Stock Cans, Cat, Midpipe, Tune... Basic Questions

[dubbedown]

I had Termi hi-mounts on my 620 but don't see any cans I like for the S2R (not a fan of the CF look, nor the angled tips on Termis). Although I do like the Arrow titanium but very pricey... so I figured I'd start small and work my way up. Few basic questons...

Are collector pipes, cat eliminator, midpipes, utter removal all synonymous?

And based on what I've read, it seems that I can run a midpipe with an otherwise stock system WITHOUT a tune?

But it's only once you open the filter box (or change to a cone style) then I need to a run a tune?

What kind of chane in sound can I expect from a midpipe with stock cans? Louder with the rumble, or without the rumble? Would I have issues with local cops?

[booger]

You don't need a tune until you change both the mufflers and the airbox. Basically only when you radically change airflow at both ends. In the case of the S2R, that means a new ECU since you cannot change the fuel mapping on the stock unit.

Swapping a midpipe for the udder without changing the mufflers won't yield much more sound. You would need to core the cans out for more noise, a process for which I have conveniently posted a tutorial. You could do this and still keep from having to get an upgraded ECU. If you go further and get an open airbox, then you will need to upgrade the ECU.

Do yourself a flavor, pony up for the full Arrows. Look for a good deal somewhere anywhere for those bad boys. The best sounding best looking exhaust for these bikes period.

Best solution is full Arrows, open airbox with a K&N style filter, and a Ducati Performance ECU or stock ECU reprogrammed to Ducati Performance spec.   

[dubbedown]

Thanks for the tip, so at least regarding my first question those parts are in fact all the same?

I think you're right, I'll just wait around for a good deal on the Arrows. Dug up an old thread where someone stripped the yellow off the logo using paint removal, looked much better that way since it was just then a "raised" logo.

Regarding the ecu however I do see that Power Commander has an application for the S2R 800, with different mappings of different combos of mods (filter, cans, full exhaust, and so on...)

[booger]

Are collector pipes, cat eliminator, midpipes, utter removal all synonymous?

Thanks for the tip, so at least regarding my first question those parts are in fact all the same?

Yeah they're all the same

If it were me I'd make sure the valves & cams were dialed in and the throttles synced before I started slapping expensive upgrades on an engine that was out of spec. So, make certain yours is properly sorted first. Then upgrade the intake, exhaust, and ECU. I seriously doubt you will find that you need a Power Commander afterward. Just to be clear, a PCIII does not replace the ECU. It's a piggyback device that adjusts fueling after the ECU.

A PCIII is like icing on the icing, in my opinion. A good product, but is best put off until last and only for those with an extremely unhealthy obsession with spending money on their bike. It's kind of like blowing hundreds on carbon fiber knickknacks for a bike with nonadjustable suspension - not exactly the smartest thing to do.

For the record though, the exhaust is the first thing to upgrade on any bike  

 

[Mojo S2R]

Yeah they're all the same

If it were me I'd make sure the valves & cams were dialed in and the throttles synced before I started slapping expensive upgrades on an engine that was out of spec. So, make certain yours is properly sorted first. Then upgrade the intake, exhaust, and ECU. I seriously doubt you will find that you need a Power Commander afterward. Just to be clear, a PCIII does not replace the ECU. It's a piggyback device that adjusts fueling after the ECU.

A PCIII is like icing on the icing, in my opinion. A good product, but is best put off until last and only for those with an extremely unhealthy obsession with spending money on their bike. It's kind of like blowing hundreds on carbon fiber knickknacks for a bike with nonadjustable suspension - not exactly the smartest thing to do.

For the record though, the exhaust is the first thing to upgrade on any bike  

Hey, my bike has adjustable suspension now.     Listen to Berg.  He knows what he is talking about, but I would say that maybe the suspension would be the first thing that should be upgraded.  I did it backwards by the way.  (Exhaust/intake, cf knickknacks, then suspension.)  Okay, that's not really backwards, but definitely out of order.

[dubbedown]

Yeah they're all the same

If it were me I'd make sure the valves & cams were dialed in and the throttles synced before I started slapping expensive upgrades on an engine that was out of spec. So, make certain yours is properly sorted first. Then upgrade the intake, exhaust, and ECU. I seriously doubt you will find that you need a Power Commander afterward. Just to be clear, a PCIII does not replace the ECU. It's a piggyback device that adjusts fueling after the ECU.

A PCIII is like icing on the icing, in my opinion. A good product, but is best put off until last and only for those with an extremely unhealthy obsession with spending money on their bike. It's kind of like blowing hundreds on carbon fiber knickknacks for a bike with nonadjustable suspension - not exactly the smartest thing to do.

For the record though, the exhaust is the first thing to upgrade on any bike  

Thanks I know about the pc3 and its limitations/capabilities. I had one ony 620 and I'm not really looking to do any significant upgrades on the bike (besides a damper). After having the 620 and some others in between, I settled on the 800 as being the best combo of my needs - I just wish it were a tad louder, thus my inquiry on the midpipe. If I could gain some sound while making the exhaust more efficient why not? (unless I score a sweet deal on Arrows!) Just wasnt sure if however such a mod needed the a/f to be tweaked via a pc3.

I'm getting my throttle bodies synced next week but didn't even consider the valves/cams...

[booger]

If you're only after a nice exhaust note, just core the mufflers. The mufflers matter much more than the midpipe if you just want to bring the noise.