Ducati Monster Forum

I'm super excited to pick up a 95 900 in the coming weeks.  I had a few newer Monsters but always wanted to score a nice OG carbd bike.

I'm hunting for a period-correct, low mount (stock location) aftermarket exhaust but I'm not 100% sure of who made systems in the 90s.

Termignoni, FBF, Arrow? who else? 

Does anyone have a fitting system for sale?

Thanks!

Maybe GPR .... they have period correct products.

DesmoWorld used to have a short piece that angled the cans a little, but from stock height.

Before Termignoni, Ducati's aftermarket (often Ducati Performance) manufacturer was ......(trying to remember).

MIVV has cans. I’ll search for headers.

https://www.mivv.com/en/moto/ducati/monster-900/1999-2002-monster-900/

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264646670492

SilMoto high or low stainless megaphones, period & supercool.
GioCaMoto, rare 90`s, loud.
Supertrapp ss megas, loud.
Conti alu oval, looks like original.

Pretty sure most European makers active then had something for Monsters.

Remus?

Thanks for the info guys.  I think I found NOS Termi slip ons. 


Sorry for the rookie questions, but is this a stock header or aftermarket?  I think the stock has an x?


Yea, I had a Ducati Performance system on my M1000 and it was made by Remus:
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On standard pipes the X join is under the bike where each cylinders pipe meet and are diverted to each side to the mufflers. The X is a stamped part. The stock pipes actually work very well. Great that you found Termis. I ran Termis, Remus and Staintune pipes on my last few Monsters. Please show us pics with the pipes fitted.

Thank you for the info!  My header is good, just need some mufflers.  I'm looking for both really nice stock and an aftermarket set.  Do you know if the carb and FI 900s use the same mufflers?  I'm getting conflicting info - sellers don't seem to know.

I have seen carbed M900's and M900ie use the same low mount Termis, Remus, Staintune, Arrow and Leo Vince. Sometimes a minor adjustment of brackets is required, but otherwise fit ok. Note this is the range of low mount 1993 - 2001 900 models. Stay in that range and the odds of pipe crossover are good. To clarify, with Termis the Ducati Performance pipe kits will have a different part number because the carbed kit could come with a jet kit while the ie bike would get the same pipe with a DP ECU. The earlier, and rarer, pipes were round, but oval pipes featured later.
Some aftermarket mfrs will list a range of year models for their pipes and let that guide you when searching for used parts.
Parts often do the rounds between customers, for example, Termis from a 1995 M900 fitted a 2001 M900Sie and a 1998 M750. Old school round Termis fitted my 1999 M750 and my 1994 M900. Termis and Staintune low mounts are one piece while Leo Vince have a joint pipe giving more wriggle room.

Thanks again, this is very helpful.  I'd hate to spend good money for something that doesn't fit and will be hard to sell.  The round ones are cool - any difference in sound between those and the newer oval units?

The old school round mufflers are louder for sure 8).

Round ones f sure louder.
My second setup, Supertrapp megas w open end caps, were brutal.
My present, SilMoto high mount ss round, quite loud and meaty, looks & sound the business IMHO.
Round carbon have the bassiest sound, you really can't go wrong w classic round carbon Termis
or similar on any Duc.

Awesome, I dig the deep sound.  I don't get people putting the shorty cans on Monsters - too raspy. 

I managed to buy a nice condition round carbon Termi set on eBAY.  They were fitted to a 99 Cromo so I assume they will fit my 95.  I also saw a FBF Forza titanium set for a good price but the Termis are my ideal.  I live 30 min from the (old) Ferracci facility so I'll always be a fanboy.

They'll sound great. Make sure you post a pic of them on your bike. ;D

Will do!  My bike and pipes should arrive around the same time, ha.  Bit cold right now tho.  Gives me plenty of time to read up on what I can do next...

Hey Guys,

I took delivery of round, baffle-less Termis.  I bought them from a credible eBAY seller who seems to have a lot of hard-to-find Ducati parts.  Other than stickers, do they have branding anywhere else?  They have "Only for race use" and the letters D and M at the clamp.

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I would love to browse this ebay seller's store  8)  Can you share a link?

You need to send him a set of correct stickers... [laugh]

Seller: https://www.ebay.com/sch/mukeidou/m.html?item=265030555396&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562


Are the stickers wrong?  The seller got this system on a used bike, cleaned it up and added what they claim to be genuine stickers.   

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_ssn=mukeidou&store_name=MUKEIDOU&store_cat=14711867016

I know the site. I look for FCRs there.

No, the stickers are factory.

Stopintime might have pics of some stickers I made for him some years ago.

Look legit to me from down here. In beautiful condition. Maybe re-lacquered? I had an alloy pair.

Ok got it!  I'm a M900 noob, so I've been reading this forum a lot - thanks for keeping it going.


Yea, they are pretty much as new condition.  So nice I got paranoid about them not being authentic - ha!  The seller says they recondition parts as best as possible - the stainless was definitely polished out nicely.  Not sure about the CF.  

