of himself and asked if there was any way that he could help... ;)

(http://www.waspworks.com/gallery/supertenere/CTD.jpeg)

Seriously. We needed some others local (Aus mainland) that could do the install and had different exhaust systems so we could work together and get some new maps..

We are working on a release very soon.... It IS worth the wait. [beer]

Greg.

These are probably the pics you are after.

(http://www.waspworks.com/gallery/supertenere/M1100%20WaspPUK1.jpg)

(http://www.waspworks.com/gallery/supertenere/M1100%20WaspPUK2.jpg)

We have both Red and Black filter socks available...

Greg.

Oh man! Those look great. And apparently run great.

I may need those very soon.

Definitely need that ASAP before the season is over around here!  Strangely I would like to ask: do you have gold/yellow filter socks available?  I'll go for black if not... but I'm already getting "bumble bee" comments about my bike and I might as well make it deliberate ;-)

Rock it out!  Name the price and you've got an order!

WASP kit.  There is a downside....

It made my fuel tank smaller  [laugh].

The fuel light came on today @ just 185kms, when in the past I'd get around 230kms.  

Then again, never before have I had so much fun burning so much fuel in such little distance  [evil]  [Dolph] [evil].

I remind you of your initial after test quote:

You cant have more HP and more fuel economy... [laugh]
Stop hitting the rev limiter [evil] [roll]

Pharken crash test dummies ???

Greg

I know  ;D.  I'm more than happy to be converting the additional petrol into extra HP  [thumbsup].... just sayin' the fuel went sooner, thereby demonstrating that the PC5 is indeed doing its stuff by adding fuel to match the greater air intake.  That and the fact that when you rev the flamin' nuts off it, its gonna want more fuel by way of compensation  ;).  I know it was all consumed in a good cause, so much fun now to wring it out  8) [evil].

No effin way. You cant make me  :P  ;) [laugh].

Dont mind the testin' but I'll leave the crash part to others.  Thanks anyway  [laugh].

all that space cleared up to get someone to build you an expanded tank!

Hi Unge,
I'm extremely jealous, looks great  :) Look forward to a full write-up on how the install went tho!
A couple of questions on the exhaust, do the existing termi end-cans fit the race down-pipes, or did you need to replace the full system, (I'm thinking of doing this and already have the slip-on end-cans), and are you thinking of ceramic-coating?

cheers.

There's really no need for me to write anything up.  WASP's install manual (even my pre-production version) is absolutely step-by-step foolproof.  Some words and lots of big, clear colour pictures - not like the so-called installation manuals you get from DP, Rizoma or Termignoni.

Theres no difference between the Termi cans supplied with the Termi Full Exhaust system and the Termi slip-on end cans.  But... when you order a Termi Full System.... it comes with a new set of cans......  Ceramic coating?  I was thinking about it.... but in the end decided to stick with just the end caps ceramic coated.

sorry Unge, forgot to ask:

Is the ECU the same for both the partial & the Full termi set-ups?

cheers.

Nope. Different ECUs.  Although I doubt they vary significantly. 

Soooo... if you buy a complete new set of Termi slipon cans what you get is:
1x pair of slip on cans (funnily enough, eh)
1x "racing" airbox cover (it has 3 more small holes for.... lol... better breathing)
1x "hi-flo" air filter
1x "racing" ECU (still with inputs for 02 sensors and exhaust flapper servo)

Whereas if you buy a complete new Termi Full System what you get is:
1x pair of slip on cans (identical to the slipons)
The set of larger diameter header pipes without silly flappergate
1x "racing" airbox cover (it has 3 more small holes for.... lol... better breathing)
1x "hi-flo" air filter
1x "racing evo" ECU (still with inputs for 02)

Any Dyno opportunity yet?

I'm curious to see what kind of numbers the kit puts down.  Too bad you didn't test a before/after!

Which is really all that is relevant when talking about dyno numbers.  It's just an arbitrary number otherwise.

I would have liked to see a before/after as well... :(

Feel good numbers to make me want it more

and if they're not super high, then it'll make me more comfortable with waiting alittle longer (until the kits are available).

Either way, I know it means nothing, but I still want to know. 

If you really are impatient and want something like this, the TPO air kit(pretty much same design) will work on the 696/1100.

All that you would need to do to make it work is

1. Buy a power commander
2. Make mount for all the internal electronics that are moved by removing intake box(same that that waspworks does).

