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Title: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 08, 2014, 01:03:14 PM After a couple years of owning a monster I decided it was time to redeseign the atrocious electral loom [bang] ;D
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/Photos-0154_zpsda696e41.jpg) the original loom/battery.... 21.6 ponds And heres the Motogadget bling [drool] [popcorn] M-unit and the motorcope tiny (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/Photos-0174_zpsc4e79116.jpg) The Button for controlling all the front switch (start, light, hi-beam, etc...) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/Photos-0176_zps3c7d1b65.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 08, 2014, 01:08:28 PM Here my first draft of the connection ... very basic
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/1iermotogadgetloom_zps2d25efd8.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Speeddog on February 08, 2014, 02:29:39 PM The Button for controlling all the front switch (start, light, hi-beam, etc...) Is this a MotoGadget part? I can't find it on their site..... :( Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MAXdB on February 09, 2014, 02:18:04 PM Nice. Keep us updated!
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: JohnEE on February 09, 2014, 05:10:00 PM Is this a MotoGadget part? I can't find it on their site..... :( Here it is, it was hidden on the M unit page. (http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/electronic-control-box-m-unit/m-button/m-button.html) Interesting, it condenses the switch signals into a single bus/wire to make wiring easier.... I need to buy an extra loom to play around with... good luck ducati girl Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Speeddog on February 09, 2014, 10:03:57 PM Here it is, it was hidden on the M unit page. (http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/electronic-control-box-m-unit/m-button/m-button.html) Interesting, it condenses the switch signals into a single bus/wire to make wiring easier.... I need to buy an extra loom to play around with... good luck ducati girl Thanks, JohnEE. That's a very slick gizmo. Eventually another stack of money to Motogadget...... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: suzyj on February 10, 2014, 02:08:57 AM Hey, cool stuff!
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 10, 2014, 03:29:25 AM Is this a MotoGadget part? I can't find it on their site..... :( It's hidden in the "accesories" section of the m-unit Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 10, 2014, 03:31:10 AM M goodies are sweet. (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/570a1fae3095db106bf0eb994cc2df9b_zps3d5dbd03.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/d3cd08308a0b2d9727e4138c21ff9c91_zps88ba60b5.jpg) Really nice attention to details .. really clean [bow_down] [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 11, 2014, 06:42:22 PM A little bit of crimping is involved ;D
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_104967018025977_zpse2cf09b4.jpeg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 11, 2014, 07:02:47 PM 70% complete [popcorn]
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/1503310_10152056276658396_212963540_n_zps09477a3d.jpeg) Comparaison .... just to give you an idea old vs new (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_104979086055886_zpsb233842a.jpeg) Plus .... there some rizoma bling that came in today .... tanks Jeff !!( Monsterparts (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140211_195208_zpsdeb26274.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: monsta on February 12, 2014, 12:51:18 AM sweeet! :) [popcorn]
this'll be my next mod, give us as much detail as you you've got time to give please. even better, make me a loom while your at it and I'll pay ya! :) are you going with the M-lock as well? http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/rfid-ignition-lock-m-lock/m-lock-rfid-zundschloss.html (http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/rfid-ignition-lock-m-lock/m-lock-rfid-zundschloss.html) also... would it be possible to get a higher res version of your wiring diagram? Ta :) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 12, 2014, 04:48:03 AM Yes I'll be using the Lock .... there's a glass key the you can buy as an accessorie ... I'll put the glass key in my
helmet ... so when I'm gona put my helmet on the bike while preparing myself........ the bike will come "alive"the instant I'll put my helmet on it .........magic.... ;D [drool] Sorry for the low resolution of the plan ....I add an accident whit it :-[ I'm wathing to finish the hole thing ,and I'll re do it [thumbsup] whit the final changes. I decided to put an USB port (for my smart phone) and a 12v plug to wire my heated gloves also. Sorry also for all the misspelling ... I'm french-canadian Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 12, 2014, 05:00:01 AM The thing that I'm wandering is where to put it ???
1-in front ... I'll be using pod filter but I could keep some of the airbox to put the electronics in it ( it would be super-clean.... no wire going around the bike...... ) or 2- in the middle where the old battery use to be or 3'- make a "pan" under the seat like all the other cafe-racer [coffee] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Speedbeaver on February 12, 2014, 06:18:38 AM Keep up the good work Isa. Looking forward to go riding next summer!
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 12, 2014, 07:27:32 AM Keep up the good work Isa. Looking forward to go riding next summer! [thumbsup] [Dolph] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: caperix on February 12, 2014, 08:00:36 AM Looks great, I have been wanting to do something similar myself. Where did you source the propper connectors from?
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 12, 2014, 08:08:16 AM Looks great, I have been wanting to do something similar myself. Where did you source the propper connectors from? http://m.delcity.net/store/Deutsch-Compatible-AT-Series-Connector-Kit/p_799834 (http://m.delcity.net/store/Deutsch-Compatible-AT-Series-Connector-Kit/p_799834) [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MAXdB on February 13, 2014, 11:22:34 AM Just out of curiosity, how do you go about even figuring out where to start and how to do this?! It seems so impossible.. what sort of background do you need to understand this stuff.. i doubt it's just common sense, or is it??
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: caperix on February 13, 2014, 12:30:42 PM http://m.delcity.net/store/Deutsch-Compatible-AT-Series-Connector-Kit/p_799834 (http://m.delcity.net/store/Deutsch-Compatible-AT-Series-Connector-Kit/p_799834) [thumbsup] That looks like a very nice kit, Thanks for the link. Good luck with your project, be sure to post more pics. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 13, 2014, 05:07:24 PM That looks like a very nice kit, Thanks for the link. Good luck with your project, be sure to post more pics. Just make sure to get the wrigth crimping tool.... Deutch connectors hare very hard Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 13, 2014, 05:21:13 PM Just out of curiosity, how do you go about even figuring out where to start and how to do this?! It seems so impossible.. what sort of background do you need to understand this stuff.. i doubt it's just common sense, or is it?? WARNING ! If you dont know how to use a multimeter .... forget this project playing whit electrical stuff can be letal 1-having experience in soldering electronics is critical 2-A good knowledge about apms,volts, ohms, grouds etc... is necessairy 3-understanding AWG gages and how they interact whit the connectors and how to crimp properly..... very importat 3.2 - Be preprapare to do the imposible and alot of patience! :D 4- + have been playing in the loom for a couple of years ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Slide Panda on February 14, 2014, 06:17:59 AM I need to buy an extra loom to play around with... good luck ducati girl Hmm, I picked up an extra for my 900 a while back... hmmm. Ditching the big fuse box and some of the other obnoxious wiring would be nice. Keep up with the details ducatigirl100! Very neat Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 24, 2014, 05:05:01 PM (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-02-24194446_zps58b3727f.png)
Update [popcorn] 1-tail section 2- sensors ( oil, neutral, rear brake) 3- ingnition section ( i've used the old conectores form the coil and ignition module ) 4- front section ( horn, signal, headligth ) 5-motorscope tiny [drool] A few principle of desing 1- dont run ground in the loom because it make it bigger.... 2-Ground at the "base's" at front, midle and rear sections 3- using pods ... i'll use part of the aibox to put electronics in it making it very clean Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Speeddog on February 24, 2014, 05:08:59 PM Very cool, keep up the good work! [clap]
For a moment, I thought you drew those numbers on the floor! :-X Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 24, 2014, 05:10:43 PM For a moment, I thought you drew those numbers on the floor! :-X I actually did ... I'm blonde ;D lol Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 24, 2014, 05:25:12 PM (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/Photos-0183_zps3fd9b9f6.jpg)
the motogaget motorscope tiny is .... well... tiny :o 0.5 mm gauge ( I think... ) !!!! :o almost impossible to crimp properly so some soldering is needed to make a good connection... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on February 26, 2014, 05:36:35 PM Wow, impressive work!
