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what is the maximum lean angle available for a S4R?

Started by DNAspark99, October 18, 2010, 01:45:16 AM

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DNAspark99

#30
October 19, 2010, 10:57:34 PM
Quote from: Raux on October 19, 2010, 10:46:03 PM
here's the only problem with this defense. at this point you will have the required information to be able to accurate tell them how fast you were going, and if that is over the limit...

but you also aren't factoring in body positioning, etc. if you lean off the bike you can change the required lean angle for a certain speed.

ALSO if you are travelling at slower speeds you can actually push the bike down and shift your weight high to appear to be going faster than you are. ie when you are doing an evasive manuever.


oh I was DEFINITELY speeding. I'm arguing that it was NOT 'excessive' (40 kph over). I'll take a regular speeding ticket any day, less fine, less points.
As for the physics, yes, there's a LOT of important variables that affect the equation.... I'm just hoping to ballpark it close enough to plausible, and show the judge that I've done some homework on this ... though with the new laws (see previous post) there has been a lot of public outcry and 'excessive speed' is a hot topic right now. There's been a definite increase in riders attempting to evade police in the news lately too.

Yea, physics or not.... I'm prettymuch f@cked.
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Veloce-Fino

#31
October 19, 2010, 11:17:44 PM
Quote from: DNAspark99 on October 19, 2010, 10:57:34 PM
oh I was DEFINITELY speeding. I'm arguing that it was NOT 'excessive' (40 kph over). I'll take a regular speeding ticket any day, less fine, less points.
As for the physics, yes, there's a LOT of important variables that affect the equation.... I'm just hoping to ballpark it close enough to plausible, and show the judge that I've done some homework on this ... though with the new laws (see previous post) there has been a lot of public outcry and 'excessive speed' is a hot topic right now. There's been a definite increase in riders attempting to evade police in the news lately too.

Yea, physics or not.... I'm prettymuch f@cked.

Should have ran... [evil]
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derby

#32
October 19, 2010, 11:39:08 PM
yup, this thread isn't gonna make it to the op's court date.
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Drunken Monkey

#33
October 19, 2010, 11:54:50 PM
Oh ye of little faith, judges (and members of this forum) can surprise you.
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derby

#34
October 20, 2010, 12:13:18 AM
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on October 19, 2010, 11:54:50 PM
Oh ye of little faith, judges (and members of this forum) can surprise you.


one can only hope.  ;D
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Monsterlover

#35
October 20, 2010, 04:51:49 AM Last Edit: October 20, 2010, 04:53:30 AM by Monsterlover
When's the court date again?

OP could just lock the thread until he has an outcome to report....
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He Man

#36
October 20, 2010, 06:46:36 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 20, 2010, 04:51:49 AM
When's the court date again?

OP could just lock the thread until he has an outcome to report....

why do you have to say all these smart things???

Howie

#37
October 20, 2010, 07:02:57 AM
Quote from: Raux on October 19, 2010, 10:46:03 PM
here's the only problem with this defense. at this point you will have the required information to be able to accurate tell them how fast you were going, and if that is over the limit...

but you also aren't factoring in body positioning, etc. if you lean off the bike you can change the required lean angle for a certain speed.

ALSO if you are travelling at slower speeds you can actually push the bike down and shift your weight high to appear to be going faster than you are. ie when you are doing an evasive manuever.


I wouldn't worry about accuracy, the point is to disprove by a wide margin the officer's guestimate.  I would be more concerned about the judge believing the physics calculations.  I would suggest notorized written, or even better, live testimony by an expert witness.

Monsterlover

#38
October 20, 2010, 08:21:19 AM
+1

never a bad idea to add credibility to your defense
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redxblack

#39
October 20, 2010, 08:26:38 AM
I had a physics prof when I was an undergrad that would (for a fee) appear as an expert in speeding cases. He'd do a trick where he'd spin a spoon on a table, get people to guess how fast it is spinning and then clock it with a radar gun. The speed was usually about 1/4 what people would guess. I forgot the science part he was trying to explain with that lesson, so the effectiveness as a teacher may be less than as an expert in such a case.


Visual guesstimates are legal in Ohio now as well.

Veloce-Fino

#40
October 20, 2010, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: redxblack on October 20, 2010, 08:26:38 AM
I had a physics prof when I was an undergrad that would (for a fee) appear as an expert in speeding cases. He'd do a trick where he'd spin a spoon on a table, get people to guess how fast it is spinning and then clock it with a radar gun. The speed was usually about 1/4 what people would guess. I forgot the science part he was trying to explain with that lesson, so the effectiveness as a teacher may be less than as an expert in such a case.


Visual guesstimates are legal in Ohio now as well.

This sounds hilarious. I'm picturing a guy in a lab coat with a huge grey beard spinning a spoon like a maniac screaming "HOW FAST IS IT SPINNING"

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