If you look at the pictures of the bracket that waspworks has made you get the idea.

This is an option that I am contemplating since the ETA for release is extended right now and this one could potentially be much cheaper....

I've considered it, but from what I've read overall, it seems like there's a similar height to these, with a good bit more surface area, and wider mouth. 

What theory states, is that this should raise the midrange/low grunt, and the high-end, whereas the beasts are designed more for one or the other.

The differences are probably mild, but I've been watching this for awhile, so I might as well stick with it.  These guys put alot more work into producing these kits (dyno tuning PCVs, more machining, and creating a bracket for each application).  I'm willing to wait/support those endeavors, rather than the other, which is more of the same tools used for a new application.

The differences might be super-small/negligible, but after seeing/hearing/reading the work Wasp puts into these, it would feel wrong

Even if fitting the WASP kit added nothing to the BHP and/or Torque numbers, I think I've already indicated that the quality of the power delivery is so vastly improved that for me, its already totally justified its worth.  That said, there are numbers out there showing M1100 stock vs WASP kit = +4HP.

Charts below compare stock to various iterations of WASP kit + Termi cans/ ECU.  Interestingly, the highest number's were for WASP kit + stock exhaust & stock ECU although the Termi runs show better midrange numbers.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8GYk44zAjpmZDcwZmFmNzEtYTZkNS00N2Y4LTg1ZTctNjU3MzIxZTMzY2Yz&hl=en_GB (https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8GYk44zAjpmZDcwZmFmNzEtYTZkNS00N2Y4LTg1ZTctNjU3MzIxZTMzY2Yz&hl=en_GB)

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8GYk44zAjpmYzAzYTYzMTYtN2JiNi00OTY5LWJmNGMtMTQ0ZGNmNWIyMWMz&hl=en_GB (https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8GYk44zAjpmYzAzYTYzMTYtN2JiNi00OTY5LWJmNGMtMTQ0ZGNmNWIyMWMz&hl=en_GB)

Given 98.5HP running stock headers, I'd be expecting that with Termi Full System and flashed "o2s be gone" ECU I can do better again in the mid-range.  Maybe also top 100hp to keep you numbers freaks happy too  [evil] ;).  We'll know soon, hopefully I'll get a Dyno run in on Saturday (assuming I get my reflash issues resolved in time). 

Yes, I'll post the results  ;D.

nice mods!!!  [thumbsup] its amazing what you can do to this bikes.  ;D

Just read the whole thread...

I never knew you could dehydrate from overdrooling  [drool] [drool] [drool]

Fantabulisticulous work  [bow_down]

jvax and iRam - Thanks for the kind words  :)

Finally got my ECU reflashed to delete the stock o2s and closed loop  ;D.  I wont go into the details here, those who're interested in the LONG story can clicky here >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41934.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41934.0)

And also - in what I believe to be an M1100 World 1st - I'm pretty damn chuffed to have figured out how to setup Dynojet's AT-100 Dual Autotune option for PCV 8).  Again for those of you with no social life here's the full story >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42213.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42213.0)

So, since I have Autotune functioning so damned well..... why proceed with the Dyno I hear you ask.  Really - and after so many doubts - I dont think its absolutely necessary.  But I'm in it this deep already, might as well see what else I can learn.

What i would like to see you do is take a computer with you with a few different Autotune maps for testing on the dyno.

fixed it^

Dude you need to dyno this thing just to see what the numbers are looking like with that Autotune & everything else... good lord!  [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down]

[laugh] Thanks VF, but I do already have a wife.  [laugh] ;)
Besides, the owner of the dynocentre is doing me a discount deal to compensate for wasting a day of my life last time.  No, really.  

Do I really need to?  I dont think so.  I'm more interested in how it delivers whatever power it makes than the headline numbers.  And to be honest I am totally happy with how it performs right now.....

Unge

The dyno...

You get a hundred? Gotta getta hundred! [popcorn]

Nope.  I didnt get 100.  I didnt get anything.  Me and this Dyno are seemingly destined never to meet.  For a second time my attempts at getting the bike on the Dyno have been thwarted.  Not their fault this time.  Bugger   :( . 

Ah well, it was pissing down rain all day anyway so avoiding a very wet ride helped to temper my disappointment.....  <<  If I tell myself that often enough I just may begin to believe it.

Screw the Dyno (for now at least).

Rode all day today... power delivery is just so nice... got home and 'accepted' Autotune's (small) trims....  I couldnt be happier with how the Autotune thing has worked out  [thumbsup].

