S2R1K valve adj

Started by Nick_Knipp, April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 AM

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DucHead

Also, use the "Search" button.

There's already loads of info on this forum for valve clearance check/adjustment.
'05 S4R (>47k mi); '04 Bandit 1200 (>92k mi; sold); '02 Bandit 1200 (>11k mi); '97 Bandit 1200 (2k mi); '13 FJR1300 (1k mi); IBA #28454 "45"

K3V1N

This is what I would do. As soon as you can. Pull off the belt covers, battery tray, support, move oil cooler. Then remove the inspection covers. Check the valves at TDC on each cylinder. Write down where you are at. Then pull the belts at TDC front cyl and check again. I find there is a bit of difference and is easier to find the slack with the belt off.

At this point you will probably need to order a shim from EMSDUC. My S2R had some size marking on the shims. IF are lucky and you have markings on the shims that need to be replaced order both sizes bigger, the measuring tool and the LT book to save time. Also if you get a couple extra you can find a way to move them around, do a little sanding maybe and get them all just right.

Also next time I have to replace a closer I'm going to make a hardwood tool about the size of a 7mm hex to hold that closer arm down.

The LT book and PDF manual is something every monster owner should have. IMHO

This is not a job you can do right the first time in one 4 hour block of time. My first adjustment took me about 2 weeks from when I ordered my first parts till when I was back on the road. There is a lot of messing around, then measuring, then asking a question or two, Watching the CA video 10 times, then needing to wait for another tool or shim, check again, then triple checking all the pieces are torqued right, etc

I'm also going to +1 the use of search

Nick_Knipp

im gonna have to have the dealer do it.

Shims were the only thing i needed to do the job, and yeah I'm pretty confident I can do it. Problem was, when i called NPR and asked how much shims were in a set(various sizes) they replied a thousand dollars.  [bang]

make the beast with two backs that tbh, I got better things to spend my money on the next few years so I'll let them do it for only 3 hours labor. I also need the timing belt and front tire replaced. they can do that in the package too.

"Its funny, y'alls pretty Japanese bikes have 1300cc 4 cylinder motors and crank out some nice torque and horses, but my Ducati has 2 cylinders and y'all still trying to keep up with me!"

Nick Knipp, 2011

He Man

you can get the shim set (non OEM and much better) For about $350. It pays for itself very quickly. I picked mine up and have used it for the past 4 valve adjustments ive done. and each adjustment costs me about $30-40 in extra shims once i know the size.

Slide Panda

One can buy individual shims as well. Aaaand it's possible you won't need shims at all. Case A) all valves are in spec. Case B) only openers need adjustment for being too tight. IN this case one can sand the existing shim down to give more clearance.
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Smokescreen

I gotta say I had no idea, the LT manual certainly didn't explain a belt off method, instead taking advantage of the belts being on to spin the whole motor, the same way I did with my 900 for every valve adjustment.  I still don't really understand how check the adjustment with the belts off would give a more honest measure, since the engine is generally run with the belts on? And my last two adjustments with the belts on seemed to go swimmingly. 

Having said that, if I can find a shop in CO that does those fancypants shims, I might just overpay someone to do that first of those... 
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He Man

The belt is applying a torque on the cam, the cam is what moves the rocker arm. if there is tension on belt then the rocker arm is being held. therefore it is not at its relaxed position. so when you are reading the measurement, you will be fighting the belt.

its much better and easier to do it with the belts off.

how do you check for binding with the belts on?

WetDuc

You check for binding with the belts on by spinning the engine crank tool to rotate the entire valvetrain.
I personally don't like doing the adjust with them on.  Belts take 1 minute and 4 bolts to remove, and resultingly make the entire process a lot easier and I think the final closer adjustment more accurate.
Would measurements really be that much off with the belts on?  I duno, but I don't think so.  My measurements were the same with belts on as belts off. 

All this being said, the thought of using the engine turning tool with the belts on to wiggle the cams that little bit to find the sweet spot where the opener rockers slide out of the way with the clips off would be, for sure, a nghtmare for me.

I am not sure why LT leaves the belts on for his adjustments, but I'm also not sure about his tuning procedure either, so...and... Still waiting to hear back from him on my email I sent over 3 weeks ago to ask him about it...
2007 S2R1000, 2009 M696 & 2008 M695 (foster bikes)

Smokescreen

Interesting. I'll try it with them off next time, if I can't find a shop around here that would put on the fancy c-clip thingys.  I think those might change everything. 
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He Man


Smokescreen

MBP retainers from EMS (http://www.emsduc.com/products.html#mbpcombos) would be the retainers I'm talking about.  Rather than being the rather imprecise c-clips that are for all intents and purposes, bent pieces of mild steel, these are larger and more directly shaped. 
Catching a yellow-jacket in your shirt at seventy miles per hour can double your vocabulary. 

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