How to grow a neurotic wuss

[mstevens]

First off, only a few hundred years? 

No. A few hundred generations. That takes considerably more than a few hundred years.

In the last couple of generations a third of Europe died?

Who said that? It certainly wasn't me. As you word it, that's probably not true since over the past couple of generations, MOST of the population of Europe has died, not just a third.

Wow, I wonder what circumstance that could have caused that?  Maybe 2 World Wars, or a Holocaust, even further still, the re-emergence of the plague as a result of the dead bodies strewn across the continent.

During the time period to which I was referring, there certainly were bodies strewn across the continent. The "black death," which was possibly but by no means certainly a form of bubonic or pneumonic plague killed, by conservative estimates, a third of the population of Europe over a very brief period.

if you read my post I did not say that I wouldn't vaccinate my child, just that I would wait after, and now I haven't researched it in the 3 years since I left college due to a lack of necessity, the age of most subscetibility of acquiring autism from the shots.

Given that there is no age of susceptibility of acquiring autism from shots, there is no need to wait and every need to vaccinate at the proper ages. I will agree that actually reading what a post says is a Good Thing.

[mstevens]

Yeah, my math was off.  Thanks.  Even then 2000 years makes the statement a moot point for its premise seeing as vaccination is a relatively new thing.  A couple hundred generations would then mean an arguement for whether or not your children should grow up in civilization or the woods.  I apologize it didn't register, and refused to, since the statement was so inconsequential to the premise. 

You really need to pay attention to what people are saying. In no way am I claiming that vaccination accounts for our practically guaranteed survival as a species. I am claiming that we forget at our peril that the common modern assumption that our kids will even survive to grow up is a very, very modern idea. Your grandparents would have lined up, and did, to get their kids vaccinated given their experience and that of their recent ancestors of child mortality from diseases that I haven't even seen in 20 years since medical school.

[mstevens]

There are a lot of things that aren't scientific fact yet generally accepted.

Global Warming and Evolution come to mind right off the bat.  

Ah. It becomes clear.

"Evolution" is as much a fact as gravity. No sane person questions that it occurs. Sane people DO debate whether evolution occurs by natural selection or not, and they may debate whether species arose via such a process. As it turns out, speciation as a result of evolution via natural selection is as thoroughly established as any other concept in science.

The war on science of the last few decades does more to explain why people are able to believe that vaccines cause autism than anything else.

[fwtcc]

Originally I had typed a clever retort and it only got more clever as I added to it.  Then realized you don't really make too much sense in all of the rambling.  In order to respond and gather all of your information in to one coherent thought, it would be giant post and not really worth my time.  So at this point.  read your post.  See where I could construe that which I said and you will see that I addressed things that left your fingers.  May not have been what was in your mind, but it is what left your fingers.  That being said, stick to your guns.  When you see that you've made a mistake in what you've proposed, either acknowledge it as a mistake and correct it or stay with it.

As for the last post.  You obviously have little desire to follow your own advice.  No where did I say that I didn't believe in global warming, or, and especially, evolution.  I, in fact, believe in both.  At this point I have pointed out my opinion on the matter and that is really all I have to say about it until I have a child and updated research is in order.

[ducatiz]

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[ducpainter]

Ah. It becomes clear.

"Evolution" is as much a fact as gravity. No sane person questions that it occurs. Sane people DO debate whether evolution occurs by natural selection or not, and they may debate whether species arose via such a process. As it turns out, speciation as a result of evolution via natural selection is as thoroughly established as any other concept in science.

The war on science of the last few decades does more to explain why people are able to believe that vaccines cause autism than anything else.

spoken like a true scientist.

[mstevens]

spoken like a true scientist.

Whoops! Busted...

[lucazuma]

...whats a Himbazoo? 

[Popeye the Sailor]

...whats a Himbazoo? 

Exotic creature native to the Galapogos Islands. Carnivorous and extrememly mean.