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Author Topic: Relay Buzz / Electrical Troubleshooting ( 2002 Monster M750 ie Dark 10kmi )  (Read 1155 times)
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« on: July 28, 2018, 12:08:52 PM »

Hi all,
Hope you can offer some assistance.
I've got a Monster that quit on me the other day.

Background:
2002 M750 ie Dark with Carbon Ferracci high pipes and about 10k on it.
Purchased used (maybe 4 or 5 yrs ago?).
Electronic Key stuff was disabled before I got it.
Instrument cluster is from an S4 but it matches and works.
Valves adjusted and belts replaced about 3k ago.
Running Mobil Delvac 1 5-40 in it and changing oil regularly.
K&N oil filters
K&N air filter installed instead of stock because it was available.

Circumstances and details:
When the bike has sat for a long time, and the battery gets a bit low Click-Click-Click... etc. will ensue when attempting to start. Since the bike is ridden fairly regularly that doesn't usually happen.

However, I recently took the Monster to NH and back... twice. I live in Philly, so that's about 375 miles each way, or a total of 1500 miles. Each time was in NH it sat from Saturday night until Friday night. On the last leg of the trip, headed home, I got caught in the rain, at night. It wasn't pleasant. Of course it stopped raining as soon as I got home. I was otherwise lucky on the trip. I got on the bike in the morning to ride it to the garage a block from my house. No problems. The bike sat in the garage from Sunday noon until Thursday afternoon.

The clicking did happen on Thursday, and I let it click a bit before the starter kicked in and the bike started up. I rode off gently at low rpm (sub 3.5k) to allow bike to warm up. (I was in a hurry to get somewhere, but I usually sit on the bike for a few minutes to let everything get warm. I still ride off slow, but the temp gauge gets to 121 in less than a mile in that case.) About half a mile later I realized I had forgotten something and had to go back to pick it up. At home, I turned the bike off grabbed the item and got back on the bike. Turned key, and... nothing except a faint buzzing. Repeated efforts resulted in same thing. Ended up taking another bike.

Troubleshooting (so far):
I traced the buzzing to the two relays on the left side of the airbox under the fuel tank.
According to the Ducati Workshop Manual they are the Main Relay and the Injection Relay.
The two relays look the same and have the same markings.
Siemens V23073 B1005 A302
I looked up my options for relays and came up with a decent list via this post:
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=698.msg993487#msg993487

I called a local NAPA shop, and the had one AR634 in stock.
I gave them the Bosch part number, and they said that the AR634 had been superceded by the AR606 and they had one of those in stock too.
I bought both of them.
Upon opening the boxes I noticed that the Napa parts have 5 blades while the Siemens have only 4. The do fit in the sockets, but they don't appear to be the issue, since the new ones exhibited the same symptoms as the originals.

Ideas?
Any help would be greatly appreciated since this is my primary means of transportation at this point.
Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2018, 12:14:23 PM »

Relays will buzz when they get insufficient voltage.

I'd have the battery tested.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2018, 12:55:09 PM »

I had it on a charger overnight hoping that was it.
Should that have made a difference?
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2018, 01:29:23 PM »

Usually, but it could also be a bad battery connection, bad ground, etc.

The fact that the issue occurs after the bike sits for a week is a good enough reason to check out the battery. Any idea how old it is?
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2018, 05:52:20 PM »

I hope it's the battery.
I haven't replaced it since I got it because I haven't had an issue with it.
Yuasa are well over $100.
The KMG that is in there now seems to have held up fairly well, considering.
Perhaps I'll replace it with another.
Thanks for the insights.
I'll post an update when the new battery goes in.
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2018, 06:49:53 PM »

If you bought the bike used 4 or 5 years ago, and it's still the same battery, I'll bet that's your issue.

You really should test things before you go out and spend money though.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2018, 07:41:32 PM »

DO fully charge the battery and have it load tested.  Yep, you probably need a new battery and, at four years old, replacement is a good idea, but you still want to be sure.  I would also go with the Yuasa.  Reason being they are shipped dry, rather than wet, time clock running.  My last Yuasa lasted seven years, and was still starting the bike.
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