696 Coil Issue

[bulldogs2k]

I fixed the coil issue this morning. It wasn't that bad. The bike runs a lot smoother. No more surging. 

Was it involved?  Where is the coil located at?

[Murdered Monster]

There's two of them. The first one is up under the front shroud. The second one is under the gas tank on the right side of the bike. A few post back explains it a little better. Only took me about 1 1/2 hours start to finish.

[Danmack_98]

I'm curious when all the m696s w/ this problem were purchased.  I'm just wondering what the most recent is.

[Raux]

apparently it's a VIN number check.
not sure how high the numbers go for the problem.

[bulldogs2k]

I'm sure by the time I get mine it will be a non-issue.  I actually prefer the swing arm to the sss of the 1100.   

[semyhr]

Is the coil issue always with a very high temperature of the engine oil? (i.e. almost full or 1 bar to the max)?

Or maybe someone had like 3 bars temperature but the engine didn't run very smooth?

[desmodan]

Is the coil issue always with a very high temperature of the engine oil? (i.e. almost full or 1 bar to the max)?

Or maybe someone had like 3 bars temperature but the engine didn't run very smooth?

That's what I'd like to know.

[Raux]

i never realizied i had the coil issue until 600 mile service 1 hr trip.. all around town stuff and never had overheat.

[desmodan]

Has anyone had the coil issue where only one of the coils was crossed?  My bike sputters at 4k RPM, but never over-heats (3 bars max).  I visually inspected the Horizontal Coil, and it appears to be consistent with what everyone is saying is the "correct" wiring (Gn/B wire on port 1, Br/W on port 2).  I suppose to be absolutely positive, I should pull off the gas tank and inspect the Vertical Coil... I just wanted to see if there was a precedent at all.

For general interest information, my bike came delivered from the factory with (at least the O Coil) wired as mentioned above (e.g. "Correctly").  My owners manual states the opposite (as does everyone else's).  It was manufactured in June '08

[Murdered Monster]

Has anyone had the coil issue where only one of the coils was crossed?  My bike sputters at 4k RPM, but never over-heats (3 bars max).  I visually inspected the Horizontal Coil, and it appears to be consistent with what everyone is saying is the "correct" wiring (Gn/B wire on port 1, Br/W on port 2).  I suppose to be absolutely positive, I should pull off the gas tank and inspect the Vertical Coil... I just wanted to see if there was a precedent at all.

For general interest information, my bike came delivered from the factory with (at least the O Coil) wired as mentioned above (e.g. "Correctly").  My owners manual states the opposite (as does everyone else's).  It was manufactured in June '08

I didnt have the overheating problem, but it did surge around 3-4 k. Both of my coil where wired wrong.

[slowrider]

Sooo... I'm gonna admit to being a little confused on all of this.  According to the info and instructions on fixing this, my bike is wired backwards...by looking at the front coil and seeing where the brown wire connects vs the greyish wire.  So, I called my dealer and asked him about the TSB..and he said yup, it's real, but if my bike had the problem it would run poorly.  So, my bike starts at the first poke of the button, runs great, never overheats.  I don't notice a severe stumble at the sub 4K range on the tach... it does lug a bit more in that range, but so did my last Duc...and even so, it's nothing terrible.

If it were not for this post, I'd never even think to look..cause the bike runs great.

Is it possible to have a bike with the wiring that matches the owner's manual diagram and have it not be wrong? 

-craig

[Sleeper_I]

Ok, prior to pick-up of my 696 two weeks ago, my dealership acknowledged that the coil issue does not affect my 696. I now have ~400 miles on her and I haven't notice any check-engine-light, starting problem, back-firing, or surging. She did, however, got up to five bars on the oil temperature gauge a few times but maybe sitting in bumper to bumper traffic under the >100 degree Texas sun had something to do with it.

Anyways, after all these readings, paranoia got the better of me and so I went and check myself.
Well, it seems like my baby's horizontal coil, or the "O" wiring harness to be exact,  at least is wired correctly (Incorrectly, according to the diagram in the manual)

Can someone confirm what I saw:
*note: the color on the wire may look orange or red but in reality it is brown.




Whether mine is wired right or wrong this should let other 696 owners know what they need to look at. Thanks Amlethae for the direction, this place is great!

Sorry to move off topic a bit but as I remove the shroud to take a look and snap the pictures the tube connected to the underside of the canister looks like it was routed upward as you can see in the first picture in the bottom right hand corner. Is this the correct routing as I think the open end shouldn't be routed upward and not connected to anything?

[slowrider]

Sleeper_I... thx for the post.  Mine is opposite from how yours is shown...which according to all the posts is 'incorrect'... but the bike has run flawlessly for 800+ miles.  I have a big ride coming up in 2 weeks and don't know if I dare switch it prior to that since I know it runs well now.

I love these forums...but at the same time I hate these forums    ...sometimes ignorance truly is bliss....


-craig

[Murdered Monster]

Sleeper- that is in fact the coil wires that we have been discussing. Any on your bike they are wired correctly.

Slowrider- I had the same thing with my bike. I had over 1000 miles on my bike and didn't have any problems with my bike. Nothing! But I switched the wires anyway. I did notice a little quicker response from my throttle and the minor surging went away. All of this is not the critical, but I didn't want my baby to be wired wrong.

[Sleeper_I]

Thanks for the confirmation Murdered Monster.

Slowrider, I'm sure you want your Monster to run in tip top shape for your big ride. Besides, it isn't healthy just because it run fine now. So get crackin' mate  , and happy  "[moto] ing".