M620 Went Down After Brake Lockup

Started by Kegan, August 03, 2011, 07:51:02 PM

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MonsterHPD

I haven't read your previous post, but I once (approx. 1988 or so)had a similiar thing happen to me on my Yamaha XS650/860, even if I managed to stay upright (barely). On that bike I had a Brembo master cylinder for the front brake with what seemed like an adjustment screw for the lever position which I used to position the lever at a comfortable distance from the bar.
Unfortunately, this also moved the piston in the master cylinder enough to close the connection between cylinder and fluid reservoir, creating a closed brake fluid loop at the calipers.
Having ridden for a while and braked anough for the brakes to heat the fluid, the fluid expanded and gradually applied more brake, creating more heat.... you get the picture. As I approached a crossroads, the front wheel suddenly locked up at maybe 20 km/h, quite surprising to say the least.

If something similiar hppened to you, the front wheel should have been locked up when you picke the bike up. Was it, or did it rotate freely?           
Monster 900-2002 (sold, alive and well in the UK), 749R / 1100 HYM combo for track days, wifes / my Monster Dark 800-2003 (not entirely "Dark" anymore and a personal favourite) , 50% of 900SSie -2000 track bike for rainy days-now with tuned ST2 motor and Microtec ECU. Also parked due to having been T-boned on track.

Kegan

#16
I was in the left side of the left lane. I think road conditions were fine, of course speaking from a place of inexperience. The brakes had last been done by a Ducati dealership in the bay area, where I bought it. I didn't see any reason to bleed the brakes as I was putting the bike back together, as the calipers fit over the rotors without trouble, and the brakes performed during the seating of the axle as well as during the test rides. I'm thinking about this logically, and the weakest mechanical link on the bike remaining after my first accident is the fork assembl(ies). Like I said, new ones come tomorrow. I suppose we'll see where things go after that. Bent forks can cause unpredictable handling, right?

Edit: I'm sorry, I didn't see the post above. The wheel rotated freely when I picked it up, although that was a good hypothesis. I did (after this) adjust that screw though... Any way to prevent what happened to you? I'm 100% inexperienced as you can tell, I just don't want to get killed by the learning curve.

Kegan

Update: Play in chain tension, measured as according to the idiot-proof sticker on the swingarm, was a whopping 40mm as opposed to 20-25mm spec. Perhaps this had something to do with things...  [bang]

bikepilot

#18
Very unlikely provided the chain is still on the sprockets. Even if it did somehow get bunched up, lock the wheel, then free itself it would just cause the rear tire to slide - that's pretty controllable and wouldn't violently and suddenly pitch you off.

The MSF class is a great way to get some initial training, but don't take it as a stamp that you are now competent to ride around on the roads safely - it just means you went around some cones in a parking light without scaring the crap out of the instructor  ;D  I advocate becoming an accomplished rider in a closed-course environment before playing around on the rather-unforgiving, guardrail lined, cage infested streets. 

If I had to guess I'd say its fairly unlikely that a mechanical fault contributed to the accident.

FYI it isn't too uncommon for forks to get twisted in triple clamps without being bent - that the front end wasn't straight when you were going straight doesn't mean anything is bent - its possible something is bent, just not certain.  If you've already bought new forks I guess you might as well use them, but if they are used forks or if you haven't laid out the $$$ yet, just check to see whether yours are bent, if not loosen all pinch bolts (including at the axle) then re-torque properly.
2009 XB12XT
2006 Monster 620 (wife's)
1997 TL1000S
1975 Kawasaki H1 Mach III
2001 CR250R (CO do-it-all bike)
2000 XR650R (dez racer)
2003 KX100 (wife's)
1994 DR250SE (wife's/my city commuter)

Bones

my honest opinion is you locked up the rear and panicked.

Happens to the best of us. You learn and move forward.
I'm a loner, Dottie...a rebel...

900ssfe

Quote from: Kegan on August 08, 2011, 01:56:01 PM
I'm 100% inexperienced as you can tell, I just don't want to get killed by the learning curve.

You're not 100% inexperienced, my Nephew.  You're actually gaining it in leaps and bounds.  One cannot learn without making mistakes, I'm confident that you will be more careful due to your recent interactions with asphalt than you were prior.

Make the bike mechanically safe and sound to give yourself piece of mind, throw on your riding gear, and go ride.  You have 9 lives, just don't use them up so fast.

J