no red key? how screwed r u without it?

Started by djomlas, January 21, 2009, 03:47:17 PM

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Capo

The immobiliser is 'activated' each time the key is switched to the off position. i.e. the ecu will not initiate the start procedure until it receives a code from the instrument cluster, this code is required each and every time a start is requested. I am unaware of any immobilizer 'lockout' that requires the red key to reset, and wonder what and how this would be triggered.

The 'non' adjustable ecu, is the beginning of a process where it will become illegal to operate a motor vehicle with anything other than a certified ecu. all in the name of protecting the environment.


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Quote from: Capo on January 24, 2009, 12:50:23 AM
The immobiliser is 'activated' each time the key is switched to the off position. i.e. the ecu will not initiate the start procedure until it receives a code from the instrument cluster, this code is required each and every time a start is requested. I am unaware of any immobilizer 'lockout' that requires the red key to reset, and wonder what and how this would be triggered.

My '05 manual has instructions on how to reset the immobilizer using the red key and the number from the code card that came with the bike.  My card and red key are in the safe at home.

At the least, Ducati thinks something can lockout the immobilizer.
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Quote from: needtorque on January 23, 2009, 06:05:18 AM
You cannot cut a new red key from a black key it does not work that way.  The black key will only start/run the bike and operate the other locks but it will not do a damn thing if the immobilizer is active. 

I find your above post confusing.

To Clarify - Repeat I just cut a new transponder non OEM black key from an original transponder black key, without the red key.

The new and old black key's will start the bike which has an activated transponder immobilizer.

If anyone is stuck; I'll help you out; with one working OEM black key; proof of title, ownership & valid Drivers licence with currant address; PM me; cost is $50 for a new black key plus trackable courier shipping services.

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A black key can be cloned from a black key if the locksmith has a cloning tool.  You need the red key to program a new not cloned black key on the bike.  You also need the red key to marry the dash and ECU if you only replace one.

Dave R

Wow 3 pages of no answer  8)

The 998 Matrix only came with 2 black keys and no imobilizer..   they were not micro chipped keys.  No worries about a red key. 
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needtorque

Quote from: DuciD03 on January 24, 2009, 08:42:16 PM
I find your above post confusing.

To Clarify - Repeat I just cut a new transponder non OEM black key from an original transponder black key, without the red key.

The new and old black key's will start the bike which has an activated transponder immobilizer.

If anyone is stuck; I'll help you out; with one working OEM black key; proof of title, ownership & valid Drivers licence with currant address; PM me; cost is $50 for a new black key plus trackable courier shipping services.



I dont know what is so confusing.  If you have a black key you cannot use it to make a new red key.  The red key carries the info that the ecu needs.

I think most others who read the post got it.
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Quote from: Dave R on January 24, 2009, 11:13:29 PM
Wow 3 pages of no answer  8)

The 998 Matrix only came with 2 black keys and no imobilizer..   they were not micro chipped keys.  No worries about a red key. 

I guess we all made the same mistake, assuming all '02 and newer had immobilizers :-[

Dave R

Quote from: howie on January 25, 2009, 11:01:16 AM
I guess we all made the same mistake, assuming all '02 and newer had immobilizer :-[

The 998 Matrix was based off the 2002 998 package. hence pre immobilizer
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2001cromo

Dave,
You would have the correct answer for this.

Did any of the original SBK's (748/916/996/998) have an immobilzer?

I don't think so, but I was hoping you could confirm.


TIA.


Dave R

Quote from: 2001cromo on January 25, 2009, 02:38:59 PM
Dave,
You would have the correct answer for this.

Did any of the original SBK's (748/916/996/998) have an immobilzer?

I don't think so, but I was hoping you could confirm.


TIA.



You are correct none did.   999 was first.
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cabron

Hi All,

Slightly off topic, however does anyone know if a 2002 620ie Monster had an immobiliser?
What year did that start with the Monster Models?

Cheers
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NoisyDante

Wow, EVERYONE's wrong here.  ;)

As evidence in Matrix Reloaded, it seems any old key from an elderly man's keyring will fire it up.

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Quote from: NoisyDante on March 01, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
Wow, EVERYONE's wrong here.  ;)
As evidence in Matrix Reloaded, it seems any old key from an elderly man's keyring will fire it up.

Obviously had the DP ECU.  [cheeky]
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Quote from: cabron on March 01, 2010, 12:12:11 PM
Hi All,

Slightly off topic, however does anyone know if a 2002 620ie Monster had an immobiliser?
What year did that start with the Monster Models?

Cheers
Cabron


My 2003 620ie had an immobilizer.  Does your dash blink (orange I think, but it's been a few years) when the bike is off? If it does, I'm pretty sure you have an immobilizer.
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