By any chance, do you have a less-attractive, older sister? ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: brad black on February 27, 2014, 01:46:34 AM chicks and their wiring looms eh.
what's the weight saving? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 27, 2014, 07:36:09 AM chicks and their wiring looms eh. what's the weight saving? Total weight lost is about 15 pounds ... [bow_down] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 27, 2014, 07:45:29 AM Wow, impressive work! By any chance, do you have a less-attractive, older sister? ;D Tanks for the compliment [thumbsup] and Yep I have a sister but she is younger than me ....and she is a automotive mechanic... lol Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucDucGoos on February 27, 2014, 11:53:48 AM Total weight lost is about 15 pounds ... [bow_down] That is crazy insane!!! How much time did you end up putting into it? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 27, 2014, 03:20:17 PM (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140227_175801_zps2c9363f0.jpg)
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140227_180227_zps80183806.jpg) I'll also install the push botton from motogadget ; Simple, great looking , and the grounds are directly in the push botton "compartement" So no grouds are rooted trough the loom for the signals controls .. hi-beam left turn, horn on one side and start / righ turn on the other. The M-button green wire is the only one going through the loom Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 27, 2014, 03:33:37 PM That is crazy insane!!! How much time did you end up putting into it? What took the longest was the design of it because I add to do a lot of reaserch [coffee] Doing the crimping, soldering, whiring is about 10 hours but the desing is about 40 hours I guess.... :) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: JohnEE on February 28, 2014, 04:24:59 AM I like the m-switches...I don't know if i can like them for $138 but they are really purty. Most of the ducati ones are really bulky and stick out on the handlebars. Keep up with Pictures!
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on February 28, 2014, 04:55:19 AM I like the m-switches...I don't know if i can like them for $138 but they are really purty. Most of the ducati ones are really bulky and stick out on the handlebars. Keep up with Pictures! [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: The Mad King Pepe' on March 21, 2014, 08:05:19 AM Total weight lost is about 15 pounds ... [bow_down] I take it that includes the battery. ;) Or is the instrument cluster that heavy? ??? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: NAKID on March 21, 2014, 08:09:35 AM I take it that includes the battery. ;) Or is the instrument cluster that heavy? ??? If I read correctly, she's rewired the entire bike. Wiring is heavy and she's removed a ton of it... But yeah, I imagine she went with a LiFePo battery? That's what I did when mne needed to be replaced and saved me almost 7lbs... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on March 21, 2014, 09:29:25 AM I take it that includes the battery. ;) Or is the instrument cluster that heavy? ??? Yes it includes the battery. I didin't bougth it yet. I've just add the weigth to what I'd alredy done. I have a few options for the battery but it will be betwen 1.2 to 1.6 ponds The intument cluster whit the sterring lock weigth about 8 ponds Also.... I'll use coilpacks intead of the old 50' style coils the bike came whit ..... so I'm saving weigth because there will be no spark plug wires Title: Re: Re: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: The Mad King Pepe' on March 21, 2014, 07:13:44 PM Yes it includes the battery. I didin't bougth it yet. I've just add the weigth to what I'd alredy done. I have a few options for the battery but it will be betwen 1.2 to 1.6 ponds The intument cluster whit the sterring lock weigth about 8 ponds Also.... I'll use coilpacks intead of the old 50' style coils the bike came whit ..... so I'm saving weigth because there will be no spark plug wires Get the bigger battery: LiFePO batteries are rated as Pb equivalent, not actual Ah. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on March 22, 2014, 08:40:20 AM M goodies are sweet. (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/570a1fae3095db106bf0eb994cc2df9b_zps3d5dbd03.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/d3cd08308a0b2d9727e4138c21ff9c91_zps88ba60b5.jpg) Yo Kopf, what kind of ignition cover is that? Hot damn yer bike is so sweet... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: kopfjäger on March 22, 2014, 09:56:41 AM Yo Kopf, what kind of ignition cover is that? Hot damn yer bike is so sweet... We made this plate and coated it. (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/df70c574ab803ba38d113d156ba37947.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on March 22, 2014, 08:17:26 PM We made this plate and coated it. (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/df70c574ab803ba38d113d156ba37947.jpg) [drool] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on March 22, 2014, 08:25:44 PM Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: caperix on April 01, 2014, 05:13:22 AM Yes it includes the battery. I didin't bougth it yet. I've just add the weigth to what I'd alredy done. I have a few options for the battery but it will be betwen 1.2 to 1.6 ponds The intument cluster whit the sterring lock weigth about 8 ponds Also.... I'll use coilpacks intead of the old 50' style coils the bike came whit ..... so I'm saving weigth because there will be no spark plug wires Did you find a source for coil on plug coil packs for the Air cooled motor? The only thing I can find are Accekk coils for twin cam Harleys, and they lok a little too bulkey to fit the monster cyl head. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 01, 2014, 11:21:31 AM Did you find a source for coil on plug coil packs for the Air cooled motor? The only thing I can find are Accekk coils for twin cam Harleys, and they lok a little too bulkey to fit the monster cyl head. I'll may use car one's. .... I'm looking onto specs to find one that would work... futur update soon [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on April 01, 2014, 02:16:42 PM Those coils might stand out too far at an angle on the air cooled motor? Maybe the Exactfit will give a big spark but are still very light, much lighter than the Dynas or Accel. If you find very small/or short stick coils it would be a great find. I know the Accel from my Harley days. I wonder if MSD make something special you need? Have you checked the Electrex site?
You tell R1 that he has to treat you right or the Ducatisti Mafioso will come! ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 07, 2014, 07:10:07 PM I've got the bike back this week .... yepp... winter [bang]
I've decided to put the M-unit beside the airbox..... [popcorn] My R1 BF made the bracket :) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140407_115248_zpsb59131f1.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140407_121626_zpsc6422d17.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Duck-Stew on April 08, 2014, 06:21:53 AM I have NO idea why I'm *just now* reading this thread, but WOW! Very nicely done with everything you've done!
Having wired up 6 MotoGadget units onto customers bikes through out the years, the quality is first rate... I did use a MotoGadget Tiny once, but I mounted it where the original key cylinder went in order to leave the ENTIRE stock gauge area blank... (I hid the key cylinder under the tank.) Was a very clean installation... Best of luck with finishing it all! I can't wait to see what you do next. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 08, 2014, 09:07:45 AM I have NO idea why I'm *just now* reading this thread, but WOW! Very nicely done with everything you've done! Having wired up 6 MotoGadget units onto customers bikes through out the years, the quality is first rate... I did use a MotoGadget Tiny once, but I mounted it where the original key cylinder went in order to leave the ENTIRE stock gauge area blank... (I hid the key cylinder under the tank.) Was a very clean installation... Best of luck with finishing it all! I can't wait to see what you do next. [thumbsup] Thanks [thumbsup] I alredy add the intention of putting the tiny where the sterring lock is .... I have the M-lock also Do you have some pics of the tiny that you've installed ? [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on April 08, 2014, 04:30:51 PM I have NO idea why I'm *just now* reading this thread, but WOW! Very nicely done with everything you've done! Having wired up 6 MotoGadget units onto customers bikes through out the years, the quality is first rate... I did use a MotoGadget Tiny once, but I mounted it where the original key cylinder went in order to leave the ENTIRE stock gauge area blank... (I hid the key cylinder under the tank.) Was a very clean installation... Best of luck with finishing it all! I can't wait to see what you do next. [thumbsup] +1. Really, really impressive work Ducatigirl. Been lurking this thread for awhile now. [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MotoPsycho on April 08, 2014, 06:56:49 PM Very clean installation. I did a Motogadget Motoscope Pro on Edgar and the wiring I did looked remedial compared to that work. This gives me motivation to redo what I have.