The stickers were made as a comment to Termignoni's pricing of the exhaust + DP ECU packages. Everyone wanted to buy the ECU as the 'only' proven plug & play tuning at the time. They wanted to buy any exhaust they wanted to combine with the ECU, but Termignoni refused. Sold as a kit only. For too much money.

Not a great picture, but it's what I have (PC being repaired)

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[thumbsup] ;D

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Ha!  Make sense, those ECU packages are crazy expensive.

Hey Guys,

Silmoto still offers a spaghetti header for M900.  (carbon megaphones too...)

Will I need to alter the carbs to run the header properly?  I won't do any other performance mods - I just want an interesting-looking/sounding exhaust.  I'm not too concerned with bang for the buck as this is a bucket list bike/project.  (I did search before asking)

Thanks!

Running a stock airbox? Literally completely stock besides the exhaust? I'm guessing possible fuel changes. Worth checking the Silmoto site to see if they recommend tuning for that pipe.

My guess is it will run fine with the stock jetting...maybe a little lean. That said, other than being blingy, you won't see any advantages from the system without tuning.

With the spaghetti it will be lean and loud.

+1 size for main jets was recommended IIRC.

Thanks for the info guys.  I'm into the bling for sure...

Getting closer!

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Oooh, fancy. :D

Really nice!

Thanks guys! 

Do you think a DynoJet Stage 2 jet kit will do the trick? 

Hard to say.  The big restriction in the stock exhaust is the crossover, mufflers not so much.  Stage 2 (I think) will get you close enough to be able to ride the bike without much oh a problem.

koko64 to the red phone!

I think the bigger jets in the stage 2 kit suit open airboxes and pod filters . May as well run an open airbox, K&N or BCM filter and then the stage 2 kit. I think for pipes only and a stock airbox you could use a stage 1kit and use the larger jets in the kit. Or get the stage 2 kit and use the smaller jets in it.
If you have the budget, buy some Keihin FCR flatslide carbs instead of the jet kit [evil]. The oem carbs are a pretty bad choice for that motor imo. It's a pity, as the motor is misrepresented by the carburation.

https://power-barn.com/keihin-fcr-carburetor-kit-1991-2002-ducati-750ss-900ss-and-m900-monster/

Fun to spend other people's money, eh? ;D

I agree with Koko about the jet kits. You don't need stage 2 unless you open the airbox.

If you decide to swap to Keihins, be prepared to lose the starting circuit, and learn a whole new starting procedure. I have flatslides on my Monster, thanks kids, and since putting them on it's a PITA to start. That said, it's sweet to ride.

Vicarious pleasure. ;D
Pricey though. Powerbarn sell them new for the same price for used out of Japan.

Just rebuilt oem carbs for a mates DB4 [drool]. Jets, needles, diaphragms, road testing, disassembly and reassembly all add up for sure. He's saving for FCRs.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1998-900SS-Final-Edition-Carburetor-Set-39mm-Battery-Case-High-Throttle-Insulato/265203449295?hash=item3dbf5b7dcf:g:1RYAAOSwHlxg0K5c&pageci=e07b9f9c-bd32-4cba-b1be-a0ee09ce960c&redirect=mobile

These are used and still require the purchase of airbox or pod filter adaptors. There were four or five pairs I was watching but someone just bought most of them.

Mikuni option from Kamna
https://www.ducati-kaemna.de/kataloge/ducati/mikuni-tdmr40-vergaser-kit-fuer-ducati-900-m-ab-1993.html

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the info.  I'm now tempted by the Power Barn kit...

The difference to engine response is worth it. FCRs do need correct set up and there is plenty of assistance here for that.

I'm going for it, just waiting for Power Barn to confirm availability.  Should be fun!

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The common thinking is 39's for a stock motor and 41's for a worked motor (or one that will get work). There are those that disagree with this line of thinking and some is just down to personal preference. The 41's give more WOT power through the range and the 39's give more partial throttle response. But the difference in response with either will highlight how much of a bottleneck the stock carbs are.
I work on a blueprinted 944 Superlight with hi compression pistons, hotter cams, porting, modified airbox, etc and it runs 39's and feels sensational. I have run similar worked 900/944 motors with 41's and they were sensational.
To get the most out of them its good to run an open airbox or pod filters. The K&N DU 0900 filter or RU 0800 or RU 1750 pods work well. The Powerbarn kit comes with a filter and nice velocity stack shaped alloy air box adaptors. The blue velocity stacks are just for pornographic purposes ;D

You should start an FCR thread when you get them. [thumbsup]

He's fallen into the rabbit hole now.

All hope is lost.

 ;D

It's all your fault...friggen enablers. [laugh]

Here to help. [laugh]

So how's it going? Powerbarn come through?

Well, slowly :-)

The title I received was endorsed in a way Pennsylvania would not accept so I'm waiting on a new one - should be another 3-5 weeks.  The header and pipes are on and the carbs will be here and installed next week.  A backorder with K&N caused a delay with Power Barn but Mike kept me updated throughout the process.  My local Ducati dealer is doing the carbs - they have a tech who really digs/knows the carb bikes.

Great to hear its progressing. FCRs have been scarce lately, so I've been sourcing used parts from Japan.
Mike is very helpful. [thumbsup]

Any updates on the outcome? How does she go?

