What other makes of shock fit an S2R

Started by Monstyr, September 08, 2011, 08:26:50 AM

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Monstyr

I'm looking for sources to replace my OE shock on my S2R800, I'm in no hurry so am happy to wait and look around.
I'm trying to find out what other makes and models of shock also fit, ie are there any other bikes from any manufacturer that uses the same length and fitment as my Ducati installed sachs item.


( a similar exercise as finding out GSXR forks will fit with a few spacers,or that a Honda Hornet ohlins shock fitted my RVF400 but was half the price of a labelled RVF item)

It just gives me a wider range of options to view as I'm looking
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TitanMonsterS4R

Penske 8893 will work if you can get your hands on one. 
06 Monster S4R - Red/Black Final Edition

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ducatiz

yeah, the penske is nice as it's designed to be owner-rebuildable too.
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Monstyr

While the Penke is nice I'm not so much after a shock recommendation as finding out what else out there has the same fitments.
I know you can replace the eyes on shocks like Ohlins, but knowing I didn't have to when I bought the previously mentioned one for my RVF meant that it not only saved me money but my search terms were widened to include those models that had the same fittings.

In a similar way if you search for ducati clip ons (on ebay for example)you'll get some fairly nice results that bolt straight on, these can sometimes be the subject of quite fierce bidding wars meaning the prices are higher than if they were a more generic piece,  if however you also search for 50mm, R1 and GSXR clip ons you get a much wider selection of results that will also fit straight on and then it's a straight choice of what takes your fancy as the competition for these isn't quite as active as it seemingly can be when Ducati is the tag.
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ducatiz

Shocks and clip ons are totally different worlds when it comes to bikes.  You might as well compare fitting a head from a GSX to a Ducati motor to tires.

Pretty much all shocks on modern bikes are custom-fit items, so you are limited severely by fit.  A monster shock will not fit an SS etc so it would be amazing if a GSX/CBR/etc shock should fit a Ducati Monster.

So the answer is no, there are no known cross-brand shock fits.  You're stuck with the limited modifications on Ducati to Ducati and whatever manufacturer is adapting their shock to fit.

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bikepilot

^  Also shock valving and spring rate are set for specific linkage rates, bike weights/weight distributions/swingarm angle etc., so even if something else would bolt on its not likely it'd work all that great.

All that said I think some folks here have had some success in bolting on shocks from various ducati superbike models.
2009 XB12XT
2006 Monster 620 (wife's)
1997 TL1000S
1975 Kawasaki H1 Mach III
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2-Skinny

The PN for the S2R shock is 365.2.045.1A.  The parts reference states fitment for  M620, 750, 1000, 800, 900 and S2R.  Possible valving is different, but if that were the case it would have a different PN....

There are like a dozen on ebay right now, and per my research an S4R shock will fit and is an upgrade (Ohlins) over the stock (Sachs)...
I don't own a Ducati...but I wrench on one.

ducatiz

Quote from: 2-Skinny on September 08, 2011, 10:53:49 AM
The PN for the S2R shock is 365.2.045.1A.  The parts reference states fitment for  M620, 750, 1000, 800, 900 and S2R.  Possible valving is different, but if that were the case it would have a different PN....

The valving comment referred to other makes of bikes, not to other monsters.

QuoteThere are like a dozen on ebay right now, and per my research an S4R shock will fit and is an upgrade (Ohlins) over the stock (Sachs)...

You have an easy job to just take one off another Monster.  The OP was asking if any other bike maker's shock fits on the monster.
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2-Skinny

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Quote from: ducatiz on September 08, 2011, 12:26:32 PM
The valving comment referred to other makes of bikes, not to other monsters.

You have an easy job to just take one off another Monster.  The OP was asking if any other bike maker's shock fits on the monster.

Well maybe he was... but he made it clear that he was looking for a replacement, I made it clear there are plenty of stock shocks used, or upgraded S4R used to not even have to consider other manufacturers....

Quote from: Monstyr on September 08, 2011, 08:26:50 AM
I'm looking for sources to replace my OE shock on my S2R800...

Quote from: Monstyr on September 08, 2011, 08:26:50 AM

ie are there any other bikes from any manufacturer...


But fair enough... other manufacturers shocks are likely to be alot different without having them and all the specs side by side...

I don't own a Ducati...but I wrench on one.

Monstyr

Quote from: ducatiz on September 08, 2011, 12:26:32 PM
  The OP was asking if any other bike maker's shock fits on the monster.

I was, but other Ducati models too, I dont care about particular detail-valving etc. at the moment, that may all be ruled out as any wider selection is viewed. I am well aware clip ons and shocks are not the same but the analogy stands, just as I'd used GSXR or R1 forks as possible parts and some oil filters are identical but a fraction of the price, some of these parts may require minor mods to make them work. pretty much anything can be made to work with enough work but thats not what I'm asking either.
Its the wider choice in the first place that very few ever seem to look at, this will never be done by looking at part numbers alone, many shocks can be revalved and adjusted and springs changed so the donor machine may not always be obvious, it may not be worthwhile doing these mods in the end but its the starting points I'm looking for at the moment.
Like I mentioned above, my 'Hornet' shock is now installed in an NC30 race bike having been bought for my road going NC35, it was half the price of a (identical) shock labelled for the NC35/30.
I'm just surprised that more people aren't looking around like this
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ducatiz

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Plenty of people are open to it, but it's not easy to do given you'd have to have the part and your bike in the same room.  Most people won't buy something just to try it out.  if you have an easy source of part-takeoffs from other bikes, then by all means start a thread on it. 

Some things are easy to do like that, such as brakes:  EBC's catalogue lists the parts by maker and then makers by parts so you can cross ref items very quickly.  No one does that for shocks that I know of.  Progressive suspension has an online catalogue that works for older bikes, but newer bike suspensions are totally different.

One thing I've found useful is getting a manufactuer's part number (like Ohlins, Bitubo or the Penske) and googling around to see what else it fits, if anything.
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suzyj

Showa shocks from 998 and 999 superbikes can be made to fit.  They're the same length, but the springs need swapping and the reservoir will hit your crankcase ventilation canister and vertical coil.

It's nothing that a little work can't rectify though, and the result is lovely smooth suspension for only a few hundred.

That said though, the forks are way worse than the shock on 800's and 695's.  You'll get a pile more joy from swapping out the forks.


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Monstyr

Quote from: suzyj on September 08, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
That said though, the forks are way worse than the shock on 800's and 695's.  You'll get a pile more joy from swapping out the forks.


I already have a set of forks waiting to be fitted, I did consider GSXR forks but a set of ST4 ones came up first and all I need now is a new spindle(with holes for the bottom adjusters)
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