One question though about my integrated tail light. On the M-Unit, the way it reads in their literature, the turn signals act a running lights but is configurable. That's the only thing that's kept me from getting one. Can this be confirmed ? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 08, 2014, 09:05:42 PM Very clean installation. I did a Motogadget Motoscope Pro on Edgar and the wiring I did looked remedial compared to that work. This gives me motivation to redo what I have. One question though about my integrated tail light. On the M-Unit, the way it reads in their literature, the turn signals act a running lights but is configurable. That's the only thing that's kept me from getting one. Can this be confirmed ? Signal ligths can be used as "navigation lights" On the setup menue's of the M-unit you can set them at different brigthness ex: 10% - 20% - 30 % or 0% ( default setup) Personnally I'll do the default setup because I have a motodynamics integrated tail ligth Also you can setup hazard's :) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MotoPsycho on April 08, 2014, 10:20:24 PM I found this: http://www.wirecare.com/products.asp?prodline=DPP (http://www.wirecare.com/products.asp?prodline=DPP)
Might come in handy for the next person to want to take this on. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 09, 2014, 05:47:57 AM This [thumbsup]
Deutsch connectors are great Also having a higth quality crimping tool is a must [bow_down] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MotoPsycho on April 11, 2014, 12:38:09 AM On the motoscope tiny, does is have the orange bus wire to hook to the breakout box ?
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 11, 2014, 07:59:19 AM On the motoscope tiny, does is have the orange bus wire to hook to the breakout box ? No it dosen't have it :-\ althoug it would be great to have a breakout box instead of soldering all the wires needed to connect it.... There was some crimp's in the box that it came in but I didint use them Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 16, 2014, 04:14:25 PM (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140413_142427_zpsa9d67d8c.jpg)
Now the back of the bike is cleaner :D I'm finising the installation this weekend ... so more pics to come [popcorn] Leson's learned 1-dont do the loom in advance like i did ;D 2- hook up the M-lock or key ignition first More to come..... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: lazylightnin717 on April 16, 2014, 05:59:17 PM That looks great!
[bow_down] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: duccarlos on April 17, 2014, 09:32:09 AM (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140413_142427_zpsa9d67d8c.jpg) Now the back of the bike is cleaner :D I'm finising the installation this weekend ... so more pics to come [popcorn] Leson's learned 1-dont do the loom in advance like i did ;D 2- hook up the M-lock or key ignition first More to come..... Way cleaner! Looks great! Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 17, 2014, 11:24:18 AM [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 18, 2014, 05:05:23 PM Update : [popcorn]
I've installed the motogadger motorscope tiny today [drool] The bracket from my old fluid reservoirs made the perfect bracket (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140418_112927_zpsd10e4283.jpg) Perfect palcing for the control button (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140418_181437_zps9e86253c.jpg) Final result [drool] motogadget push buttons rizoma fluis resevoirs (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140418_134622_zpsd58aed3e.jpg) motorscope tiny .... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on April 19, 2014, 04:31:17 AM That looks great!! [thumbsup] [beer]
Are the m-Switch wires showing on the right? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 19, 2014, 06:02:58 AM That looks great!! [thumbsup] [beer] Are the m-Switch wires showing on the right? The apex clip-ons dont have a hole at the end . Only a bolt Also there hare full from half to end ... [bang]. so no place to route the wires in the handlebar I pass the wires outside the clip-ons the only a small ty-rap missing to make it less visible Compremise and adaptation [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: duccarlos on April 19, 2014, 07:56:31 AM Update : [popcorn] I've installed the motogadger motorscope tiny today [drool] The bracket from my old fluid reservoirs made the perfect bracket (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140418_112927_zpsd10e4283.jpg) Perfect palcing for the control button (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140418_181437_zps9e86253c.jpg) Final result [drool] motogadget push buttons rizoma fluis resevoirs (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140418_134622_zpsd58aed3e.jpg) motorscope tiny .... [drool] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: SpikeC on April 19, 2014, 11:21:28 AM Holy moly! That's slicker than slug snot on a wet doorknob!
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: caperix on April 19, 2014, 11:41:04 AM Looks great, do you mind taking a close up shot of the M button, I am stil a little lost on how than small button opperates multiple controls & the ease of use. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on April 19, 2014, 01:47:55 PM The apex clip-ons dont have a hole at the end . Only a bolt Also there hare full from half to end ... [bang]. so no place to route the wires in the handlebar I pass the wires outside the clip-ons the only a small ty-rap missing to make it less visible Compremise and adaptation [thumbsup] Same problem I had. ;) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on April 19, 2014, 04:46:46 PM By the way, how easily are the Deutsch connectors to de-pin? I just got done with a project using AMP Superseal 1.5 connectors, and they are easily de-pinned using dental pics.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 19, 2014, 05:10:13 PM By the way, how easily are the Deutsch connectors to de-pin? I just got done with a project using AMP Superseal 1.5 connectors, and they are easily de-pinned using dental pics. Deutsch connextors hare the same ... easely done whit dental producs ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 19, 2014, 05:18:55 PM (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140419_191558_zps0d69d879.jpg)
I just like the end result Here a little vid of everyting in action ..... everyting is done except for the ignition/regularor/starter part. I'll do another video to see the M-Unit flashing its super cool ligths [drool] [popcorn] http://youtu.be/6q8cGFk-jPI (http://youtu.be/6q8cGFk-jPI) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on April 19, 2014, 06:18:06 PM Here a little vid of everyting in action ..... Awesome!!! [thumbsup] [Dolph] [beer] But...please rotate your phone 90° and re-record the video! ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 19, 2014, 06:24:49 PM Awesome!!! [thumbsup] [Dolph] [beer] But...please rotate your phone 90° and re-record the video! ;D It was the first video that i've made whit a phone [bang] [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DarkMonster620 on April 19, 2014, 06:31:49 PM and it seems you listen to good music while working . . .
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 19, 2014, 07:35:28 PM and it seems you listen to good music while working . . . [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 01, 2014, 01:32:11 PM Hommemade bracket for rizoma rearserts/ fluid reservoir combo [popcorn]
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140427_105304_zpsppcbuech.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140427_105459_zpsvdv8kasu.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140427_110513_zpsbikid18n.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: NAKID on May 01, 2014, 02:11:52 PM Looks great, but with your "OCD Lightening" problems, it seems like a bit of overkill. Certainly beefier than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 01, 2014, 03:05:34 PM Looks great, but with your "OCD Lightening" problems, it seems like a bit of overkill. Certainly beefier than it needs to be. It's made in alluminum [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on May 01, 2014, 03:33:12 PM [thumbsup] Light is right 100.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 01, 2014, 03:49:39 PM Whenever you want or feel like running away from the cold of Canada let me know . . . ;D
I've got a bike that could use such a wiring set up . . . and this, http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/motoscope-classic-1/motoscope-classic.html (http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/motoscope-classic-1/motoscope-classic.html) or, this, http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/chronoclassic/chronoclassic.html (http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/chronoclassic/chronoclassic.html) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on May 01, 2014, 04:53:24 PM Whenever you want or feel like running away from the cold of Canada let me know . . . ;D I've got a bike that could use such a wiring set up . . . and this, http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/motoscope-classic-1/motoscope-classic.html (http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/motoscope-classic-1/motoscope-classic.html) or, this, http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/chronoclassic/chronoclassic.html (http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/chronoclassic/chronoclassic.html) If I can wire one up, anyone can. (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/bandit0120001_2-1.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pompino/media/bandit0120001_2-1.jpg.html) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on May 01, 2014, 04:55:37 PM It's made in alluminum [thumbsup] You can make smaller... (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2295.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pompino/media/DSCN2295.jpg.html) ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 01, 2014, 04:58:52 PM If I can wire one up, anyone can. (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/bandit0120001_2-1.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pompino/media/bandit0120001_2-1.jpg.html) I ain't that confident on certain stuff, specially when it comes down to MY bike . . . don't ask why, I am more confident with others bikes as I am with mine for certain stuff Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 01, 2014, 05:34:10 PM You can make smaller... (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2295.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pompino/media/DSCN2295.jpg.html) ;D [thumbsup] I've seen rhis mod somewere on the DMF but I dont remember where [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 01, 2014, 05:44:20 PM Whenever you want or feel like running away from the cold of Canada let me know . . . ;D I've got a bike that could use such a wiring set up . . . and this, http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/motoscope-classic-1/motoscope-classic.html (http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/motoscope-classic-1/motoscope-classic.html) or, this, http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/chronoclassic/chronoclassic.html (http://motogadget.com/en/analog-gauges/analog-tacho-classic/chronoclassic/chronoclassic.html) Someday maybe ;D if you make some good coffee [coffee] lol Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 01, 2014, 05:52:03 PM Someday maybe ;D if you make some good coffee [coffee] lol I do make very good coffee . . . edit: don't worry about being hungry . .. got that covered too ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 03, 2014, 05:03:27 PM I've decided to let the M-Button show..... [popcorn] this will give good conversation in bike nigth's ;D
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140503_184223_zpskmtme4pm.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on May 03, 2014, 05:21:45 PM I've decided to let the M-Button show..... [popcorn] this will give good conversation in bike nigth's ;D (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140503_184223_zpskmtme4pm.jpg) That gives me a good idea for mounting my reservoirs. ..right to my Cycle Cat triple. Starin' me in the face this whole time. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on May 03, 2014, 05:24:40 PM IMHO you should stash that M-Button unit. Kinda looks cheesy after all that clean work you did.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 03, 2014, 05:55:13 PM IMHO you should stash that M-Button unit. Kinda looks cheesy after all that clean work you did. Got that I was wandering if it was to much ;D [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: kopfjäger on May 04, 2014, 01:30:43 AM IMHO you should stash that M-Button unit. Kinda looks cheesy after all that clean work you did. + no make the beast with two backsing shit!!!! :-\ Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Skybarney on May 05, 2014, 01:30:50 PM Agreed! it looks like a small capacitor got lost.
