2009 M696 Monster wiring problem

Started by alibaba, July 26, 2015, 09:09:45 PM

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alibaba

Without your help I am really up shit's creek.  While balancing the fuel tank to work on the battery, it fell and the 4 wires that go from the main loom into the electrical connector pulled out from the rubber connector.
Naturally, the color codes on the 4 wires do not match the color codes on the other half of the connector. 
The wiring diagram is  so tiny that it is impossible to see the color codes.  I think the only way I can get it right is for some kind soul to actually look at a bike an tell me which wires from the main loom connect to which wires in the loom going to the tank.

Right now I have just four needle like electrodes that must be reinserted correctly into the main loom rubber connector to match correctly with the tank loom connector.

Looking at the connector on the loom to the tank with the securing catch in the up position the wires are - from left to right - brown/white - green/black - pinkish light tan - and green black again. 

The four wires with their needle like electrodes that must be inserted correctly are in some order - red - white - blue - black.

Please help.

Ron

Yogi

#1
From What I can see
Harness has four wires going to plug Ducati put them in the following order Left to Right 4312
4 = Black > Earth
3 = Green/Grey
1 = Brown/White
2 = Black > Earth

From the pump plate you have four wires.

Pump = Two Wires   Red and Black
Sender = Two Wires Blue and White

This is the same for all Monsters and Hypermotards from what I can see.

I'm pretty sure the Brown/white cable is your feed for the Fuel Pump since it comes from the injection relay.  So all being correct the Red wire from the Fuel Plate should mate with the Brown and White you can use either of the Black wires off the loom to connect to the black wire off the  fuel plate.

This leaves the sender you have a 50% chance of getting it right first time. I am not sure if it will make a difference or cause damage. Hope it helps. I had assume the sender is just an on off switch since it just puts a lamp on the dash, and if that is the case I would say it would make no difference which way round you wired it. As it is just a NO circuit, when the fuel drops it closes the circuit and bridges both the wires.

Howie

If you go here  http://www.ducati.com/services/maintenance/index.do  and download the manual and go to the wiring diagram you can zoom in on what you want.

Yogi

It wont show him what he needs the wiring from the Fuel Plate is not on the OE wiring diagram..

ducpainter

He's right howie..I looked. The diagram for this bike is lacking.
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Raux


Yogi

Quote from: Raux on July 27, 2015, 07:26:30 AM
Take a pic.

What is wrong with you guys  [roll] I give a concise explanation of the wiring  and how it goes and I may as well have written it in German. So much for trying to help out. I could have just come on and been sarcastic and said use google which is actually what I did.

Google Fuel pump monster 696 1100 or Hypermotard IMAGES

Then have a look at the OEM wiring Diagram.

ducpainter

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    is even more amazing than yours."
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Raux

I suppose seeing a pic of the damage would twll me exactly what to see on my bike. Ive torn apart multiple ducati and from your description was not 100% on where the wires came out of.

alibaba

Raux  there is a large rubber connector that connects the fuel pump wiring loom to the main wiring loom.  The 4 wires that go into the connector on the main wiring loom have pulled out of the connector.  The wires end in 4 needle like electrodes that must be re-inserted into the empty connector in the correct positions.  Naturally,  [bang] the color coding on these wires do not match the coding on the opposing wires.

I think Yogi did a great job here.  I will be attacking the problem tomorrow and have to thank him in advance for the thoughtful presentation.

Thanks to all you great guys,
Ron

Howie

The connector has numbers 1-4 on it.  I don't know if the numbers are on both sides.  2 and 4 are ground (black).  Common ground.  3 is pink/yellow and goes to the low fuel light.  1 is either pink/yellow, brown/white or possibly a third color, can't tell from the diagram.  Not a problem unless both are pink and yellow.   If so, the wire from K4 on the computer is for the pump  Check for continuity with an ohmmeter.  Of course, this assumes the diagram is correct.

alibaba

Yogi - thanks for your efforts but none of your color coding matches my bike.

Howie - with your help we are getting close.  I can now confirm the following:
On the main loom connector there are indeed 4 numbers and the wires are inserted as follows exactly as you said:
#1 - brown/white  (probably a hot lead)
#2 - green/black - but lets call it black  (probably a ground)
#3 - pink/yellow - to the low fuel light
#4 - green/black - lets call it black (probably a ground)
Now - let's match and insert the 4 dangling wires going to the connector for the
fuel pump.
They are clearly Red, White, Blue and Black.
Which goes to what number on the corresponding connector?

Now to confuse things completely, in trying to 'ring out' these connections I have come up with an impossible situation.  With the key off, all 4 wires in the main loom connector show continuity to ground.  And worse, with the  key on, I can detect no voltage in any of these 4 wires.  Hopefully, that is so the pump does not run unless the engine is running??

I just hate to start guessing and hooking things up hoping not to blow fuses or fry wires or my Termignoni ECU.

alibaba

For the record and future searches - here is the correct connection of the fuel pump loom to the main loom
Main loom                                       Fuel tank loom
#1 â€" brown/white                        red      
   (probably the hot lead in)      (from starter connector or injector relay)
#2 â€" black/green  (ground)                black  (ground)
#3 â€" pink/yellow                              white
        (probably the low fuel light)   (to instrument panel)
#4 â€" black/green  (ground)               blue (ground?)

Raux

Glad you got it.