(Now... if only Rexxer can get their act together to rid me of that last little bug in the system...... So I can stand on Deck - George W Bush style - and declare "mission accomplished"  [laugh]).

please mail your bike to dallas, we have a large international airport, and i will dyno your motorcycle and see this tomfoolery you have installed.

Here is a pic of Ung's install completed. Notice how well he hid the wiring.   ;D

(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/WinSomeLoseNone/Random/clearwater-led-driving-lights-wiring-before.jpg)

deeeelicous.

OK  [thumbsup]











..wait....











is this a scam  ???

no, i mean, we really do have a dyno (well, two - one for each shop), but i can't guarantee that your bike won't end up with a few extra miles.

Two dynos? 

Please mail one of em to Melbourne, we have a large international airport, and I'll dyno my motorcycle to confirm how good this autotune tomfoolery is  [thumbsup]  ;D ;D

ha, one is being assembled at the Dallas shop, the other is in the Alvarado shop for the folks living near or about Fort Worth

Thats actually a pretty accurate depiction  [laugh] :P.   Autotune does come with a bunch of wiring...
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/large/Kawasaki_ZX6R_4905.jpg)
.... and remember the AT-100 Dual Autotune has twice as many wires as you see in this pic....

Haha, and I HATE wiring. Sounds like my nightmare.

The end is nigh  8).  No, really  ;D.

I blacked out the tank skin's air intakes....   New black EK chain and AFAM, now running 15/42 gearing (only a tiny bit lower than the 14/39, but a nicer engineering solution IMO).  Barracuda Futura LED rear turn signals (the fronts are somewhere between Italy/USA/Aus...).  Would like to get hold of Chris's (desmoworld) frame plugs... aber der Chris schlaf zu viel  ;).

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/5123154080_25edfe9aa9_b.jpg)

Yea', where have we heard that before?  ;D

are you kidding me?

end... lol...

so when are you getting the 848 SF and starting over ;)

thats correct  [laugh] ... so i go home now 01:24 am  [thumbsup]

on EICMA / Milan we show the plugs on the monster ( only Saturday/Sunday if i be there to protect them by self  [laugh] )

You're right.  I'm not finished.   I should be but I'm not.   German efficiency indeed  [roll] ;)

Noch warten  [popcorn].

I gave up on Chris @ Desmoworld and went ahead and mounted the front LED Barracuda turn signals without his blanking plates.  A rubber grommet did just as good a job at turning the elipsoid mounting hole into a round one.

And since the Desmoworld frame plugs are also milled from unobtanium, I'll live without them too.

Lowered gearing just a little more - finally settled on 15/43.

Some pics of the various incarnations to finish off with...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4757856020_05999d9970_b.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4777161746_16ccea245d_b.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4757870396_699cf81516_b.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4777168912_bf87bc8980_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5109/5852438361_81d2f3d939_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/5852983700_8afeeb0412_b.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/5852448025_8638e4599b_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5280/5852444571_ca86323273_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5852995684_1411bf735e_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2634/5852409097_ecab4d8b92_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/5852416815_3355050008_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/5852412937_7a1718c78d_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5064/5852977808_800a25ed06_b.jpg)

Done  8)

 Well done.[clap] [clap] [clap]

"done"

You could also change all the bolts on the motor to match the "gold theme" of the bike  ;D    :-X oups, :) just cost ya 300$...lol    the bike is a beauty [thumbsup]

Your bike is in my top 3 favorites That I've seen on the internet.  Wish I had the money to put all that into mine.  I'm getting Termini slipons, but would love to ceramic coat the cones black like you did.  I'd also like to swap out the triple and put some clip ons on my bike but don't know what would work best... Any suggestions?

So, whats the next project bike?  ;D

Thanks Tony. 

Thanks for the kind words.  There's a number of options re clipons, although the Swatts I used are no longer available. A number of folk have gone with Woodcraft clipons.  Use the search function to see what other DMFers have done  [thumbsup].

[laugh] Non merci! Ses complètement fait, vraiment.

I could do with some new mirrors on my DR650 if you're still feeling generous  ;D.

Done.

Only took me 14 years to get around to it  ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52786099564_c860f05416_o.jpg)

 [popcorn]

She's a beaut'   I almost pulled the trigger one 1100S that was pretty nice [but not as nice as yours]. Such a great bike. Nicely done.

 [clap]