Ducati Monster Forum

Can I use rear sets from any different model? It seems the s2r has limited aftermarket rearsets available when compared to other models

No, they're gonna need to be made for that model. Possibility same year 1000 or S4 (?)

http://www.monsterparts.com/c/Controls-Foot/Controls-Foot.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/c/Controls-Foot/Controls-Foot.html)

Rizoma
http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/FR-80-PE202/Controls-Foot/FR-80-PE202.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/FR-80-PE202/Controls-Foot/FR-80-PE202.html)

Sato Racing
http://www.satoracing.com/rearsetss4r.htm (http://www.satoracing.com/rearsetss4r.htm)

And, AELLA, the best one IMO.
http://japan.webike.net/products/153224.html (http://japan.webike.net/products/153224.html)

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These three are properly designed.

DON’T BUY Gilles tooling rear set in any case. (improper design that would restrict rear swingarm movement. Too flimsy construction. )


CNC Racing
http://cncracing.us/prodDetail.asp?ID=9 (http://cncracing.us/prodDetail.asp?ID=9)

Ducabike
http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/PRM01D/Controls-Foot/PRM01D.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/PRM01D/Controls-Foot/PRM01D.html)

 These two, I don’t know the detail. You will need to check their construction if you are interested. (the area around the swing arm pivot bolt AKA foot peg mounting bracket bolt).

Do you want them for bling or function?

I ask because some of them, mainly the Japanese, are actually forward from stock. Others can be up and rear, but by various numbers.

AELLA

4-position

1) same as stock position
same as stock height, 10 mm forward
10 mm up, 10 mm forward
20 mm up from stock position

Baby Face (Sato Racing)

4-position

15 mm up from stock position
15 mm up, 10 mm back
25 mm up, 10 mm back
25 mm up, 20 mm back

de LIGHT

4-position

same as stock
same as stock height, 15 mm forward
15 mm up, 15 mm forward
30 mm up from stock position

AGRAS

4-position

20 mm up, 10 mm back
30 mm  up, 10 mm back
20 mm up, 20 mm back
30 mm up, 20 mm back

I wouldn’t say they are bling parts just because they don’t move your feet far back and high from stock position.
(The rear set that would move three inches back and two inches high are the story of the 70s and the 80s. )

With Monster, particularly S*R bikes, what you want is

Better foot peg bar (sharper knurling, as the stock one is too slippery)
FIxed type (non-folding) foot peg bar
Move foot pegs slightly higher, NOT necessarily drastically backward

Try to find someone who has those kit on their bike and ask to sit on it.

DON’T BUY Gilles tooling rear set in any case. (improper design that would restrict rear swingarm movement. Too flimsy construction. )





Do enlighten me. I'm not sure how I see this as being possible.  

The swing arm pivots on a rod...which the rear sets' bolt to.  I have Gilles on my S2R and have had zero problems, or swingarm movement restriction.

Actually, the swingarm shaft is connected with the swingarm and they rotate together on bearings in the engine cases.

The rearsets don't move, so there must be clearance between rearsets and swingarm. Gilles made a mistake on their original design and corrected it by adding a spacer of some sort to avoid rubbing. I don't know how succesful they were.

Apparently, many of the after market parts companies (as well as the owners of S*R Monsters) did not know about this rather unique design of swing arm pivot / foot peg bracket mounting of the S*R bikes.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=31180.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=31180.0)

Old thread, but worth reading for all S*R bike owners.

(And Stopintime did great job contacting Gilles tooling directly, and let them admit their mistake.
On the other hand, I contacted OPP racing, Hard racing , which were(still are) the US vendor back then (around 2009), then got completely ignored. I have never seen Gilles / their supplier officially announced about this issue.

Other than that, their rear set is too flimsy. They do flex, under the load (rider's weight). And I weigh only 130 lb. with full gear. Go figure.

I want for comfort , I need them back a bit more. Right now I can can't on the balls of my feet just my heels. Long legs...

I was told if you don't have stock exhaust that the 749/999 sets would work on the SR has anyone heard of this?

I don't see how they'd work. (?)

