School me please

[goldenchild]

What we do is dangerous. Seeing/reading about all these accidents isn't a good thing. As most of you know, I tend to lead a lot of group rides which makes me feel personally responsible for the group as a whole. Anyone know where I can go locally for some first aid classes that are geared towards motorcyclists? Knowing what to do AND what not to do at the scene of an accident would be priceless.

Also, I meant to mention this in one of GotDuc's recent posts...

find an empty parking lot/and practice your braking skills. If you ride at 40mph, you need to know how to do an emergency stop from 40mph. If you ride at 90mph, you need to know how to stop from 90mph, and so on and so on. Just sayin. Be safe out there folks.

[Got Duc]

GC

I will definetly be teaching CPR / First aid this winter.

If you want to take the class I would be happy to do it.

Jim

[Pakhan]

I have seen some first aid courses for deep wilderness camping but not for the bike.  I would sign up if one is available.

[CDawg]

I had looked into it before, but the cost is pretty high:
http://www.nycremsco.org/calendar.asp?calendarid=1

[He Man]

CDawg, thats one of the classes im looking to take this winter. The price is high, but EMT-B is far beyond first aid. and in an event of a motorcycle crash, a first aid kit wont help, If you're doing first aid, the person probably isnt all that bad. Which in that case you can just get up, clean your wound, wrap it and walk it of. I think in motorcycling, theres only good accidents, where you can walk it of, and bad accidents where you cant walk it of, no in between. So EMT will teach you address much more than minor wounds and burns.

First Aid is about 99% common sense, so if you wanted to just reinforce what you probably already know, just pick up a book. The only "tough" things about first aid is to keep the person alive enough for an ambulance to get there. Aka if he isnt breathing, get that person to breathe, (airway blocked? CPR? tougne?) is the person breathing? yes, is he bleeding? no? okay, standby. If he is bleeding, address the wound. 

There are several EMT classes around the NYC area that have weekend courses too. Depending on my next semester,theres a nother place doing 3 nights a week for 3 months, i believe it was BMCC.

CPR is a good class to take though, that should be part of school gym.... everyone should be CPR certified.

[Grrrly]

I took a motorcycle accident scene management course earlier this year.  It's basically a trauma (first-aid) for the motorcyclist class.  They also offer more advanced classes as well.  The class was only $50 I think.

It was organized by the Sirens MC this past March.   The same course is offered by Cliffs' every so often, in fact I remember posting about it last year or before, but no one seemed interested so I didn't post up this past March about it. 

I know we had one instructor helping that was from NYFD, so he was local.  The head instructor, Vicki, came from Wisconsin to teach our class.  But the other instructor, could possibly teach a class for you/us if you/we can get a large enough group to host the class.  I would be interested in a refresher and/or advanced class. 

Check out: http://accidentscene.org/ if interested.

GC, I can bring the handout  we received to brunch Sunday, to see if it's something you would be interested in.

M
edit: the class also counts towards insurance discounts depending on your insur. co.   Sentry/Dairyland is one of their sponsors so they accept the class for a discount.

[goldenchild]

GC, I can bring the handout  we received to brunch Sunday, to see if it's something you would be interested in.

IG, If you could bring that handout I'd appreciate it! GotDuc, I'll ask you again about the course you'll be teach sometime again this upcoming fall...

[Got Duc]

First aid / CPR is all you would really need to know for a motorcycle accident in these parts.

Helmet removal is easily taught.

The grounds for helmet removal is easy.

Do you have to do CPR or rescue breathing?

Yes = remove helmet. No = keep helmet on.

[Grrrly]

J,

the difference being in CPR you are taught to tilt the head back.  In the motorcycle class you are taught how to take off the helmet, and how to perform the "jaw thrust" rescue breathing method, (which I found difficult) if there is concern for a spinal injury, which would be the case for almost any motorcycle accident you come upon, then you are told not to tilt the head back. 

My opinion would be to take both classes, the CPR class Jim is offering and the motorcycle specific one.  If anything it's extra practice and a refresher.

M

[Got Duc]

absolutely 100% correct.

Jaw thrust is very difficult. You almost need a second person to do it and bag.

[goldenchild]

Jim, the rub is... we (the US's) often times find ourselves in places with no towns and at least 30-50 miles to nearest gas station... basically the boondocks, meaning, medical help would be far way and cell phone reception at a minimum. Apart from cpr (which I'd need to learn), I'd also like to learn how to manage a scene before the real help arrives, know what type of first aid items that I can always carry, splint a mangled leg, and so on. Hopefully I'll never have to put any of it into use but I'd feel better knowing that if need be I can be of some assistance.

[Got Duc]

Jim, the rub is... we (the US's) often times find ourselves in places with no towns and at least 30-50 miles to nearest gas station... basically the boondocks, meaning, medical help would be far way and cell phone reception at a minimum. Apart from cpr (which I'd need to learn), I'd also like to learn how to manage a scene before the real help arrives, know what type of first aid items that I can always carry, splint a mangled leg, and so on. Hopefully I'll never have to put any of it into use but I'd feel better knowing that if need be I can be of some assistance.

I am sure we can work something out.

[CDawg]

FYI - Just learned of the NYC CERT program:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/get_prepared/cert_training.shtml


I'm thinking about signing up.