Monster Wont Start Up

[jdliquid]

Hi Guys.

Its been a while since I've posted on here. Reason is My Duc hasn't had any technical problems.

Last week I went to start the bike up (2006 Monster S2R Dark), and noticed that the bike would not turn over. I got it to start up for a quick five seconds, but
noticed immediately that the engine was struggling to keep the motor running....as if it had no gas. I checked the tank and there was
plenty of fuel. I checked the oil level and all seems ok. I checked my battery, pulled it out, charged it up, and reinstalled. No dice.
I was told by a mechanic it is the battery, and it needs to be replaced. I replaced the battery YUASA BT12BBS. Installed the battery
last night...still won't start up. I don't know what to do, and I wanted to hear any troubleshooting suggestions before I had to live
with the cost of towing the bike to a mechanic.

Any ideas would be helpful and appreciated.

I was thinking that (is it possible that a line (a gas line) is clogged?? spiders or webs?? or something. I know it sounds ridiculous, but could it be possible?

Again, any and all would be appreciated.

Thank you all again.
J

[thorn14]

Do you hear the whine of the fuel pump priming when the key is ON but before you hit the starter button?

[jdliquid]

I want to say yes. as I did hear a whine and then the common sound of the bike  attempting to start. I will have to check tonight to make sure.

A lot of posts and links on google are mentioning the solenoid or the starter. Is this a job for a novice? My issue is I have no garage as I live in the
city UWS.

Im bummed. I took a mechanical workshop class last year, but I didn't learn that much as time was so limited. Damn.

[DarkMonster620]

A few questions if you don't mind:

1. Dashboard needles do the sweep?
2. Hear pump?
3. Bike in Neutral? 
4. How long was it stop?
5. Have you ever replaced the fuel filter?
6. How long has the fuel inside the fuel tank?
7. Has new battery been charged completely in slow mode[1.5-2.0A] or fast mode? 12.5V not equal a charged battery
8. Checked fuses?
9. Checked relays?

[jdliquid]

Hi OneTrack. My answers below:

A few questions if you don't mind:

1. Dashboard needles do the sweep?

--at first key turn, they do. I've noticed that after that point, when turning key to "off" then back "on" they don't sweep every time. I found that odd.

2. Hear pump?

--Again, I want to say yes, but I need to double check tonight...try to mask out the city noise, but I believe so

3. Bike in Neutral? 

--yes.

4. How long was it stop?

--bike sits parked, locked and triple locked for a one week duration. then I try to go for rides over the weekend

5. Have you ever replaced the fuel filter?

--I have not, but am unsure if it has been replaced. I will to need to ask the shop that did the tune up and the 12,000K full check

6. How long has the fuel inside the fuel tank?

--fuel has been sitting for a few weeks since last fill up. Plenty of fuel in the tank. Bike is covered with a weather proof cover

7. Has new battery been charged completely in slow mode[1.5-2.0A] or fast mode? 12.5V not equal a charged battery

--embarassingly enough, I completed all the steps to filling the battery with the electrolytes, I then sealed the battery using the replacement caps. I DID NOT see instruction provided telling me the battery needed to be charged up, although I did suspect it did. Nightfall was approaching fast, and I just wanted to rule out whether the existing battery was the issue. So without charging, I attempted to use the new battery. Now I understand I need to remove the battery, lift the seal a bit (for gassing), and charge up the new battery before attempting the startup. I hope I did not damage the new battery by not charging.

8. Checked fuses?

--Did not. I need to refer to my book to locate them and check

9. Checked relays?

--Selenoids? I'm not sure where to begin on checking those / and / or the relays. Again I would need to refer to my mechanic book to guide me.
I feel apprehensive without a private garage and a proper lift.

[Dirty Duc]

Check to make sure the vent tubes coming from the bottom of the tank are not pinched.  At least one will exit behind your right foot, the other would normally go to the charcoal canister if it was not removed.

If the charcoal canister was removed, some people tee the two lines together and only have one exiting behind your right foot, some run two lines to the same spot.

Also check to make sure fuel lines are not pinched underneath the tank.

You say it starts but acts like it runs out of gas.  other than fuel filter or gummy gasoline, as long as the pump primes the failure points in the fuel system are the hoses.

Hoses deteriorate with age and treatment, but there is a wide variance in lifetime depending on many uncontrollable variables.

[DarkMonster620]

-snip-

7. Has new battery been charged completely in slow mode[1.5-2.0A] or fast mode? 12.5V not equal a charged battery

--embarassingly enough, I completed all the steps to filling the battery with the electrolytes, I then sealed the battery using the replacement caps. I DID NOT see instruction provided telling me the battery needed to be charged up, although I did suspect it did. Nightfall was approaching fast, and I just wanted to rule out whether the existing battery was the issue. So without charging, I attempted to use the new battery. Now I understand I need to remove the battery, lift the seal a bit (for gassing), and charge up the new battery before attempting the startup. I hope I did not damage the new battery by not charging.

-snip-

For us dealers, Ducati has a weird and lengthy battery charging procedure:

4 hours on the "acid" + 4 hours on charger at 2A, our charger is 1.5A . . .  According to some of the guys at the factory and Yuasa reps, this seems to "lengthen" the battery life somehow.

You do not need to take the cap of, just connect the battery charger at lowest rating 1.5A or 2A and leave connected until ready to install back on bike . . . Just do it in a well vented area.

If you have your user's manual, it will show you where the relays are . . .

[Howie]

There is no where near enough info here.  Nor do we have any idea what your skill level is or what your tools have. 

Step 1, unless you are sure cranking speed is good is confirm the battery is good by fully charging and load testing.  Guess you bypassed that one by buying a battery without testing.  As to OneTrack's comment on charging it is believed that low maintenance and maintenance free batteries can develop a memory and not be able to reach full charge plus AGM batteries, like your Yuasa might not fully absorb the electrolyte into the glass mat unless properly charged.  Notice the words can and may, not will.

Step 2 is observe.  Gauges  sweep?  Fuel pump prime?  How is the cranking speed?  If the bike does not crank do you hear the solenoid?  Any unusual noises? 

Now you are ready to dig into diagnostics.  In the meantime, do a search on this board on threads about no start with my name in it.

[jdliquid]

Thank you Howie.
I will do a search.

And my skill level is novice at best. I think I may need to apply to a technical night school to learn more about moto's.

Weather permitting, I can tackle this troubleshoot into this weekend. First thing I'll do is remove the battery and charge fully.
The retest.

I'll run through these checkpoints and jump back on here once verified, and options eliminated one by one.

As for my previous statement, any suggestions on enrolling in a part - time night school where I can get hands on experience and learn quite a bit
would be greatly appreciated. in NYC or nearby.
Thanks fellas.
J

[Howie]

The only local course locally I can think of has been offered by Armen Armanian.  I googled him and came up blank.  This thread might help   http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=58943.0

If you need a shop my recommendation is   europeancycleservices.com    Up in Middletown, but well worth the journey, I would trust Steve and his crew with my first born.

Do you belong to DESMO  desmoducati.org  ?

[jdliquid]

Thanks Howie.

I actually signed up for his class. Was ok at best. The guy is very knowledgeable, but with all the other students (about 6-8)
constantly interrupting / and / or just obviously not interested in learning, it was difficult to walk away with solid experience.
I did learn some of the basics though. Interesting character too...very dry/sarcastic sense of humor. I need a hands on, nighttime or
partime course that would have me feeling confident I can tackle many of the basics on my own.

I just signed up to DESMO.
jdliquid3