Clean instal otherwise. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: NAKID on May 09, 2014, 10:48:46 AM You can make smaller... (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2295.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pompino/media/DSCN2295.jpg.html) ;D Exactly my point! Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: memper on May 10, 2014, 04:04:40 PM Near the neck is the plate where the ignition is mounted. It's sides have a large hole in it. I wonder if your M unit fob sensor would fit in one of them.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 11, 2014, 05:18:57 AM Near the neck is the plate where the ignition is mounted. It's sides have a large hole in it. I wonder if your M unit fob sensor would fit in one of them. I tought about it but I tink I'm just gona put it underneat the top yoke Although after a lot of design I foud the most pratical place for the M-lock underneat to motorscope. This way , if there's an emergency I reach for it easselly. [popcorn] (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140510_164446_zpsukxnq5av.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on May 11, 2014, 01:57:18 PM Hey 100
Nice work. Going to use an L bracket for the brake hose junction? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 11, 2014, 02:28:29 PM Hey 100 Nice work. Going to use an L bracket for the brake hose junction? Yes it's alredy made [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 11, 2014, 02:40:25 PM Update .... heee ... advice .. lol
I tried to put the m-unit beside the airbox ... [bang] to mutch heat.. after... I've decided to put it in the back of the bike ..... the loom is as big as before [bang] Fist thing...... I'm gona get new wire's. I foud wires that are compress whit each other within a sigle wire. Second thing . I'm thinking about passing the loom trough the frame .. ?? not sure about that...... but ..... [coffee] Now for the moment, I've mounted the old loom whit a lot of the motogadget goddie's For info it took me about a day installing the motorscope and the M-lock on the original loom [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 11, 2014, 02:52:47 PM Here's for your daily fix of pics [popcorn]
Its the motorscope connector that I've made ... Next week, I 'm gona install the controls switch instead of the old clunky controls (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140511_130239_zps8f437tbo.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140511_142023_zpssox4ums9.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on May 11, 2014, 02:55:30 PM Very neat.
Nice carbon ignition cover [drool]. I got that too. ;) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MotoPsycho on May 12, 2014, 10:56:36 AM That's how I did mine with 9 strand Belden wire like this one ( http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70005090 (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70005090) ). Made a run of it to the back where power is easier to get to.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 12, 2014, 01:27:52 PM That's how I did mine with 9 strand Belden wire like this one ( http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70005090 (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70005090) ). Made a run of it to the back where power is easier to get to. Tanks . Exacly what I needed [bow_down] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on July 27, 2014, 01:45:02 PM Hi ducatigirl100,
I posted this question on a new thread but since you've done such an impressive job with all your bike's wiring here, I was hoping to get your opinion as well before I do anything permanent. I'm quoting myself below: Hi all, I've read up all the posts I could find here and elsewhere on replacing/removing the stock gauges, and anything that explains the Ducati immobilizer system. I thought I had learned what I needed to do, but I ran into a snag and wonder if anyone could help, as several members on this forum have gone this route before. I have a 2003 M800ie and want to remove the stock gauges to replace with (possibly) the motogadget tiny. I went ahead and had my local bike shop deactivate the immobilizer. There was a bit of drama but in the end they told me the immobilizer was deactivated. The ECU is otherwise stock, no new maps, and the bike drives normally. However when I disconnect the dash gauges, the bike won't start. The shop tells me this is because power is routed through the dash and I will have to 'close this circuit' and suggests I find a wiring schematic. Nothing I've read discusses this issue, and my impression was that the gauges could be removed with impunity once the ECU had a deactivated immobilizer. So did I miss something, or is the immobilizer still working? I thought of an experiment to prove my theory, I was going to 'disassemble' the RFID from one of my black keys (with a hammer) and see if the bike starts with the dash connected properly. If it doesn't, then I guess I will need to have a chat with the bike shop regarding their work. Does anyone have another suggestion before I start breaking things? Many thanks. Did you run into this when you replaced your gauges? I noticed you had posted a schematic on this thread, would you happen to have a higher definition copy that I can look at? I want to be sure before I walk into this guys shop and tell him his work didn't take. Merci bien! Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on July 30, 2014, 11:30:57 AM @thump.
I have a 1995 monster so it didin't any antitheif system and non ECU ... so the instalation was easy The wiring diagram rhat I've posted was a diagram that I've created myself for a full motogadget system whit the M-unit, M-button and motorscope tiny ... so it would be no use in your case. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on July 30, 2014, 11:34:52 AM @thump
But every mod in the world can be done ... you juste to find the whrigth wire connection I'll trie ro find the wiring diagram for your bike to give you a wire to wire scheme [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on July 30, 2014, 11:47:25 AM My first intuition would be to look at the cicuit for the sidestand ....
There's a ligth in the original gauges... the + that goe's the the ligth must be grounded...... If you remove the stock gauges the + tha goes to the sidestand warning light is no more gounded and the bike will not start .... A solution you be to groud the + wire ... to close the cicuit But I dont have the bike in front of me so it's at your hown risk Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on August 01, 2014, 06:09:48 AM OK, thanks for the suggestions. So I guess you had no trouble switching your own gauges? My first step will be to confirm that the immo has been disabled, I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks! Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on August 01, 2014, 07:39:52 AM OK, thanks for the suggestions. So I guess you had no trouble switching your own gauges? My first step will be to confirm that the immo has been disabled, I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks! I'm concerned about the; "there was some drama, but in the end they said they successfully disabled the immobilizer, I took it back and they said blah blah bs blah" Some say either; "the customer is always right" or the customer is always an @sshole". Both can be true...but the repair shop/dealer is almost always an incompetent hack, a thief, or both. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on August 01, 2014, 07:50:30 AM heh -- the drama was the job became more of an issue than he expected, I won't bore you with the details but there was no negative interaction or anything. I guess I'll see how he responds to my critique of his work.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducrider45 on August 07, 2014, 07:01:38 AM I tackled this same project back in the day! I opted for solder connections to the existing harness. I like your method. It allows for service, if needed. great job!
