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Title: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 17, 2020, 02:00:29 PM
FP2

11   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   1'38.125s   17/20   287k
2   ^15   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.027s   4/19   285k
3   ^7   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)*   +0.125s   16/19   288k
4   ˅3   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +0.244s   6/20   288k
5   ^3   Pol Espargaro   SPA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.247s   17/19   290k
6   ˅3   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +0.265s   16/19   289k
7   ˅5   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.471s   20/21   285k
8   ^3   Johann Zarco   FRA   Reale Avintia (GP19)   +0.485s   16/18   290k
9   ˅5   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (GP20)   +0.489s   10/19   292k
10   ^8   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP20)   +0.500s   5/18   290k
11   ^3   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +0.562s   17/19   286k
12   ˅3   Iker Lecuona   SPA   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   +0.691s   15/18   284k
13   ^8   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Ducati Team (GP20)   +0.711s   15/17   290k
14   ˅7   Alex Rins   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +0.720s   19/21   290k
15   =   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +0.779s   10/18   286k
16   ˅11   Joan Mir   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +0.808s   16/19   289k
17   ^3   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   +0.879s   9/19   285k
18   ˅12   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (GP20)   +1.031s   15/16   290k
19   =   Tito Rabat   SPA   Reale Avintia (GP19)   +1.056s   18/20   286k
20   ˅7   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +1.097s   17/18   283k


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 17, 2020, 02:41:09 PM
It’s gonna be really hot all weekend


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 17, 2020, 02:53:51 PM
Can't wait :D


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 17, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
Ducati top speed is obvious, but tyre life in the heat with all that power I'm not sure.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 17, 2020, 03:55:31 PM
Ducati top speed is obvious, but tyre life in the heat with all that power I'm not sure.
Only Petrux has had issues with tires the past few years


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: lazylightnin717 on July 17, 2020, 05:45:39 PM
Zarco's race pace in FP2 was consistent. Hopefully he can put together a decent qualifying lap


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: caperix on July 18, 2020, 05:06:11 AM
Any information on tv broadcasting? I can not find it listed on biens schedule.
(Edit) looks like bien lost to broadcasting in the US to NBC sports, unfortunately it does not look like NBC will broadcast all classes & qualifying like bien used to do.  I know video pass is an option, but that is a lot of extra money.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 18, 2020, 08:22:05 AM
QUALIFYING RESULTS

POS   RIDER   NAT   TEAM   TIME/DIFF   LAP   MAX
1   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   1'36.705s   7/7   285k
2   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.139s   6/7   285k
3   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +0.157s   7/8   290k
4   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP20)   +0.250s   7/7   295k
5   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (GP20)   +0.748s   3/6   293k
6   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +0.749s   6/8   290k
7   Pol Espargaro   SPA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.788s   5/6   289k
8   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (GP20)   +0.830s   7/7   293k
9   Alex Rins   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +0.931s   6/6   289k
10   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.969s   7/8   285k
11   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +1.036s   6/8   285k
12   Joan Mir   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +1.079s   6/8   287k
    
Qualifying 1:                   
13   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)*   1'37.396s   6/7   286k
14   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Ducati Team (GP20)   1'37.423s   6/7   288k
15   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1'37.434s   7/8   287k
16   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1'37.94s   6/7   286k
17   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   1'37.964s   3/7   287k
18   Bradley Smith   GBR   Aprilia Test Rider (RS-GP)   1'37.966s   6/6   288k
19   Tito Rabat   SPA   Reale Avintia (GP19)   1'38.029s   6/8   290k
20   Johann Zarco   FRA   Reale Avintia (GP19)   1'38.106s   3/7   291k
21   Alex Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)*   1'38.256s   6/8   288k
22   Iker Lecuona   SPA   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   1'38.512s   2/6   287k



Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 18, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/939913/1/rins-hospitalised-after-huge-shunt-doubt-spanish-motogp-race


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 18, 2020, 08:48:48 AM
A rough weekend for Rins. Baulked by MM which made qualifying go the long way, and now a fracture and dislocation to the shoulder avoiding Jacks cras


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 18, 2020, 10:24:05 AM
https://youtu.be/KWUTNorC5yw


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2020, 04:12:53 AM
That MM save 😳


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2020, 04:38:37 AM
Wow, after cutting through the field to almost get back to 2nd, the bike punts him to orbit and he might be hurt. This race has been a soap opera for MM


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2020, 04:41:50 AM
MM carted to the medical center


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2020, 04:42:32 AM
Congratulations Fabio!!


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2020, 04:44:42 AM
And Dovi actually podiumed in Jerez!!


