848 vs 749s

[ducpainter]

I believe he's saying that the 848 motor isn't happy, or making much power down low like your 1K motor is.

I've heard the same, and if you look at the dyno chart posted in another thread you can see just that....

[GLantern]

I don't feel like any 4v motor is happy in the lower rpms really.  Under 4k hell most duc's aren't my 1098 doesn't really start to pull until after 6k....but i'm being picky here it still pulls like superman just punched me from behind even at 4k!  I'm sure the 848 isn't that much slower.....and most people won't even use the 848 to it's limits.  I would go 848 still it is newer, less frequent service intervals, lighter, more power, very nice handling.....what is there not to like?

And yeah it doesn't have a dry clutch but you can get a conversion for it if you have to have it. 

We are nitpicking on power here.....they are both fast as hell

[caperix]

I've had my 848 for about 1.5 years, I have been very happy with the way the bike handles and the power it makes.  It does need a regear as it is a little soft off the line with the factory gearing, but it is very hard to match its midrange torque.  I looked at the 675 hard before desiding on the 848, I found after riding both that I prefered the handling and power delivery of the duc.  I do have to ride the bike differently than my monster, the 848 is happier the harder you ride it.  The 848 also needs more lower body input to ride hard than the monster.

[ducpainter]

I don't feel like any 4v motor is happy in the lower rpms really.  Under 4k hell most duc's aren't my 1098 doesn't really start to pull until after 6k....but i'm being picky here it still pulls like superman just punched me from behind even at 4k!  I'm sure the 848 isn't that much slower.....and most people won't even use the 848 to it's limits.  I would go 848 still it is newer, less frequent service intervals, lighter, more power, very nice handling.....what is there not to like?

And yeah it doesn't have a dry clutch but you can get a conversion for it if you have to have it. 

We are nitpicking on power here.....they are both fast as hell

You should ride a 996...

they make power while idling.

[Triple J]

We are nitpicking on power here.....they are both fast as hell

Yep. The 848 makes plenty of power down low for the street. The track is only where you notice the "lack" of power in the low revs. I had no problem blowing past 100 mph on the freeway on-ramp on my 848...before hitting the 8k rev power surge where it really took off!

[Bladecutter]

well if you compare an 848 to a 2v S2R1k, how does that story go?

Well, I can answer that one, as I have owned both.
In fact, I sold the S2R1k to my friend in order to buy the 848.

From a standing start, the two bikes are perfectly even, until the S2R1k needs to shift, which it will need to do first, since it runs out of steam the higher up you get in the powerband. The 848 is actually building up power when it hits 8k rpms, and nails the rev limiter about 11k rpms.

At higher speeds, the S2R1k loses steam around 130 mph, where as the 848 is just shifting into 4th gear, and still pouring it on. I have hit the rev limiter in 4th gear, and its 145 mph. I haven't had a change to hit the limiter in 5th gear yet.

The 848 has more foot room on the footpegs if you have large feet.
I wear a size 12, and this is really important to my being able to comfortably ride the bike.

The seating position is extremely aggressive on the 848, and you really can't compare the two bikes at all in that department. My hips were always splayed out riding the S2R1k, whereas the 848 puts my legs in the perfect riding position, and I'm able to corner and hang off the bike much more comfortably. I'm 6'1", and have a 34" inseam, so that makes a world of difference to me.

As for power impressions between the two bikes, I would say that the S2R1k pulls like a freight train, while the 848 feels like you're on the space shuttle during liftoff.

One last tidbit:

A 4 valve engine is just about always going to make more power in the high rpms when compared to a 2 valve engine.
Better breathing characteristics.

BC.

[GLantern]

You should ride a 996...

they make power while idling.

I'd love to one day but until then the 1098 will have to do, man i know it is rough but i will make it don't worry!  Really everytime i fire up the 1098 i feel like it wants to break the speed of sound..........such a raw feeling of power in the duc SBKs. 

[ducpainter]

I'd love to one day but until then the 1098 will have to do, man i know it is rough but i will make it don't worry!  Really everytime i fire up the 1098 i feel like it wants to break the speed of sound..........such a raw feeling of power in the duc SBKs. 

Maybe next fall at the fishtail days at NJMP

We can swap.

[fasterblkduc]

Maybe next fall at the fishtail days at NJMP

We can swap.

If you do this, please post your reaction. It is such a night and day difference between the two. I've owned the 996, and ridden both the 848 and 1098. You are talking about a whole different world here.

[ducpainter]

If you do this, please post your reaction. It is such a night and day difference between the two. I've owned the 996, and ridden both the 848 and 1098. You are talking about a whole different world here.

I have no doubt Gabe.

The 996 is a dinosaur in comparison to those bikes.

It fits me quite well.

[fasterblkduc]

I have no doubt Gabe.

The 996 is a dinosaur in comparison to those bikes.

It fits me quite well.

[DarkMonster620]

To answer your question, yes the 848 is a lot more flickable. You are absolutely right, the 749 does corner like a brick, and the 748/916 generation was much, much worse.
I am very impressed with the 848 handling. Out of all the Duc superbikes I've ridden on both street and track, the 848 wins easily in the handling department. It almost, (I stress almost) feels Japanese. It's very close to a middleweight as far as handling. Ducati nailed it with this chassis.

Now, having said all that, I still want a 749r. I've seen at least four sell this year for $10k, give or take a little bit. A race prepped 749r is still very cool to me and I'm one of the few that really likes the design. I would not get a 749 unless it was the R.

I've only riden two Ducati SBKs in my life, one, made me convert to Ducati and the other, just makes me lust for one. One is a 999R from a buddy in Florida and the other a 749 Dark with full CF fairings and forged Marchesini wheels, full exhaust and blacked out tail lamp....

[GLantern]

Maybe next fall at the fishtail days at NJMP

We can swap.

Maybe we can!