I actually bought the first Motogadget "classic" Sold in the US. It was sold to me directly from the factory. I got a prototype for testing. It only calculated distance in KM even though it has a selection for Miles. the aux/ warning light is always on no mater how it gets wired (NO/ NC). They offered to fix it, but I thought that it would be neat to keep it with the original software on it. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on September 26, 2014, 02:45:49 PM Near the neck is the plate where the ignition is mounted. It's sides have a large hole in it. I wonder if your M unit fob sensor would fit in one of them. I've tried it and the apex clip-ons are to close ..... and after months of feild testing it ....just below the motogadget tiny is the best place ... easy to reach ... and a sensation in bike nigth's.... lol Also, I'm working to make a full wiring diagram in PDF file ... that everybody can refer to.... cuming in a week or two + I'm start overhauling the bike in a few weeks .... the wiring will fo inside the frame ... So a lot more photo's to come [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducpainter on September 26, 2014, 04:30:16 PM <snip>...but the repair shop/dealer is almost always an incompetent hack, a thief, or both. unmake the beast with two backsingbelievable...you feel that way about Nick? I hear you sell tat equipment... you are therefore a dealer. Are you a thief? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on September 26, 2014, 04:35:40 PM Also, I'm working to make a full wiring diagram in PDF file ... that everybody can refer to.... cuming in a week or two [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: memper on September 30, 2014, 08:20:29 PM unmake the beast with two backsingbelievable... Almost alwaysyou feel that way about Nick? I hear you sell tat equipment... you are therefore a dealer. Are you a thief? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 01, 2014, 07:51:42 PM Here you go [popcorn]
I've seperated the wiring diagram in 2 parts this is the the "control" part of the wiring loom..... Controls ligths M-lock M-button motorscope tiny M-Unit (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Ducati%20900%20motogadget%20loom%20project_1_zpsyln90ylv.jpg) Here's a link to a PDF version https://db.tt/wBD9ZOCA (https://db.tt/wBD9ZOCA) I'll explain it in more detail's tomorow [thumbsup] the "ignition " will come later on in about 2 weeks Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 03, 2014, 06:28:53 AM Details
The diagram was done on my tablet so the line arent exacly strait ;D Backup capacitor for the M-Lock ... the monster is a really hard bike to start so the battery as a a big voltage drop when you press start ..... I've been using the M-lock for a couple of months now and on occasion .. the electronic would shut down while trying to start. The backup capacitor will prevent that. You can get the capitor on motogadget website (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/mlock_capacitor_1_800_zps7edynyph.jpeg) No neutral gear indicaror on the motorcope tiny...I personely have no use for that :) No sidestand kill swicht......... I just look at it before taking off ;D No oil warning ligth .... I inted to put a gauge direcly on the oil sensor and gettind rid of the ugly wire on the clutch side.... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: monsta on October 03, 2014, 01:36:39 PM great work dg100, good info... [thumbsup]
I can feel this project getting closer.... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on October 04, 2014, 03:15:12 PM Hey, thanks for posting that wiring diagram.
I got my immobilizer sorted (the shop just had to redo it) so now my stock gauges are off, the bike runs, and I just put an order in for the motoscope tiny. I hope to get it delivered and wired up before winter, I think the diagram will be a big help. Did you consider using one of the spare warning lights as a low fuel indicator? Not that the stock one works properly anyway. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: monsta on October 04, 2014, 04:30:16 PM I have a motogadget dash.
I cant get my low fuel light working. They say to use a resistor, which I have tried. But no joy I also tried a variable resistor (potentiometer) to try and dial in the correct resistance, still no joy. You being a guru and all dg100... maybe you have some ideas? ;) [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 04, 2014, 07:07:08 PM Hey, thanks for posting that wiring diagram. I got my immobilizer sorted (the shop just had to redo it) so now my stock gauges are off, the bike runs, and I just put an order in for the motoscope tiny. I hope to get it delivered and wired up before winter, I think the diagram will be a big help. Did you consider using one of the spare warning lights as a low fuel indicator? Not that the stock one works properly anyway. Great news,it got sorted out ... Hey ! That's a good idea .. [thumbsup] considering I got stranded whit "no gas left in the tank " one time this year and I add a few close calls .... ;D @Montra ... now that the idea is on the table ... I think I can sort it out [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 04, 2014, 07:17:55 PM After a first trial a couple month ago I fugure out a couple of desing "flaws"...
The loom was working properly but it didint add the"professionnal finish" that I add in mind So I put it in a box . That just a "first draft" of the box just to get the proportion/desing whrigt . The pupose of the box is that I dont want anything to come in contact whit the wires to reduce the risk of short... and it looks cleaner [popcorn] (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20141004_230242_zpsjehs2ii_edit_1412479304756_zpszfzyq2xe.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on October 05, 2014, 07:08:18 AM Nice. Where did you plan to mount that when it's done?
Did you find the stock speedometer sensor worked with the motogadget gauge, or did you need to use their sensor? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 05, 2014, 07:59:23 AM Nice. Where did you plan to mount that when it's done? Did you find the stock speedometer sensor worked with the motogadget gauge, or did you need to use their sensor? After trials and errors ... the best place to put it is at the back under the seat where the old fuse box used to be.... it's important to keep it away from the heat of the motor..... the wires will pass into the frame to go all the way up front just behind the stering I use their sensor , I've empy out the gearing that was in the original speedo at the weel... drill a hole in the speedo spacer... and fit the motogadget sensor in it ... And put sillicon on top so it's all sealled I'll take a few photos today ... but after using that speedo for a couple of months I really works nicelly Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 05, 2014, 09:57:26 AM The funiest thing is that one of my friend bougth the motorsope tiny... he as a monster and he ask a guy that is cutomising is bike ( I wont name him, ha has a reputation in Quebec ) said that it was imposible to put the speedo at front weel becose ther was no place for it .... my friend said ok and they put the speedo at the back weel... [roll]..
You sould have seen the face of my frind when he saw that I did it and the well known customiser guy coudnt [laugh] ;D So here it is ... (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20141005_132141_zpssgqzqaiy.jpg) The magnets hare place in one of the brake disk bolts ..the hole fits just whrigth... I've put 2 magnets on top of one another to get the whrigth distance so the sensor could pick up the signal (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20141005_132049_zpszbidytfm.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on October 05, 2014, 10:18:44 AM Yup, there's a grim satisfaction when you can do something the professionals can't. Nice clean work there. So you just fit the magnet inside the hexagonal opening of a rotor bolt? That would be a happy coincidence! I'll wait until my kit arrives and see what I'm faced with before I shower you with more questions.
Thanks for posting the pics so quickly! Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 05, 2014, 10:28:19 AM Yup, there's a grim satisfaction when you can do something the professionals can't. Nice clean work there. So you just fit the magnet inside the hexagonal opening of a rotor bolt? That would be a happy coincidence! I'll wait until my kit arrives and see what I'm faced with before I shower you with more questions. Thanks for posting the pics so quickly! Yes , tha magnet fit just whrigth I did enven add to put some epoxy glue on them [thumbsup] they wont budge from there!!! When I'm gona change the disk brake in the future ... I'll just take a big magnet to take them out of there Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 05, 2014, 10:30:58 AM Just tring out to get a sense of size and fitting ... Yepp.... that LFX-18A1-BS-12 shorai battery will fit..
But my 5.5 " box is a little bit big... I'll surch for a 5" box .. that area is 6" wide [popcorn] and yepp ! That one of my air clips on the helmet older... when I take of my helmet I still wana look pretty ;D (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/2014-10-05%2014.12.13_zpsn4hjjaoj.png) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 06, 2014, 07:01:33 PM I've just got myself a cicuit box at my local electronic store....
