Looking for advise from those of you know Black Magic

[seanster]

Hi,

I'm considering putting the Apex clipon (no rise) below the triple.  I have a 2000 M750 which had a enought folks space to mount the MotoWheel clipons, but I'm looking for the angle achieved from the Apex.

I can just mount the clipon as is by not sliding the folks up (to leveled with the triple) but afraid that it will be too low for my liking.  My question is if I move the triple up (slide the folks down) to make it leveled...then my turn will be slower?

If that changes my handling, then I have to adjust the rear to compensate for the changes in the front correct?

[motoxmann]

correct, raising the front would decrease handling. so you'd have to raise the rear to compensate. but then you'd also be raising your center of gravity which would also be decreasing handling.

[Howley]

I'm not sure "decreasing handling" is correct. Raising the front will decrease the rate of turn-in and decrease the amount of weight on your inside hand when cornering, which may or may not be a good thing.

[brad black]

lots of people have raised the front of 888 framed monsters to make them more stable in a straight line.  they tend to get a weave going otherwise that's not really an issue, but can freak people out.  we had one women threatening to sue over it, going the 'inherently unsafe' line from memory.

although that's also compounded by the excessive sag some of the forks have.  respring them and you might find you have 20mm or more less sag at the front, which will have the front higher anyway.

you can raise the rear, but because the shock is mounted on the swingarm you have to make quite large changes to the rear hoop to raise it a lot.  you can only screw the rose joints out so far.  you can buy extender pieces which many 851/888 owners do, raising them 30mm or more.

raising the front will theoretically slow the steering.  raising the rear to compensate will raise the centre of gravity which usually enhances the ability to move the bike from side to side in a fast riding or racing situation.  how it pans out in reality depends on the rider as much as anything.

if you're going from std bars to clip ons then your body position will change to some extent, weighting the front more anyway.  so you might like the higher front.

i have some speedymoto tall boys at work at the moment to fit to a customers 97 m600.  i think they'll probably end up not a huge amount lower than std bars, but they're certainly much lower than the ones that were on it.