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Started by He Man, October 20, 2009, 05:13:04 PM

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ducatiz

#45
October 28, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: Langanobob on October 28, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
Read my above comments on the difference between looking better and actually being better  [cheeky]

And I stole the girlyman reference from Ahhnold.  Didn't really mean it!

it all depends on the intended use.  i know stick is better than mig for some things, but damn i love mig over stick for ease. 
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Speeddog

#46
October 28, 2009, 12:29:05 PM
Spend some time welding with OxyAcetylene if you want to improve your welding skills.
You can *see* what's going on, and you learn a lot from that.

Really, it's all just related to 'seat time', with a little instruction.

In most cases, if your weld bead is wider than the thickness of the material, and it's breaking, you're doing it wrong.
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mojo

#47
October 28, 2009, 02:52:40 PM
Big +1 to starting out with an oxy acetylene setup first.  It is much slower than both stick and mig/tig welding, but because it is slower you can really see and understand what is going on. ie, forming a puddle and keeping it moving, too much/too little heat, or too much/too little rod.
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Langanobob

#48
October 28, 2009, 03:10:28 PM
^ Agreed.

Seems like OA is rapidly falling out of favor these days, and now that plasma torches are common it's not even used as much for cutting. It is a good way to start and is a more forgiving and "elegant" form of welding.  Not sure when TIG or HeliArc came into common usage but I think most all of the WWII 4130 airframes and aluminum parts were gas welded.

OA isn't just for beginning and the guy at Tinman Tech, an acknowledge metal working master, really pushes gas welding, especially for aluminum.  www.tinmantech.com

ducpainter

#49
October 28, 2009, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: Langanobob on October 28, 2009, 10:44:52 AM
Scott, I'm far from a proficient welder myself and what follows is just my opinion and certainly not gospel.  I think that to become a good welder in any type of welding is not so easy.  The problem with MIG is that a beginner can lay down what looks like a nice bead, and we think it's easy to learn.  But the proof is in testing and too often MIG welds that look pretty don't have enough penetration and are weak.  Not to say that there's anything wrong with MIG welds done by a skilled welder. 

I think it's easier for a beginner to get a strong weld with stick.  An example is He Man's bead breaker.  There may be prettier things  to look at but it's strong and functional which is what counts.  If he'd MIG welded it, assuming he's a beginning MIG welder, it would probably look better, but likely not be as strong.

I have friends who are professional high pressure cross-country pipeline welders (stick) and they can weld upside down on the bottom of a pipe better than I can weld a flat plate laying flat on a bench.  They also do not use MIG welding on the high pressure pipelines, I think it's a matter of code and approved procedures.   The first pass is sometimes done with TIG, I think to eliminate any possible slag inside the pipe and the rest of the passes are done with stick.  But they use MIG in their shops for fabricating things because it's fast and convenient.

Edit:  But yeah, you're probably right that stick is harder to learn.
I know more about welding than I can perform. ;)

Welds that work come down to process...

Mig is not a penetration process, but rather a deposition process.

Stick normally penetrates better than Mig, so the welds are perceived to be better because they seem to work when others fail.

That's why we have engineers.... :P [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

To design welds...and processes that fail. ;D
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Langanobob

#50
October 28, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
^

DP, that is really a good post.  ;D If you composed it yourself if is even more better. 

The best I can manage in response is that:

If God wanted there to be painters
He wouldn't 've given us rattlecans.

uclabiker06

#51
November 01, 2009, 12:05:26 PM
Okay, so He Man, what kind of bolts did you end up getting to replace the ones you had and where are you going to get them from?   I am going to replace my bolts too.  I was informed about some chrome plated bolts but I don't remember where to get them from.  I don't want to spring the money for titanium.
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ducpainter

#52
November 01, 2009, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: Langanobob on October 28, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
^

DP, that is really a good post.  ;D If you composed it yourself if is even more better. 

The best I can manage in response is that:

If God wanted there to be painters
He wouldn't 've given us rattlecans.


He gave you those rattlecans so you can justify the dogshit results because you were too cheap to hire a pro. :P

That was in jest in case there was any doubt.
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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He Man

#53
November 01, 2009, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: uclabiker06 on November 01, 2009, 12:05:26 PM
Okay, so He Man, what kind of bolts did you end up getting to replace the ones you had and where are you going to get them from?   I am going to replace my bolts too.  I was informed about some chrome plated bolts but I don't remember where to get them from.  I don't want to spring the money for titanium.

Im going with 12.9 steel or someshit, i scoped them out, havent ordered them yet since i have no need to remove my rotors right now. But i figure ill just buy a big box (50?) since they are also the same rotors on a few other bikes that my friends own as well. I can cut 12 out for you if you want. you wouldnt save much though lol

ducatiz

#54
November 01, 2009, 06:08:25 PM
Quote from: He Man on November 01, 2009, 06:06:13 PM
Im going with 12.9 steel or someshit, i scoped them out, havent ordered them yet since i have no need to remove my rotors right now. But i figure ill just buy a big box (50?) since they are also the same rotors on a few other bikes that my friends own as well. I can cut 12 out for you if you want. you wouldnt save much though lol

where are you getting them?  maryland metrics?

12.9 is about the strongest you can find.
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

He Man

#55
November 02, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
ill have to search it again. it doesnt seem to be in my favorites... ill post up when i find it.

uclabiker06

#56
November 02, 2009, 03:13:53 PM Last Edit: November 02, 2009, 05:54:23 PM by uclabiker06
"I can cut 12 out for you if you want. you wouldnt save much though lol"


Nah, I'm good.  I'm set on trying to find the chrome coated bolts [evil] ... thanks though HeMan.  Actually just found the link to the place that (according to Mr. Duc-Stew) carries chrome coated bolts; his wonderful idea not mine.  These bolts probably would pass for Titanium to the naked eye! Anyways here is the link to the place.  Guess you have to click on products then bolts http://www.dmpolish.com/tips.htm

Anybody know the bolt size for '06 S2R800 front rotors?
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