breaktrough with leaning. - move your bum.

[Goat_Herder]

With everything being said in this thread, does this look weird to you? 

[IdZer0]

he's probably trying to look around the corner

[stopintime]

Leaning the bike (for no reason), but resisting with the upper body and probably struggling with bar input? My guess...
The head is doing the opposite of "point and shoot" - again probably resisting...

I'm not an expert (may be right, may be wrong), but I learn by analyzing - I do this all day long as a personal trainer.

If it's you in the picture I hope I haven't offended you, it's just so motivating to learn and I hope you feel the same way.

[Xiphias]

He is on a Buell...first problem  . Getting all crossed-up like that is going to result in having to lean the bike to far. I also don't worry about keeping my head aligned with horizon..it puts a little bit strain and I've noticed that I make an unnecessary input.

[Desmostro]

Important note:

When you first start hanging off correctly, your bike will turn WAY sharper and faster than you may be used to.
You should actually be careful not to run off the INSIDE of the turn. 

The more weight you get to the inside of the turn, the less the bike has to lean. I've also found the lower you get the weight the less the bike leans, therefore  the faster you can go around the turn. This is the principle behind the "get your chin forward and low" that's been mentioned. +1

Someone posted a good video on this, trying to find it:
Also if your torso if off furthest pointing where you want to go, your knee is out the furthest and in the best position to drag.
If your butt is out furthest, it pulls your knee back and makes it a bit awkward to drag as well as making you more vulnerable to falling off the bike.
Test in while on a bike stand.

[stopintime]

Desmostro: I think this is it (?) Very, very, very good information - for me it is, anyway...

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=14555.0


Another post which also discusses the same issues  http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24263.0

[Goat_Herder]

This pic was taken from the Buell official website (not that I am considering Buell motorcycle).  Just seems to me that the rider was trying awfully hard to lean the bike for no reason and his body was all crossed up.  Since we were on the topic of proper body position for leaning, this would be the WHAT NOT TO DO pose. 

[msuxplant]

He's probably an old dirt bike rider. I'll admit after going to street after 20+ years on dirt, I brought a lot of stupid techniquest that DEFINITELY do not transfer well!  I remember kind of "throwing" the bike down into the turn while keeping my torso torqued. (hey, this could be bad for dirt too, for all I know!).  I have enough humility to also admit of putting my inner foot down in a turn. That only took about 2 turns to drop that habit.

Good discussion. Thx for the input. Getting on my bike for some VERY late spring training tomorrow (track day in a week).

[ducleaner]

The idea behind moving around is to allow you to lean *less* at a given speed not more. What may be happening is that when you focus on repositioning your body, you might be subconsciously removing pressure from the bars. I find that every time a corner feels awkward, I realize I've been supporting myself with the bars. I tighten my core muscles and everything is easier, more stable, and way less scary.

An interesting sidenote on weight shifting... notice that the pros always shift their weight before leaning into the turn. You definitely want to be planted before leaning over.

So i've been struggling with my leaning, but after seeing a video where the camera was mounted on the back of the bike showing the riders bum, i saw how often he shifted his weight around, and that is something i have not done (i was relying on counter steering only).Once i started doing it - it all started to come together, my turns got faster and cleaner.

just felt like sharing.

[Vinzer_Uno]

home dude realized there is a 90 degree left in front of him at 35 miles per hour and initiating to shift his weight with his face first?

[darthmoto]

When I first tried weight shifting, I did the crossed up thing too... Til I took a forum member's advice to use the dong to point in the direction of your turn..  Works well, and the feeling I got was like I was body surfing over the asphalt... surreal. Funny thing is I realize why the whole chickenstrips thing is hilarious. When you do it right, (especially on the street) you dont scrub them off.. And if you are scrubbing them off and doing it right, its probably best that you get off the street and onto the track. I also learned that scooting slightly back so your outside shoulder comes forward and closer to the gascap works in getting the CG lower too. And I don't know if its a bad habit or not, but on transitions during braking and righting back up, I use my thighs to leverage my weight back over the tank on to the other side...