Ducati Stradaperta 1200 DS

[Speeddog]

can we say "Modernized Cagiva Gran Canyon".....me likey ALOT!!!

Prettier than the GC.
Interesting to see what size the fuel tank ends up....

But, if we take half of the $ difference between what we've got in our GCs and that bike, and plow it into the GCs....

[Speeddog]

Lowest hard-part is the oil filter.  No problem on fire roads, but otherwise

if they use the over-the-clutch front exhaust, it will be easy to put a skid plate on it.

i'd use a plastic one, thick pvc or something that can flex a bit like on the Elefant 650.  attach it ot the lower crankcase bungs that aren't used.

Well, on the GC, lowest hard part is a toss-up between the oil filter and the fuel pump.
'Protected' by a plastic skidplate <cough.. foofy bellypan...cough>.

My GC took a hit from a flying rock, on the lower bend of the pipe on my last off-road outing.
Pretty sure it would have opened an exposed oil filter.

Needs a metal skidplate.

[swampduc]

Anyone care to guess based on the pics what this thing would way?

[zooom]

Prettier than the GC.
Interesting to see what size the fuel tank ends up....

But, if we take half of the $ difference between what we've got in our GCs and that bike, and plow it into the GCs....

hopefully the fuel capacity is at least what the GC is...

putting money into the GC isn't so much the problem...it is finding the parts to put into it...

if they use the over-the-clutch front exhaust, it will be easy to put a skid plate on it.

i'd use a plastic one, thick pvc or something that can flex a bit like on the Elefant 650.  attach it ot the lower crankcase bungs that aren't used.


Well, on the GC, lowest hard part is a toss-up between the oil filter and the fuel pump.
'Protected' by a plastic skidplate <cough.. foofy bellypan...cough>.

My GC took a hit from a flying rock, on the lower bend of the pipe on my last off-road outing.
Pretty sure it would have opened an exposed oil filter.

Needs a metal skidplate.

I had the rubber elbow break on my from time more than anything on my GC...the one that comes from the left side onto the pump that goes from the 5/16ths pipe to the 9/16ths pump nipple....if that skid plate wasn't there...debris or whatever would have surely broken it...(I ended up using a fuel rated connection piece that I got from work for a VW to replace it)...metal skid plate for sure!...even if the aftermarket ends up developing it by someone on AVDRider or something...

Anyone care to guess based on the pics what this thing would way?

wet weight fully gassed and whatnot... 450lbs....less once you replace the exhaust system of course...mine would end up weighing more as I'd want at least a Givi Monokey tailcase and possibly some Wingrack pannier system....

[ducatiz]

I actually see the demise of the full trellis frame as a step backward.

Goofy stuff they have done: Indiana, 999, new Monster design.

i don't think it's a step backward except as a stylistic element.

the forged frames are exceptional these days.  plus being open to mixing aluminum forged with steel trellis gives them the option to find the best design overall. 

it makes me sad, but i think we'll continue to see it come and go.

gotta remember the trellis only really came in around 91.  The bevel bikes had a very simplified tube frame which used down pipe support of the engine as opposed to a fully stressed design (IIRC).  The trellis, just like the dry clutch (on mass produced bikes) is a recent invention.

[swampduc]

If it did turn out to be about 450 lbs minus luggage, that wouldn't be bad at all with an 1100 or 1200 engine.

[Nitewaif]

It looks very Elefant/Gran Canyon-ish to me. 

[ducatiz]

It looks very Elefant/Gran Canyon-ish to me. 

don't all dual sports nowadays?

[ducatiz]

I actually see the demise of the full trellis frame as a step backward.

Goofy stuff they have done: Indiana, 999, new Monster design.

The Indiana was designed by Cagiva's CRC.  They adapted the frame of the Elefant 650.  There was a debate about whose name to put on it.  DOn't forget that Ducati cut its butter on touring bikes during the 60s, so a cruiser really wasn't a crazy stretch for them.

999 was actually a good overall design EXCEPT for the headlights and the top windscreen shape.  If you look at the race versions (i.e. no headlights) they look pretty damn cool.  Also, the 999 had TONS of cool stuff -- adjustable seat/tank angles, engine design, and so on.  The 999 got a bad wrap because it was a butterface, but that's all.

The new Monster design is getting good press overall.  People like it.  The only people who don't like it are the crotchety old owners (who may or may not be buying a new bike in the future -- I generally only buy used bikes because I am cheap and know how to fix them).  That being said, the 696 and 1096 or whatever is selling well considering the economy.