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Title: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on November 28, 2017, 09:14:59 PM
Im over the previously much loved clutch chatter. Got an NGR (did EVR take over them?) 12 tooth basket, TPO springs and keepers, Vee Two billet drum, Corse Dynamics Ti bolts and oem alloy plates on my old M900. It's not too loud compared to many around, but Im over the noise. My former Hyper had a Nichols basket and I have found those baskets to be very quiet due to the tight tolerances.
So, are the EVR 48 tooth baskets by their design, substantially quieter than the 12 tooth baskets you have run?
I dont want to use the friction plate at the base of the stack trick because I am unsure of any long term effects on the bearings from the lateral load.
Your thoughts and opinions appreciated.
Cheers.


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: Duck-Stew on November 29, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
From my experience, both quieter and longer lasting.  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on November 29, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
Thanks DS.
Thinking about it, the load is spread over 4x the tabs. I have found the Nichols baskets very quiet with oem alloy plates, but the complete EVR kit at MW currently costs less than just the Nichols basket on its own. Not bad at all.


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: BK_856er on November 29, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Pro-Cutting baskets are evidently also tight-tolerance and relatively quiet.

I was faced with the same 12/48 dilemma when I needed a new slipper for my 749s.  Opted for the 12T because I already had the tools + spare plates and probably more folks at the track with 12T in case of emergency.  This was a few years ago.  Have 48T continued to gain popularity?

BK


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on November 29, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
I guess the popularity of 48 tooth baskets is slowly building, but I've not seen one over here since I dont work on alot of Ducatis. Afaik, only STM and EVR make them. The guys here might see a few.
I really like the workmanship in Nichols products and like you I have plenty of 12 tooth plates to choose from. On the other hand when Motowheels has the full EVR kit at under $300, it's hard to go past.


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: BK_856er on November 29, 2017, 08:22:21 PM
Seems like you have our permission to go 48 and be sure to report back!    ;D

BK


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on November 29, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Looks like I will be testing an EVR48T on a 944 Superlight with open clutch cover. Will let you know.


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: stopintime on November 30, 2017, 01:30:17 AM
http://wagnerlewis.com/     8)


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: itsamonster on November 30, 2017, 02:06:01 AM
I’ve got an EVR 48 t slipper (about 1.5 yrs)
I went for the sintered plate variant as opposed to organic plates.
It started to notch the basket ( i know it would to some degree) When i looked into it, some info suggested sintered were steel plates and organic were alloy and quieter and less prone to notching the basket.
Don’t know how true this is?.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/168fx1x.jpg)


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on November 30, 2017, 02:43:37 AM
http://wagnerlewis.com/     8)

Yowsa 8)


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on November 30, 2017, 02:45:10 AM
I’ve got an EVR 48 t slipper (about 1.5 yrs)
I went for the sintered plate variant as opposed to organic plates.
It started to notch the basket ( i know it would to some degree) When i looked into it, some info suggested sintered were steel plates and organic were alloy and quieter and less prone to notching the basket.
Don’t know how true this is?.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/168fx1x.jpg)

Yes, steel plates are very hard on an alloy basket.
Pretty quiet compared to stock?


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: uglyducky on November 30, 2017, 08:25:51 AM
i just picked up a 48t STM racing slipper clutch. I can't wait to see how she does on the rs.


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on November 30, 2017, 11:45:38 AM
Let us know how she goes. [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: itsamonster on December 01, 2017, 10:09:42 AM
Yes, steel plates are very hard on an alloy basket.
Pretty quiet compared to stock?
Hard to say. It seemed quieter when first fitted , but i suppose it’s gradual the noise increase as it starts to notch the basket.
If the info is true, that organic plates are alloy, then with hindsight i would have chosen that option. I wasn’t aware at time of purchase.  [roll]


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: danaid on December 02, 2017, 01:18:03 PM
  Just bought a organic plate, EVR slipper 48T for my Monster and just the 48T basket and sintered plates for my 1198 that is already equipped with a slipper clutch, this past black friday sale.  I went all in on the 48 tooth clutch design, I know many people who have this setup and are very happy.

 


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on December 02, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
Thanks. Less clatter?


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: danaid on December 02, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
Thanks. Less clatter?

 Slightly less but also different tone. My Monsters Clutch pack has become noticeably louder with a new "ding-ding" bell sound i'm hearing, at little over 10K miles. I'm really wanting the slipper action more than a less quiet clutch..





Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: itsamonster on December 02, 2017, 04:39:04 PM
Slightly less but also different tone. My Monsters Clutch pack is has become noticeably louder with a new "ding-ding" bell sound i'm hearing, at little over 10K miles. I really wanting the slipper action more than a less quiet clutch.
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So can you clarify for the record,as you have both, are EVR sintered plates steel and organic plates ally?
Thanks.





Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: danaid on December 04, 2017, 09:22:06 AM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4515/24961148768_78ee93cafc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/E2JpTW)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/E2JpTW) by daniel prudhume (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149239890@N05/), on Flickr

Magnet stuck to a sintered plate

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4556/37946967265_013ddbfcae_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZPf8ji)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/ZPf8ji) by daniel prudhume (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149239890@N05/), on Flickr

 No attraction to the organic plate, definitely some type of aluminum


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: koko64 on December 04, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
I reckon that steel plates on steel baskets will ring like a bell. Steel baskets do when you tap 'em with a spanner.


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: itsamonster on December 04, 2017, 03:55:31 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4515/24961148768_78ee93cafc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/E2JpTW)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/E2JpTW) by daniel prudhume (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149239890@N05/), on Flickr

Magnet stuck to a sintered plate

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4556/37946967265_013ddbfcae_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZPf8ji)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/ZPf8ji) by daniel prudhume (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149239890@N05/), on Flickr

 No attraction to the organic plate, definitely some type of aluminum

Thanks for taking the time to test both types. I really wish i’d had the info before buying. I thought i was doing the right thing buying sintered and it would be a harder wearing setup. Never even gave it a second thought that different metals could have been used. So i’ve actually ended up with steel plates on an ally basket. I would have definately gone with organic plates, so that it’s ally plates on an ally basket.  Ffs! [bang]


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: danaid on December 04, 2017, 07:47:01 PM
Thanks for taking the time to test both types. I really wish i’d had the info before buying. I thought i was doing the right thing buying sintered and it would be a harder wearing setup. Never even gave it a second thought that different metals could have been used. So i’ve actually ended up with steel plates on an ally basket. I would have definately gone with organic plates, so that it’s ally plates on an ally basket.  Ffs! [bang]

 Did you notice rough engagement with your sintered clutch plates? Stock basket? I chose organic plates and a slipper clutch because my monsters shifting, clutch engagement have never smoothed out. I also bought Oberon slaves for both bikes to try to tame the beasts a bit! 

 My 1198 has a smoother transmission and clutch engagement so I was mostly wanting more durability, so I opted for the sintered plates and basket. At my last track day I pushed the bike hard, I smelt clutch plates and brakes at the end of the day..


Title: Re: Who has tried a 48 tooth clutch?
Post by: itsamonster on December 05, 2017, 03:13:07 AM
The bikes an s4rs with complete EVR 48t slipper kit ( bought as a clutch package inc sintered plates and ally basket).
It works fine on the road and isn’t harsh at all. Occasionally when launching hard it will give a kind of screech noise.
It’s also got the oberon slave.


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