I've put the M-Unit in it .. All the wiring whit the connectors are tuck away under the m-unit There will be 5 wires that will come out of it 1-ignition 2- battery +and - 3- front headlight/ signals 4- tail ligth / signals 5- motorscope tiny wire I've made all the soldering , Y connections , 1A fuses, M-lock backup capacitor are in the box. At this point it's almost plug and play :D [popcorn] [drool] (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20141006_220303_zpsuvqnhyx2.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20141006_220501_zpsvp39yuhe.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/2014-10-06%2022.54.05_zpsn8edmza6.png) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 06, 2014, 07:17:56 PM I've also got some multi strand wires so those 5 links will be comprise in one wire for each [thumbsup]
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20141006_225502_zpsckhohyfk.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MotoPsycho on October 06, 2014, 08:03:17 PM Now what happens when you have to take the brake rotor off? :-\
Got the 2nd part of the drawing done ? I'm curious to see. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 07, 2014, 04:03:52 AM Now what happens when you have to take the brake rotor off? :-\ Got the 2nd part of the drawing done ? I'm curious to see. For the disk brake I'll take a big magnet . There not glued there so they can move . They will stick to the big magnet when I'll put it in front ... tried and tested The second part of the loom starter/ battery/ voltagr regulator/ ignition mudules, coils will come in a week or two. [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: monsta on October 07, 2014, 03:03:01 PM [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on October 10, 2014, 05:18:09 AM Spieglerusa is a trustworthy source of motogadget goodies as well.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Rudemouthsky on October 10, 2014, 07:36:36 AM Spieglerusa isn't a trustworthy source of motogadget goodies as well. Did you mean *is*? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 12, 2014, 06:35:21 AM I have a motogadget dash. I cant get my low fuel light working. They say to use a resistor, which I have tried. But no joy I also tried a variable resistor (potentiometer) to try and dial in the correct resistance, still no joy. You being a guru and all dg100... maybe you have some ideas? ;) [thumbsup] Here's the answer [thumbsup] I dont know if it was the one that you used ? A 82 Ohms, 5w resistor.... it seams that Ducati usally use a reserve indicator base on a thermistor... I found the info ont the motogadget site [popcorn] Th problem may origin from the sensor itself [bang] (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/zub_resistor82_800_zpscdzrohgg.jpeg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DucHead on October 16, 2014, 11:27:57 AM Did you mean *is*? Yikes!! I did mean "is!" ...will edit. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on October 28, 2014, 01:09:23 PM Looks like your project is still progressing nicely.
My Motogadget tiny finally arrived, they sent it by slow boat I think. It's awful pretty though. Did you end up using those Deutch connectors for those speedometer wires or did you solder directly to the loom, ie hardwired to the bike and not removable? How are the deutch connectors otherwise in terms of being weatherproof, etc? I was thinking of cleaning up some connections behind my headlight now that it will be more exposed behind this little speedometer, so I'm looking for smaller connectors and to remove what is no longer needed. Fun autumn project ahead. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 28, 2014, 05:19:29 PM I've solder the tiny , tiny .... well very tiny wire's from the motoscope to some bigger wire's after that I've crimp them to used a Deutch connector. 'I've put a rubber protector over the soldered wires. After that, from the conecctor ....I've soldered some Y connections to the original loom
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/Photos-0183_zps3fd9b9f6.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140511_130239_zps8f437tbo.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/20140511_142023_zpssox4ums9.jpg) I got myself an extra control button to control the fonctions on the motoscope and I've istalled it in the hole on the top yoke . After a couple of month's of use I must say that it's andy to have it there (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20140418_181437_zps9e86253c.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 29, 2014, 03:26:45 AM Looks like your project is still progressing nicely. [popcorn] we whant picutres!! My Motogadget tiny finally arrived, they sent it by slow boat I think. It's awful pretty though. Did you end up using those Deutch connectors for those speedometer wires or did you solder directly to the loom, ie hardwired to the bike and not removable? How are the deutch connectors otherwise in terms of being weatherproof, etc? I was thinking of cleaning up some connections behind my headlight now that it will be more exposed behind this little speedometer, so I'm looking for smaller connectors and to remove what is no longer needed. Fun autumn project ahead. Deutch connectors are not that big I've sean bigger type of connectors and smaller ones to ... but tje Deutch arr easy to work whit. There's a couple of good vids on You tube that describe how to use them [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on October 30, 2014, 04:56:49 AM Thanks for the helpful tips and pics. I got started yesterday after studying and drawing out the wiring for a bit. I'm no electrician so that took awhile. First step was to change the stock triple clamp, get rid of the old gauges and the resistors on the LEDs that I no longer need thanks to the m-flash. Once I get the flashers working again I've got to cut a bracket for the tiny speedo.
Since I'm not changing the whole loom as you did I need to clean up some wires behind the headlights cuz they're no longer going to be hidden behind gigantic gauges. Hmm. Maybe figuring out how to upload a photo should be my next task. Off to create a photobucket account. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on October 30, 2014, 05:39:01 AM Here we go.
The bike: (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b487/Thump1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsaa520519.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/Thump1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsaa520519.jpg.html) The problem: (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b487/Thump1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps2665b5fb.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/Thump1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps2665b5fb.jpg.html) Stuff pulled off: (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b487/Thump1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa8200a5c.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/Thump1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa8200a5c.jpg.html) New triple clamp, much cleaner. (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b487/Thump1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7e1505cd.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/Thump1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7e1505cd.jpg.html) That's all I got so far, but it's a start. I'm thinking of mounting the tiny slightly off centre on the triple, towards the right. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 30, 2014, 05:48:27 PM That look's geat [thumbsup]
[popcorn] For the moment I've tuck most of the wires behind the stering stem between the air box Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: MotoPsycho on October 30, 2014, 05:53:04 PM Since I never used the switch your left index finger reaches on the backside of the switchgear for the headlight flasher
("your bright lights are on idiot!" switch), I used that for the function switch for my motoscope. It failed eventually so I run a baby toggle next to dash. (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s236/grubbywarrior/F9E117CE-54B4-430D-9615-B44D84B9DD20-2439-000002A9E2DDF71E.jpg) (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/grubbywarrior/media/F9E117CE-54B4-430D-9615-B44D84B9DD20-2439-000002A9E2DDF71E.jpg.html) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: kopfjäger on October 30, 2014, 07:54:39 PM (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Ducshop028-1.jpg)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Ducshop029-1.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 31, 2014, 04:45:52 PM [thumbsup] those's hare.very nice [drool] [popcorn]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: thump on October 09, 2015, 11:13:02 AM Hi Ducatigirl,
Just a quick thanks for your help regarding the tiny. I put up a few pics of the end result, here's how she looks now: (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b487/Thump1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdsewok3g.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/Thump1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdsewok3g.jpg.html) The tiny is sitting just above the right headlight. Works perfectly, with the stock speedo sensor no less! Much appreciated. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: SpikeC on October 09, 2015, 03:03:16 PM Very cool result!
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on October 11, 2015, 01:17:56 PM Hi Ducatigirl, [thumbsup] [drool]Just a quick thanks for your help regarding the tiny. I put up a few pics of the end result, here's how she looks now: (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b487/Thump1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdsewok3g.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/Thump1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdsewok3g.jpg.html) The tiny is sitting just above the right headlight. Works perfectly, with the stock speedo sensor no less! Much appreciated. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 13, 2016, 03:09:19 AM Ok... time to do this old tread a favor [popcorn]
It all began I I was inspecting the valves clearence ...... than my husband enterd the room and said " You migth as well redoo the head and change your old piston rings"....... In my opinion he was tired of riding whit me and breathing the distinctive puff of smoke and the burn oil smell fragrence of my bike ..... [laugh] it goes like this..... ho what the heck.... I migth as well change the valve seal... I migth as well clean the cumbustion chamber I migth as well overhaul the heads I migth as well change the rings I migth as well change the base head gasket and .....why not ........redoo the entire motogaedget loom ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 13, 2016, 03:22:14 AM Here a couple of pics of the mayhem [popcorn]
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160409_123520_zps1cqpb0to.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160410_190311_zps9wgn9rxt.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160410_204359_zpsxenlm8bb.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Slide Panda on April 13, 2016, 05:46:49 AM Oh boy! More photos!
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 13, 2016, 12:43:08 PM Oh boy! More photos! [popcorn] The first step was to run all the wires needed along the bike so I could figure out the exact placing of the M-Unit and the legth of all the wires (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160410_190300_zps69qxswwv.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: He Man on April 13, 2016, 06:04:38 PM What gauge size are those wires?