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 19, 2020, 04:46:56 AM
What a cracker of a start to the season. That wrist looks bad.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2020, 04:57:36 AM
What a cracker of a start to the season. That wrist looks bad.
He took a beating. Not sure if shoulder, arm or wrist, but I don’t think we’ll see MM on the bike next week :(


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2020, 04:59:48 AM
But we can’t take anything away from Fabio. He dominated that race. No mistakes and just pulled ahead. I can tell you that MV is not going to try this soft front next week if the conditions are similar to today


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 19, 2020, 05:05:16 AM
I doubt it too, but he's a tough little bugger.
Dovi did a great salvage job, as a good tyre manager.
Jack will be gutted after riding a good race.

Yeah, Fabio will have a story to tell the kids and grandkids of his Covid maiden win.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: bdfinally on July 19, 2020, 06:54:08 AM
Official Repsol Honda release.

"Marc Marquez suffers broken right humerus in Jerez

A fall at Turn 3 while fighting for the podium has resulted in a broken right humerus for the reigning World Champion, who will travel to Barcelona for surgery.

After mounting an incredible comeback in the Spanish GP, Marc Marquez suffered a high side at Turn 3 and came down heavily on his right arm. As a result, the eight-time World Champion has suffered a transverse diaphyseal fracture to his right humerus. MotoGP medical staff have confirmed there is no other serious head or thoracic trauma but will remain under observation for 12 hours.

Marquez will travel to the Hospital Universitari Dexeus in Barcelona on Monday, July 20 and is aiming to be operated on by Dr Xavier Mir and his team on Tuesday, July 21st.

Recovery time is as yet unknown, the Repsol Honda Team will provide an update after the operation."

Not his injury, just a x-ray of sample transverse diaphyseal fracture. He ain't racing next week.

(https://prod-images-static.radiopaedia.org/images/3012469/31c5ace3db16b0a500516126765514_gallery.JPEG)


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on July 19, 2020, 08:09:00 AM
After his turn 4 save I would have sworn the man was not human.

I hate to see him prove his humanity by getting injured. That was a vicious high side, and he got punted by the bike to boot.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 19, 2020, 09:42:29 AM
Unbelievable, is all I got.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: Grampa on July 19, 2020, 09:48:29 AM
Turn three is now known as Roswell.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: bdfinally on July 19, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
Corner that finished Doohan too.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 19, 2020, 12:34:28 PM
“Marc Marquez has suffered an injury it seems from a direct impact of the tyre to the right arm,” said MotoGP traumatology specialist Dr Xavier Mir, “resulting in a fracture to the shaft of the humerus, a complete fracture, although it isn’t completely displaced, with some possible paralysis of the radial nerve, although we’re not certain.

“This injury has been immobilised here for when they decide to move him to Barcelona to carry out a definitive treatment.”


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 19, 2020, 12:44:16 PM
https://youtu.be/JSsASqBgtuQ


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: bdfinally on July 19, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
Odds he'll be back at Austria?


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 19, 2020, 02:19:44 PM
https://youtu.be/91ePTMM36Fk


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: lazylightnin717 on July 19, 2020, 03:16:26 PM
Insane to see his save, watch him cut back through the field and then fly to the moon. That kid has got some kind of talent.

Bravo for Fabio. He also is a tremendous talent.

Great show of maturity and capitalizing on points by Dovi.

Anyone else see Rossi just kind of get the heck out of the way of MM?


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: Speeddog on July 19, 2020, 11:20:22 PM
Same old line that we've heard before...
Can't win the championship in the first race, but sure can lose it.

Good to see Fabio getting his first win.

Everyone on the podium looked like they had indeed been baked at 300 degF for 40 minutes.
I do not closely follow the training of those 3, but seeing all of them so absolutely fried is remarkable.
Really small track with MotoGP bikes and furnace conditions.

I was surprised that Jack didn't burn off a tire real bad, he did well almost finishing ahead of Dovi in a tire-critical race.

Lots of good things being said about Binder.

We have wrapped the first race.
Everyone knew what the schedule target was, 13 races in 18 weekends.
MM out with a broken arm.
Rins biffs it and crushes his shoulder.
Cal breaks his scaphoid, and I don't think he's got many fvcks to give, he'll go home and play with his daughter.
There is a not-small chance all these guys could be done for the season, if not for good.

Marc's arm break was ugly.
As he and the bike slid into the dirt, he dug in and slowed down, bike did not.
So it tagged him with the spinning front tire.
Unforced error.
I'm not an ortho, but the riders are basically doing a pushup with a bulldog backpack on for near every corner.
Are Dr. Mir n Co doing immediately fully load bearing repairs?
My hot take is he's out til at least Austria #1.
Quick study of a few previous years has found high correlation between giving up ~30 points in the first two races and finishing the season outside the top 10.

Petrucci bounced hard, but soldiered on to do OK considering the heat and riding a Duc.

This is quickly becoming a war of attrition, so those who don't hit the deck a lot or at least bounce well could do handsomely.
But usually Cal and Marc bounce really well so maybe that's off the table.