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Good point!

AFAIK, Gilles and Rizoma offer most rearward adjustment.

I'd say The Gilles Tooling were likely the best rearsets I ha next to CycleCats. I've had both sets of DucaBikes, Gilles and CycleCat's.

I likely had the Gilles that were redone to fit the S*R series. Fit really really well, it didnt flex under load and I'm 170lbs and offered the most adjustability besides the CycleCats.

If you can find a set of CycleCats get'em they are a gem to own and use. 

I have CNC Racing, and I love them.  I think their design really compliments the S-R bikes:

http://cncracing.us/prodDetail.asp?ID=9 (http://cncracing.us/prodDetail.asp?ID=9)

Just to clarify about the Gilles Rear set design flaw.

Take a look at the Ducati’s official parts book.

http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts-online.com/media/downloads/2005/Monster/MS4R_Eu_2005.pdf (http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts-online.com/media/downloads/2005/Monster/MS4R_Eu_2005.pdf)

Go to the page 134, and look at the diagram.

Then, take a look at Rizoma rear set kit diagram. (example of properly designed kit)

http://www.mikemo.org/bikes/manuals/PE202.pdf (http://www.mikemo.org/bikes/manuals/PE202.pdf)

And then, take a look at Gilles Manual, as of 2016.

http://www.gillestooling.de/uploads/manual/VCR_D02_manual.pdf (http://www.gillestooling.de/uploads/manual/VCR_D02_manual.pdf)

Yes, it is still the same design as back in 2009, (around the hole where the pivot bolt (also acts as foot peg bracket mounting bolt) goes in, as you can see, there's nothing. The bolt directly goes on foot peg bracket) which WILL restrict the rear swing arm movement, which will spoil your bike’s handling, and in a long run, will cause wear / damage to the pivot.

Also, the “wider range of adjustability” is a moot point, because of the shifter lever design, the “actually usable” range is limited. (In other words, if you move the foot peg more than certain amount, you will end up shift lever too high / too low, the heel of the boots touching the exhaust pipe, etc.)

Most importantly (to OP), can you trust the product designed by the “engineers” who couldn’t figure out the suspension (swing arm pivot) construction? And the company who keeps selling the products with design flaw? And the supplier who would not support at all ... Are you willing to pay your hard earned money for such product?

Good points, I only noticed alittle flex when i lift off the seat hard.
I was refered by HR to Gilies and was sent bushings. I guess HR's patience wore thin after a while? I was under the impression Gilles now includes these bushings standard.
You are right the proper thing would be to open the holes up and have the full depth bushings. Not sure i notice any handling issuses, maybe Im just not manhandling it enough?
I did have my rear brake master end up at its most rearward adjustment. I  ordered a longer brake rod, JIC. I seem to be the only one who had this issue?

I just discovered this problem with my Gilles rearsets on my S2R1k.  It gets even worse when the pivot axle begins to rust and locks solid onto the anodized aluminum of the rearsets.  I was feeling a sluggish rear suspension and then began hearing loud cracking sounds from the swingarm area.  I thought I was going to have to replace swingarm bearings, but after a closer look, it was obvious that the Gilles rearsets were locked solid on the pivot, causing the cracking sounds with the slightest movement of the rear suspension.  Definitely a major design flaw, since the swingarm pivot rotates with the swingarm.  Wish I had noticed this when I bought them.  I will probably end up milling the bore out and putting some Garolite bushings in.  Sucks.

Update -

I came up with a decent solution for the Gilles S2R footpeg problem.  The main issue is that the exposed portion of the steel swingarm axle will rust and eventually make its way into the anodized aluminum bore of the footpeg body.  I cleaned up the rust and made a 3D printed grease sleeve with two orings that will isolate the parts from exposure and keep them greased at the same time.  The sleeve can rotate freely between the pegs and frame while keeping a minimal squeeze on the orings.  The only downside was that the dimensions between the frame and pegs is not exactly the same on both sides, so the parts would most likely have to be made custom for each bike.  Still an issue for Gilles, but at least mine should work fine for now.
 
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