need new tires?

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Slide Panda

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Quote from: Dirty Duc on November 28, 2012, 02:49:28 PM
Does that go for the front, also?

Yep. The dynamic is basically the same. With too much damping the suspension is packing down and you're driving that edge into the pavement harder. With too little the suspension's bouncing a bit all the time.

Quote from: FrankenDuc on November 29, 2012, 02:44:19 AM
SlidePanda,
The visual is great!!! [thumbsup]

BTW by "More wear" you mean lipped/scalloped edge, right? - if I remember that's how it goes, but I'm frequently confused...
Also, if I remember, there was something about the scallops/lips on the tire sides relating more so to rebound, and scallops on the tire center relating more so to compression - do you recall?  (or am I making this up?...).   ???

Been a while since I learned this stuff last, relearning it as we speak, and the useless knowledge appears to have shoved much of the useful knowledge out of the way...  :)  

More wear = more wear  ;D. If you were to look at the tire with 'ideal' wear the height of the 'land' (sections that contact the pavement) on either side of the sipe would be even, so the tire would have as close to a perfect circle as possible. When things are out of whack, the land on one side of the sipe will be lower, more worn.

I don't recall center vs side relating to compression vs rebound. As *I* have absorbed it (and hope I'm right) it's all about rebound for that sort of wear. Having off compression will do all sorts of other crappy things for you, but it seems rebound the the arbiter of this flavor of wear.

Quote from: ducpainter on December 03, 2012, 05:36:30 AM
I agree with this except for the race takeoff part unless you're using them for track days.

Some race tires need to be ridden much harder than a street tire to warm up and may not ever get warm enough to have the kind of grip a rider expects.

They also heat cycle out unlike street tires and may grip one day and be a slippery as ice the next.

+1 Good street tires will be the best course. Even DOT race tires aren't for day-to-day rides
-Throttle's on the right, so are the brakes.  Good luck.
- '00 M900S with all the farkles
- '08 KTM 690 StupidMoto
- '07 Triumph 675 Track bike.

Dirty Duc

Quote from: Slide Panda on December 03, 2012, 07:30:25 AM

Yep. The dynamic is basically the same. With too much damping the suspension is packing down and you're driving that edge into the pavement harder. With too little the suspension's bouncing a bit all the time.


And a generic solution to a requirement for more damping could be heavier fork oil?  (understanding that re-valving is a good solution for Ducs... I am talking about my other bike that wore the front pretty severely in the indicated pattern).

Slide Panda

Heavier oil would make for more compression damping as well too, just keep that in mind. And of course not like clickers for adjustment. But if there's no clickers... Not much else easy to do.

-Throttle's on the right, so are the brakes.  Good luck.
- '00 M900S with all the farkles
- '08 KTM 690 StupidMoto
- '07 Triumph 675 Track bike.

Dirty Duc


FrankenDuc

Quote from: ducpainter on December 03, 2012, 05:36:30 AM
I agree with this except for the race takeoff part unless you're using them for track days.

Some race tires need to be ridden much harder than a street tire to warm up and may not ever get warm enough to have the kind of grip a rider expects.

They also heat cycle out unlike street tires and may grip one day and be a slippery as ice the next.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't even allude to a lot of the crazy things I've done during times of economic despair, much less recommend any of them publicly  [bang]
Better just to stick with top tier new tires  ;)
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