Oh yeh how fvcked is HRC right now Taka 10th Alex 12th oops that's it.
Taka's on a plain vanilla '19 so of little to no use to furthering the HRC cause.
Alex has no credibility to speak of at the moment.

I'm considering a small wager on Tito.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 19, 2020, 11:27:31 PM
With that in mind, 1/4, Mav and Dovi have their best chance  unless Jack or one of the Suzuki boys steps up.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 19, 2020, 11:35:16 PM
What's the prognosis on Rins?


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: bdfinally on July 20, 2020, 04:04:27 AM
D. Emmett's take on Marc

"He landed heavily, but that was not the worst of it. On his way through the gravel, the wheel of his Honda slammed into his right arm, snapping his humerus, the bone in the upper arm. The damage was so severe that he is to be taken to the Dexeus Institut in Barcelona for surgery to put a pin in the bone to hold it together. There is a fear there could be nerve damage too, though the doctors won't know until the initial swelling and bleeding subsides in the damaged tissue around the break. They will only really know the full extent of the damage once they have Márquez open on the operating table.

In the best case scenario, Márquez is out for four to eight weeks. In the extreme case, Márquez might try to come back for Austria, or perhaps even Brno, though he is unlikely to be able to ride to anything like his full potential. A more likely scenario is he is back for Misano on September 13th. Either way, he would have missed somewhere between two and (more likely) five races in the season. The championship is out of the question for Márquez. His title defense never got off the ground.

In the worst case scenario, Márquez has nerve damage as well as a fractured humerus, and requires surgery and a long period of rehab to try to reverse the damage. That would rule him out for the entire 2020 season, and in the most extreme case, threaten to end his career.

It wouldn't be the first time his career was under threat from injury, of course. In 2011, Márquez crashed on a wet track when marshals at Sepang failed to wave the yellow flags in time when there was water running across the track. Márquez crashed, suffered nerve damage in his eye, and had surgery to correct the problem. It took him four months to be certain he would race again."


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 20, 2020, 06:46:33 AM
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/07/20/dovizioso-there-were-three-times-where-i-almost-gave-up/334484


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 20, 2020, 06:50:54 AM
Short video of MM returning to Barcelona.

https://www.motogp.com/en/video_update/2020/07/20/marc-marquez-lands-in-barcelona-ahead-of-surgery/334515


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: bdfinally on July 20, 2020, 01:32:30 PM

This is quickly becoming a war of attrition, so those who don't hit the deck a lot or at least bounce well could do handsomely.
But usually Cal and Marc bounce really well so maybe that's off the table.

Oh yeh how fvcked is HRC right now Taka 10th Alex 12th oops that's it.
Taka's on a plain vanilla '19 so of little to no use to furthering the HRC cause.
Alex has no credibility to speak of at the moment.

I'm considering a small wager on Tito.

Fabio didn't go down much last year did he?


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 20, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
I don’t believe so. Neither did MV


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 20, 2020, 04:03:00 PM
https://youtu.be/uLwvrn-vwY4


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 20, 2020, 06:20:16 PM
Naughty teenage boys on GP bikes, what could possibly go wrong? [laugh]

Plenty of future talent for the premiere class. [thumbsup]



Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: bdfinally on July 20, 2020, 06:41:36 PM
I don’t believe so. Neither did MV

had to look, Dovi 4, Mav & Fabio 6 ea, Marc 14  [beer]


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on July 20, 2020, 08:06:04 PM
Naughty teenage boys on GP bikes, what could possibly go wrong? [laugh]

Plenty of future talent for the premiere class. [thumbsup]



It’s quite possibly the best series.  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on July 23, 2020, 04:21:06 AM
He broke his arm on Sunday and now is getting ready to ride this weekend.


https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/07/23/marc-marquez-passed-fit-to-ride-at-the-andalucia-grand-prix/334662


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: yamifixer on July 23, 2020, 08:04:56 AM
He broke his arm on Sunday and now is getting ready to ride this weekend.

How is this even possible?


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: lazylightnin717 on July 24, 2020, 01:55:15 PM
How is this even possible?

Head games. He doesn’t want the others to even think of beating him.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 24, 2020, 01:59:07 PM
Must be some serious Ti hardware in that arm. To smash the same injury surely would be career ending if the metal cuts nerves or shatters bone. These guys are driven..


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on July 25, 2020, 05:02:41 AM
Marc out of the race tomorrow. Did 1 lap in Q1 and pulled straight in.

https://www.motogp.com/en/twitter_update/2020/07/25/breaking-news-marcmarquez93-will-not-start-tomorrow-s-andaluciagp/335579


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: Speeddog on July 25, 2020, 06:25:12 AM
Makes him look a bit stupid.


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on July 25, 2020, 06:46:11 AM
Makes him look a bit stupid.
He doesn't have the ability to not try.

In years to come he'll understand our perspective. ;)


Title: Re: Spanish GP Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on July 25, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
He'd be gutted. He would have believed that he could do it by sheer force of will.


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