s2r 1000 compatable engine cases?

[DuciD03]

I mean Monster when I write M. that's what I thought - just checking ...

SportClassic and GT cases are interchangeable with other 1000's, AFAIK.

M1000 usually refers to Monster. MTS1000 or MTS1100 are Multistradas.

add SportClassic and GT to the case search list.

and what abot them "multi-strudles"? MTS1000 look the same / compatible? 

... quest for a good s2r 1k case (I see em for sale on flea bay but you have to look close some are damaged)

[Speeddog]

MTS have the bearings in the swingarm, so not candidates.

SS1000 will work, as well.

[DuciD03]

MTS have the bearings in the swingarm, so not candidates.

SS1000 will work, as well.

Can one install old s2r 1k bearings in MST case?

ah good ss1000 compatible too ...

[Speeddog]

Can one install old s2r 1k bearings in MST case?

Would require extensive work, machining, etc. Far too expensive to justify that route.

[DuciD03]

It's a bit confusing, yes.

S4, S4R, S4Rs, S4Rt, ST2, ST3, ST4, ST4S, M900, S2R1000, M1000, and possibly M1100.

... learning somethings about engines ...

ok looking at a S4R 1k engine case; - it looks compatible - but - to double check; comparing cases on line ....

Noticed that there's an oil window in the outer s4r case; but located in different spot on the s2r; and holes on the inner s4r case are a little different than on the s2r in that location; rooting of oil? or is it a mistake in the casting on an s2r case?

( ...and your right about the cooling pluming being to the outside of the inner cases; thus inner case being oil cooled, no coolant on the inner, (to my surprise).

[Speeddog]

Can you post links or pictures of what you're talking about?

[hnracing]

Hi,
Direct exchange engine cases for S2R 1000 2V ds are:
* S2R 1000
* Monster 1000
* 1000 SS
* Sportclassic dry clutch version, early model year.
* Monster 1100 ds

Following models do have wet clutch so they have an oil channel that have to be blocked.
There is a screw behind the front sprocket near the slave cylinder.
* SportClassic wet clutch version, later model year
* GT1000
* Monster 1100 Evo

Following model have correct swingarm, but lack the internal oil feed for the cylinder heads.
So external oil feed for the cylidner heads must be used.
* ST3 dry clutch version, early model year.

Following model have correct swingarm, but lack the internal oil feed for the cylinder heads.
So external oil feed for the cylidner heads must be used. And
do have wet clutch so they have an oil channel that have to be blocked.
There is a screw behind the front sprocket near the slave cylinder.
* ST3 wet clutch version, later model year

* Monster S4R 996 4V
* Super Touring ST4S 996 4V
engine cases seems to be next in line but is for sure not plug&play.

Following do not have correct swingarm desig.
* Hypermotard 1100 ds
* Hypermotard 1100 Evo
* Multistrada 1000
* Multistrada 1100

[DuciD03]

Hi,
Direct exchange engine cases for S2R 1000 2V ds are:
* S2R 1000
* Monster 1000
* 1000 SS
* Sportclassic dry clutch version, early model year.
* Monster 1100 ds

Following models do have wet clutch so they have an oil channel that have to be blocked.
There is a screw behind the front sprocket near the slave cylinder.
* SportClassic wet clutch version, later model year
* GT1000
* Monster 1100 Evo

Following model have correct swingarm, but lack the internal oil feed for the cylinder heads.
So external oil feed for the cylidner heads must be used.
* ST3 dry clutch version, early model year.

Following model have correct swingarm, but lack the internal oil feed for the cylinder heads.
So external oil feed for the cylidner heads must be used. And
do have wet clutch so they have an oil channel that have to be blocked.
There is a screw behind the front sprocket near the slave cylinder.
* ST3 wet clutch version, later model year

* Monster S4R 996 4V
* Super Touring ST4S 996 4V
engine cases seems to be next in line but is for sure not plug&play.

Following do not have correct swingarm desig.
* Hypermotard 1100 ds
* Hypermotard 1100 Evo
* Multistrada 1000
* Multistrada 1100

Thank - u sir !  

Well I know some stuff; but at the end of the day other mechaniacs know more.  

Im rebuilding this bike to learn stuff (I guess), I like tinkering with ducs, but this is deep detailed info on case variations, and ya, I realise the engine case is more than an engine case its also the central structural part of the bike; and this s2r 1k one having 2 snapped completely off case to frame mounts needs a new case, it is interesting to compare the nuances of duc engine design.

I found an excellent s4r case, good price, but its not plug and play for a s2r. different oil circulation; would have direct fit outer cases ... -sigh-; direct fit s2r cases in good condition would be the ticket -

* S2R 1000
* Monster 1000
* 1000 SS
* Sportclassic dry clutch version, early model year.
* Monster 1100 ds

I did spend some time removing the outer case to take pics and have a good looksy and determined the s4r would be some "macgiuvering" to get it to work 100%.

Still looking; If anyone has a low mileage good condition of the above short list at a good price let me know.



oh ... and

PS ... how does one? ... "( but lack the internal oil feed for the cylinder heads.)
... So external oil feed for the cylidner heads must be used."?

[hnracing]

"PS ... how does one? ... "( but lack the internal oil feed for the cylinder heads.)
... So external oil feed for the cylidner heads must be used."?"

The easiest way is to look how Ducati have done for the ST3.


* You can re thread the existing camshaft cover on the LHS. The threads used for camtiming.
* Block the existing oil channel in the head.
* Take oilpressure from the oil pressure sensor or use an engine cover from ST3, 749, 999 that have the
at the front or from the oilcooler.

For the non plug & play casings you must check
*  the position of the locating dowels.
* the oil return "openings"
* the diameter for the cylinder skirt.

[DuciD03]

"PS ... how does one? ... "( but lack the internal oil feed for the cylinder heads.)
... So external oil feed for the cylidner heads must be used."?"

The easiest way is to look how Ducati have done for the ST3.

* You can re thread the existing camshaft cover on the LHS. The threads used for camtiming.
* Block the existing oil channel in the head.
* Take oilpressure from the oil pressure sensor or use an engine cover from ST3, 749, 999 that have the
at the front or from the oilcooler.

For the non plug & play casings you must check
*  the position of the locating dowels.
* the oil return "openings"
* the diameter for the cylinder skirt.

Interesting I've looked at this 3 different times ....ya I can see what ya did; good mec / engineering knowledge to do that; beyond my mec knowledge; its at a risk, when of redesigning an engine and not covering something off so more premature ware or at worst blowing er up. How many miles do you have on her?