Ol girl has been stranded, waiting on a title for 3 months now but it should be here soon.

My local dealer recently installed the carbs so I'll ride in soon.  They claim it runs as it's supposed to but they warned me about the quirks that come with these carbs.  I can't wait to get it rolling!

I now need to find some simple bar-end mirrors!

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Looks great. What size carbs did you go with in the end? Did the shop tune the carbs? What quirks were mentioned?

I ask because the carbs are often delivered with inappropriate jetting for size of the carb or for a 900.

Thanks!  39s as Mike @ Power Barn said they are better for torque.  I do a lot of city riding with some burb and scarce highway riding.

Quirks - more of an on/off experience with a less manageable idle.  I'm honestly winging it, so we will see soon!

Cool. Keep us updated.:)

I think that's a good choice. My view is that part throttle torque and throttle transition response is better with the 39's. I like the 41's for a maximum effort motor build.

I'm curious as to the tuning solutions the tech used. Will you be running a stock or open airbox? I'm currently working on a Superlight with 41's. Off the top of my head the last two sets of FCR's were on M750's with 39's, before that three worked M900's with 41's and previous to that a worked, blueprinted Superlight 944 with 39's.
I kept all my data from road and dyno tuning. :D

Will do.  Looks like I'll have my title in 1-2 weeks.

I got the stock airbox kit.  Not sure about tuning.

Got my title at 8PM last night - got it registered, insured and inspected by noon today.  Rode it about an hour around the city and it was pretty great.  The intake makes a weird whistle at WOT but the overall intake noise still wins.  Is that common with the airbox mod?   

I hope to ride it more in the coming days.   

I need bar-end mirrors ASAP, the stockers are no bueno.  Black 80mm Spy-R are likely.

FCRs can twitter like a nest of sparrows in your airbox at certain rpm.
An open airbox resonates with the sound of gulping air that sounds pretty fierce.

Ok, rode the bike about 60 miles around the city today.  LOVE IT.  The whistle is a little weird but at WOT the rest of the carb sound is all that matters.

I picked up this survivor with ~600 original miles.  The local dealer added the header, pipes and FCRs while waiting for the title.  I now need to clean it up, add bar-end mirrors and sort the droopy right pipe.    The left engine cover has some corrosion from the slave taking a shit so I might try to sort that in time.  Oh, I need to do something about the mudguard...I'd never cut the frame and I'm cool with the beer tray.

I've had a few big cc air-cooled Monsters and I think this is my fav yet!


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Very nice, very clean example. [thumbsup]
More pics please, especially the exhaust and header pipes. Are they the spaghetti pipes you mentioned? They look a lot like the 45mm DP type. Are they the Sil Moto ones in the previous pics?

Thanks!  I've been looking for one of these for ages - I still want a 1993 but this will hold me over until I find one. 

Yep, Silmoto(r) as posted upthread.  They don't have a website but their Facebook is active.  I sent them a FB message and the rest was history.  This is the same legacy design but TIG-welded beautifully.  500 euro.  They have a high mount design as well. 


They also have megaphone silencers for 600 euro.  Were they available back in the day?  I was a high school kid when this bike was new, so I'm not fully up on the aftermarket.

https://www.facebook.com/SILMOTOR

The carb/exhaust combo should let the motor rev out nicely. I had a 94 model with a worked motor, it was gorgeous.
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That looks awesome!

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With the flatslides those grey plastic pods can be removed. There is one small screw underneath holding each one.

Have at least the front brake lines changed if they are original. Was pumping the brakes on a 95 model recently while bleeding them and a large blister appeared on the front line :o

Nice!  Replace those brake lines with steel.  Great upgrade.

Oh yeah, low and himount available, still have the ss hi on mine, gorgeous and oh so brutal sounding.

http://www.ducatistas.com/foros/index.php?PHPSESSID=2mghk3eigd4cjoqtu71fhpdjs2&topic=79300.10

Good call on the brake lines.  I'll look into that.

I think I'm going to order the Silmotor megaphones next...they look awesome.

Just so you know, they are real loud.

Gotcha, louder than the unbaffled round Termis I have now?  Still a deep tone?

Termi carbon unbaffled slightly deeper and quieter than Sils but just a tad.
SilMoto won't disappoint you, l promise.
Look wise hard to beat classic megas, me think.

I like the Termis on it now the best. They sound spectacular imo.

I'm on my 2nd set of Sil Moto conicals. The first set I bought out of Canada & were race megaphones & super loud. 2nd set bought stateside w/baffles and were a few dbs tamer but a sweet song going through the twisties. From what I heard they make their exhaust in batches (round, oval, hi mounts, megs etc.) & then release to distributors. Won't be unhappy with those puppies. And yeah, get the stainless lines.

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Gorgeous red M900! Nice to see it modded properly! I have 41mmFCRs on pods on my '98 M900. The whistle and intake roar is glorious! Good to know Sil Moto still makes the spaghetti headers- always been on my wish list. Enjoy it! I'e got 46k miles on mine and other than 3 reg/ rectifiers and a bunch of slipper clutches, its been dead reliable.