Im doing the motogadget Munit mod on my bike too. except its EFI. Its a bit more of a nightmare. (http://s9.postimg.org/cl178mz8u/DSC06376.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 13, 2016, 07:59:13 PM The wire size goes from 14 to 16 [coffee]
14: Everyting that as a continius 12v charge on it ... headligth Hi-beam Signals ground (for the previously mentioned) start (to selenoid.... yepp you have to keep the original selenoid) 12v backbone (from the front to the back of the bike... so you can plug some devices on it .... like a USB adaptor or heated grips , accesories and more ) Ground backbone 16: Everything that as less potential to overheat controls horn Sensors ( that migth be a little bit to big ) 22-24 The Y connections that goes from the loom to the motorscope tiny the connections to the M-lock and the M-Button These size may be a little bit overkill but the main purpose is to have a reliable loom. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 13, 2016, 08:13:30 PM Step 2
After figuring out how mutch wire is needed. I've put some protective sleeving on the middle section of the loom before puting all the connectors .... its a lot easyer that way [popcorn] Once everyting is setup I'll take out the original loom at the last minute .... keep the old loom as a "just in case .. ;D" (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160410_204409_zpsehsl5m9y.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 13, 2016, 08:23:48 PM What gauge size are those wires? [thumbsup] Im doing the motogadget Munit mod on my bike too. except its EFI. Its a bit more of a nightmare. (http://s9.postimg.org/cl178mz8u/DSC06376.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: He Man on April 14, 2016, 09:05:56 AM The wire size goes from 14 to 16 [coffee] 14: Everyting that as a continius 12v charge on it ... headligth Hi-beam Signals ground (for the previously mentioned) start (to selenoid.... yepp you have to keep the original selenoid) 12v backbone (from the front to the back of the bike... so you can plug some devices on it .... like a USB adaptor or heated grips , accesories and more ) Ground backbone 16: Everything that as less potential to overheat controls horn Sensors ( that migth be a little bit to big ) 22-24 The Y connections that goes from the loom to the motorscope tiny the connections to the M-lock and the M-Button These size may be a little bit overkill but the main purpose is to have a reliable loom. ahh. I just made my order for some wire yesterday. I went with Teflon over PVC or Silicone for durability and size. Im using the following (16AWG) 35W HID headlight (18AWG) for every other lights ( i have all LEDS all around) (20AWG) for relay switch side. Basically my plan was to power key and use it as a switch to unlock the M unit, which then the AUX output is used to power a relay that allows current to flow from the battery to the fuse box. From there i distribute the power out to ECU and EFI system. The rest is taken care of by the M unit. Everything I own is LED, so the current draw is very minimal, hence the most important thing to me is the durability of the wire coating which is why i went teflon. (its also thinner by far compared to Silicone and PVC). Looks like you have a tidy wire setup. Let us know how it goes! Where did u order ur M UNIT from anyway? i havent bought mine. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 14, 2016, 04:45:21 PM Nice plan ! [thumbsup] It seams to make alot of sense
Using the existing key is a good idea .... since you will still need the stering lock ..... I have the M-Lock ... but I still neede the stering lock .. [bang]..... I'm tring to convice myself that the M-Lock is cool to justifie the 200$ spent on it [roll] As for the size of the wire I've could used smaller wires ... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 14, 2016, 04:48:41 PM I got the M-Unit from germany from the motogadget site ...... it took 1 month to get it !!!!
You can order it from Revival cycles instead .... top notch services these guy's are great [thumbsup] I've orderd someting last year and it was stolen in the mail .. and they've replace it ... [bow_down] and also check their youtube chanel .. alot of motogadget infos there... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: He Man on April 14, 2016, 07:27:37 PM i have to use the key because mine is chipped and i dont feel like spending $300 to unlock it. [laugh] [bang].
I saw the revival cycle video actually, its pretty straight forward. Hopefully I can get my munit soon. I will be done wiring the EFI in 2 more working days. [evil] did you find any wires with black soot on yours? my injector wire and starter button wires were black!!! Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 14, 2016, 07:58:35 PM I have a carby one .... so no black soot in the loom ...... but de cumbustion chamber and the pistons are another story [laugh]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 15, 2016, 06:13:46 PM Starting to look more clean .... progresing
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160415_220824_zpszvzi5pj8.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 15, 2016, 06:18:01 PM The agony of the old loom ;D [popcorn]
I think it's still breathing ;D (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160415_202801_zps482unocr.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 17, 2016, 03:05:17 AM I,ve made a bracket using the existing fuse holder.... it just seams it as to go there [popcorn]
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160416_163112_zpsoibyzkbo.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160416_170313_zpsxvj1gd4o.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160417_065527.png_zps31v6qebv.jpeg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Mhanis on April 17, 2016, 06:11:59 AM I envy your ability. [bow_down]
Mark Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DarkMonster620 on April 17, 2016, 09:20:16 AM I envy your ability. [bow_down] You're not alone . . .Mark Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 17, 2016, 02:47:50 PM I envy your ability. [bow_down] Mark Tanks [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 18, 2016, 04:37:56 PM The rear part of the loom is complete.
The baterry cable is on. I've put a rubber (taken from an old spark plug cable rubber ) ...on the 12v bolt of the battery to prevent any short. ... All the M-Unit connection are intalled .... all the grounds are bolterd under the original fuse braket so it looks more clean. One of the problem of the M-Unit is the connection points . The wire have a tendency to get loose. So I've put a wire older betwen the M-Unit and the Deutch connector. When everyting is gona be complete 'I'll take some electronic purpose sillicone or somthing like that to insulate all the conneting bolts on the M-Unit .... again to prevent any shorts ont all the +12v and also the prentent any screws to get loose. .. (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160418_165146_zpsbnqvpp7k.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Pinion on April 21, 2016, 04:27:58 AM beat me to the punch, using the rfi switch as well, nice one
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 21, 2016, 01:45:31 PM beat me to the punch, using the rfi switch as well, nice one I've been using it for the last 2 years ..... I never add any issue whit it. It work really weel. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 21, 2016, 05:36:36 PM I'm starting to work on the heads tomorow ..... there quite ugly ;D
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160418_101531_zpsxjke87bs.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 21, 2016, 06:18:00 PM I add to change plans.
After testing everyting I found that the M-Unit was hot after 30 minutes or so.... I'ts a sign if bad grounds. I've made another bracket made out of steel (actually my husband did ) because the original bracket of the fuse box is made of alluminium and the wires that have made where not sufficient to properly ground the M-Unit. The M-Unit has holes for the bolts that have to be direclly grounded to the frame. I took the paint off the brackets on the frame and I bolted a L shape bracket (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160421_105435_zpst0ir4i8z.jpg) (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160421_135728_zpske4uaey7.jpg) + I've added a push button on the bracket to be able to scroll to the menu of the M-Unit wherever I' am. If I'm stranded somewhere It could be usefull to have access to menu of the Unit. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on April 21, 2016, 08:19:09 PM I'm starting to work on the heads tomorow ..... there quite ugly ;D (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160418_101531_zpsxjke87bs.jpg) [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 22, 2016, 08:04:25 AM Grocery's fot the heads and pistons
[popcorn] (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160422_120421_zpsuu44w3lz.jpg) Cost ; 4x valve cover gaskets 18$ 2x intake gaskets 2$ 8x half rings for the valves 24$ 2x base gasket 14$ 3× o-ring for the oil galley's 4$ 1x o-ring (small) 0.6$ 2x sets of piston rings 45$ (from J.E. pistons....OEM are 276$/ sets [bang] ) 8x circlips for the piston pin 21$ 1× set of timing belts 150$ ( [bang] ) 2× valve seal intake 7$ 2× valve seal exaust ( the green ones) 17$ Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on April 22, 2016, 09:46:57 AM Didn't know you had JE hi compression pistons. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 22, 2016, 05:25:29 PM Head number one after 8 hour of work [clap]
Not moto gp quality but it will do ... (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160422_212358_zpssfmtjifv.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on April 22, 2016, 07:40:08 PM [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 23, 2016, 12:24:18 AM Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on April 23, 2016, 02:04:14 AM You clean up the ports?
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on April 23, 2016, 10:21:37 AM You clean up the ports? Yes and polish to . ... Now that's moto gp quality [drool] (http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l517/jfran745218/Mobile%20Uploads/20160423_142143_zpsjaigtsp9.jpg) Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: pepeducat on April 23, 2016, 11:43:38 AM Good job [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 01, 2016, 03:34:18 AM Advice needed [bang] [laugh]
I've done the horizontal cilynder and it's superb. But I've begin the vertical head. I've shim the intake properly but the cams do not turn over completely. Even when I push direcly on the valve it seam to block.... there's some sort of mecanical unterference When theres no shims the cam turn over completely whitout blocking but the second I put shims on it just block when I try to turn it ?? My guess.... Unproper rebuild order? Starting whit the wrong valve intake -first or exaust first? Unproper shims ( closing shim to spec but just to big... to high in my words) ? Is there a starting point for the cams (point if reference ) to start the process ? Half rings (chanel lock for the valves) seated but on the wrong side .... if theres a side ? [coffee] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Speeddog on May 01, 2016, 07:55:17 AM ~~~SNIP~~~ My guess.... Unproper rebuild order? See below *. Starting whit the wrong valve intake -first or exaust first? Doesn't matter, you can start with either. Unproper shims ( closing shim to spec but just to big... to high in my words) ? If the closing shim is too big, the cam will only turn when that valve is open Is there a starting point for the cams (point if reference ) to start the process ? No Half rings (chanel lock for the valves) seated but on the wrong side .... if theres a side ? The half rings do wear, slowly. Inspecting the half rings closely, you can see wear on the inside part from the valve, and the outside from the closer shim. [coffee] * Are you using the same shims as it had before cleaning? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 01, 2016, 08:48:47 AM Tanks for all the advice
All the half rings are new On the horizontal cylinder yess.... but since I lap the valves I add to miss match them to get them to fit ... I also bougth a few... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Speeddog on May 01, 2016, 09:31:00 AM Try assembling with just the closer shim on one valve, and all rockers in position.
Confirm closer clearance, and easy cam rotation for a full 360 degrees. Then do the opener shim on that valve. Repeat until done. Sometimes the half rings will jam in the closer shim, and not seat all the way. Usually that's an issue only with 7mm closer shims. Some of the newly manufactured half rings have a burr on one end from the cutting operation. Inspect closely and dress off the burr as necessary. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 02, 2016, 07:32:54 AM Try assembling with just the closer shim on one valve, and all rockers in position. Confirm closer clearance, and easy cam rotation for a full 360 degrees. Then do the opener shim on that valve. Repeat until done. Sometimes the half rings will jam in the closer shim, and not seat all the way. Usually that's an issue only with 7mm closer shims. Some of the newly manufactured half rings have a burr on one end from the cutting operation. Inspect closely and dress off the burr as necessary. Tanks . I'll have to whait for the weekeed to do that bit I tink you solve the problem .. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Speeddog on May 02, 2016, 09:01:39 AM With all new half-rings replacing worn ones, that will reduce your closer clearance all by itself.
How much reduced depends how worn the old ones were. Lapping the valves increases closer clearance. So for shims you're pretty much starting from something fairly close to the ones you had before. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 13, 2016, 04:08:35 PM The heads hare done ... finish !!! [bow_down]
Now to my next problem I've order the rings for the high comp piston from JE . Also, I want to order the rigth set of pistons .... doe's someone have the JE part number ? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on May 15, 2016, 01:38:16 AM I will look at a JE box tomorrow. I saw the piston kit on the JE site recently msrked for Ducati 904cc.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 16, 2016, 08:13:58 AM I will look at a JE box tomorrow. I saw the piston kit on the JE site recently msrked for Ducati 904cc. Tanks ... I was planing on saving some money tinking the rings would fit the stock pistons.... nah ... it dosen't work [bang]... because of the L shape compression ring ... and all the rings are to loose [roll] Now I have to get the hole kit ! [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 16, 2016, 08:19:18 AM ~~~~ this WAS the way to go from the beginning . . .Now I have to get the hole kit ! [popcorn] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 16, 2016, 09:43:15 AM this WAS the way to go from the beginning . . . Sadely... now I know [bang]..... [shot] If I look at it on the positive side....I'll those High-comp pistons [drool] Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on May 16, 2016, 02:41:34 PM I thought you had JE pistons. Yes may as well buy the whole kit now.
How much were the rings? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on May 21, 2016, 04:42:14 AM [popcorn]
If you are changing to hi comp pistons you should retard the ignition at least 3 deg and use premium fuel. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 24, 2016, 06:09:44 PM [popcorn] If you are changing to hi comp pistons you should retard the ignition at least 3 deg and use premium fuel. Tanks, I've read somewhere there was some ping issues but I did not look into it . For now I'll have to wait for a month or two to have the money to get the pistons ...... I'll lost almost all the bike season .... Montreal -Canada... yess it's snows here in the winter.... ;D I'll put on my running shoes and run instead for this summer...lol ;D Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: koko64 on May 24, 2016, 06:20:27 PM You can retard the ignition at the pick up coils or use an Ignitech and programme a map. It is easy to do with the Ignitech software and a lap top. I have map numbers you can use as a base line for the Ignitech.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: Slide Panda on May 25, 2016, 04:23:10 AM Oh, and higher compression pistons will generate more heat. So just be mindful of that. Probably not so much of an issue in your cooler, northern climate though.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: fch99 on June 29, 2016, 09:20:23 AM Details The diagram was done on my tablet so the line arent exacly strait ;D Backup capacitor for the M-Lock ... the monster is a really hard bike to start so the battery as a a big voltage drop when you press start ..... I've been using the M-lock for a couple of months now and on occasion .. the electronic would shut down while trying to start. The backup capacitor will prevent that. You can get the capitor on motogadget website No neutral gear indicaror on the motorcope tiny...I personely have no use for that :) No sidestand kill swicht......... I just look at it before taking off ;D No oil warning ligth .... I inted to put a gauge direcly on the oil sensor and gettind rid of the ugly wire on the clutch side.... Major props for the work you've done here - I'm starting to collect the parts and do a similar project to my S2R 1100. Did you choose an oil warning light gauge that goes directly on the sensor? I'm interested to know which one - for the moment, mine is non-functional which 99.999% of the time is ok, but that one time... Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducatigirl100 on July 06, 2016, 12:05:29 PM Major props for the work you've done here - I'm starting to collect the parts and do a similar project to my S2R 1100. Did you choose an oil warning light gauge that goes directly on the sensor? I'm interested to know which one - for the moment, mine is non-functional which 99.999% of the time is ok, but that one time... I didin't botter whit the oil warning ligth ... because yess 99.9999% of the time it's ok.... but from what I know I tink it would take a resistor in order to make it work but I dont know how mutch Ohms it would have to be . I just didin't do the full research on that :-[ Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ghostridermonster on February 23, 2018, 09:41:22 PM I have a 2016 ducati monster 821, I'm swaping my stock gauge with the motoscope mini guage. The bike has 3 different modes, Tour, Ubran, Sport.
Are these modes related to the stock guage in any way, will I lose the capability to switch between these modes with the moto scope guage installed? or Will I still be able to switch between the modes without the display showing which one I am in? Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: rbrdky on December 09, 2018, 01:09:54 AM Soooooooo much extremely valuable info in this thread. But the pics are all gone! Anyone know what happened to the original poster and her pics? This stuff is priceless.
Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: stopintime on December 09, 2018, 02:00:18 AM Soooooooo much extremely valuable info in this thread. But the pics are all gone! Anyone know what happened to the original poster and her pics? This stuff is priceless. Google photobucket - they demand payment for us to display pictures on forums. Title: Re: Motogadget loom project Post by: ducpainter on December 09, 2018, 01:59:27 PM Google photobucket - they demand payment for us to display pictures on forums. Actually, I think she moved/deleted her pics. She also deleted her account here. Not sure why.There is an extension you can add to Chrome that will show P-bucket pics. I have it, and they don't show up... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-hotlink-fix/kegnjbncdcliihbemealioapbifiaedg?hl=en |