There is a blatant double standard on this board

[Slag]

I really do not know why this turned personal. I didn't like an email from a business. I never challenged anyone’s beliefs. I never said anything bad about anyone.  Yet because my beliefs make some people uncomfortable they feel the need to put me down. And how many threads does it need to be done in? I do not attack people on the forum. I am opinionated, and will post that opinion from time to time. Have they ever been a personal attack? Is anyone else here opinionated? I thought so. Careful, they may burn you at the stake.

There is a blatant double standard on this board. It is amazing how some people can get away with personal attacks, yet others are chased with pitchforks. Is 'piss off' really any different than another’s 'he can make the beast with two backs off' post? And I dare say that he had a better reason.  When another member is told they are a moron and how ugly their dog was, there were cheers of encouragement from another member ('you go girl' was the response.) Yet they complain and leave the forum due to a 'personal attack'(the 'he can make the beast with two backs off' post) on a guy who is sleeping with his wife.   There were even people calling for his banishment due to the post 

Many of my posts are indeed 'goofing around,' as Swanny so eloquently stated. So are plenty of other members’ posts. I find it fascinating that some people’s white noise posts are innocuous, while others 'are driving good people away.'  This forum would lose a lot of appeal without the white noise. This place is quality entertainment. It is better than TV. Why do people let this place stress them out?

 If you have a problem with a person, tell them or leave it alone. If you do not like someone’s avatar, shoot him/her a pm and let them know. Does calling 5 people and complaining about an avatar really do any good if you neglect to tell the person in question?

I understand that there are a lot of new people here that view things different than the old-timers. Why the double standard between the old and the new? Yes, I am a newbie. Many people joined this board 48 days before I did. There have also been quite a few newbs since then. We are not from TOB. We do not care about TOB. I read every post in this forum before I started posting, and have not really deviated from the precedent set by old-timers posts.  People deleted their accounts over the lack of motorcycle content back then too. 

May 6th, 2008. The birth of DFWM as I know it. May 14, 2008 at 08:46:48pm the two word thread is created. At 09:28:30 the pregnant doging begins. Less than an hour later.

How exactly are the newbs (or the westies) ruining this board? Yes, people are saying that. We all know it. I'm sorry that I finally had to point out the elephant in the corner.

I apologize to those whom I quoted or referred to in this post. It was impossible to say what I needed to without doing so. I hold no ill will towards any of you.

[TresGatos]

Zack, I don't know every aspect to what you refered to - I don't read it all or remember all I do read - but you stated your position in a clear manner.  Well done.

"Better than TV"  [thumbsup]you got that right!  Sometimes I have a knee-jerk reaction to some things and I reply before thinking it out, my bad. 

This forum helps me to relate and communicate with so many more people than before. 

Well that's about all I could come up with.  I'll hang up and listen now

[Ronr]

I guess I'm really out of touch. I didn't realize there was so much behind the scenes drama and ill will. I see a lot of good natured ribbing and teasing, not that much particularly maliscious. Funny how sensitive people get when you push their buttons, accidently or not. And I mean that in general terms, not anybody specific. I reckon it's human nature. At least we all have that in common.

[greenohawk69]

Slag,

Don't really know where you're coming from, maybe in passing or glancing at some threads.  None stick out in my mind.  I agree with you on the people whining about someone's avatar.  Get over it.  Time to Cowboy/girl up and move on.  I see posts with the term "Westies" in it, but other than that, I don't put much thought into where someone lives.  I live in Dallas, doesn't matter to me where you live...even if it is South Dallas.    I agree with your point that someone should talk/PM/contact the other person.  It would help if the wussification of America would stop and peeps wouldn't be so offended by every little thing.  

[caffeinejunkee]

Not sure about double-standards, but one thing to consider is that typed text is a poor form of communicating intent at times and leaves much room for perceptions to take over.

[Duc L'Smart]

Not sure about double-standards, but one thing to consider is that typed text is a poor form of communicating intent at times and leaves much room for perceptions to take over.

+ eleventy-billion

[dallas2r]

Not sure about double-standards, but one thing to consider is that typed text is a poor form of communicating intent at times and leaves much room for perceptions to take over.

Hey, what do you mean by that? Are you saying the Dallas folks are bad communicators!!

I keed, I keed.   

[swanny]

I am one of the old schoolers....I don't participate as much any more mainly because life changes and I don't ride as much anymore but all of the "white noise" is also a factor. You have to wade through a lot of worthless posts and threadjacks to find information out.  Then the threadjackers say "update the 1st post" so that makes the jacking okay.

Has the board changed from before...you bet.  Back in the day there wouldn't be all the bull shit that goes on now.  We were all very respectful of everyone else we mostly talked about riding motorcycles and we did a hell of a lot of that.  Most of the crap slinging was between me and DucTape but we still got together almost every weekend and rode our motorcycles.

Mentioned above was the loss of long time members....it is a shame that all members of the board cannot conduct themselves in a way that does not offend other people.  We are all adults.  Everyone one of the people that I know of that left are great people who have helped me and I have helped them in the past.  They are a wealth of knowledge and folks that are always willing to help others out.  It is an absolute shame that the are no longer active members of the board.

I pulled this from the rules section of the board....

ADDENDUM: General Posting Principles

Ok, so above we listed the dos and don'ts re how to conduct yourself on the board.  Here's a much simpler version.  Make sure that before you post you ask these questions:

1)  Will others think I'm being a jerk?

2)  Would I say this in front of my mother?

3)  Does this post contribute to the board or add value to this thread?

4)  Is this post on topic? Should I begin a new thread.

[bryant8]

I've been on both boards DML/DMF and this time of year it seems people are always more easily agitated. 

It's the riding "off-season" and the stress of the holiday season (whatever holidays you wish to recognize or not).  I won't go there...

With the size of the group now, not eveybody is going to agree or like everybody else all the time if at all.  No way around that

Grain of salt people... it's just a message board.

Internet communities are dynamic and change.  Some like the change, some don't... people come and go.

It's not as sterile as some would like and it's too sterile for others.  C'st la vie

The interwebs are a strange place.

Give/Take what you want to/from the board... just don't forget to tip the barmaid




Can I get another cliche in there?

[NorDog]

Must confess that I have no idea what the issue here is, or the history of disagreements, or whatever.

My personal rules are:

1) Avoid here any and ALL polarizing subjects like religion, politics, sex, etc.  I have plenty of opportunity to do that elsewhere.  I come here to escape that crap and for DUCATI based comaraderie.  I DON'T have opportunities for that much anywhere else.  I protect that opportunity here like it were a small, lovely child.

2) Always use emoticons to convey sarcasm/joking/jovial posts and statements that could be read as snarky or mean spirited.

3) Ignore the assholes that sneak through.

4) Stay away from threads that devolve into pages and pages of one liners riffing on the previous one liner.  Not really a rule.  Just don't have the time or interest to keep up.

5) If I think someone is rude to me, I'll call 'em on it and let them explain a true intent to the contray.  If they were trying to be rude, I brush the dust off my clothes and refer to Rule #3.

Happy Advent all.

Merry Feast of the Nativity.

Festivus for the Rest of Us (er, ah, the rest of ya'll)!!

UPDATE:

6) Oh yeah, I try not to take myself too seriously here either.

[♣ McKraut ♣]

it's crazy how the dynamics here completely mimic my time playing an online game called everquest and the guild i was part of.  uncanny.

why anyone would leave the group over nonsense on the board is beyond me...but i'm definitely not in the "know" so maybe there are other reasons.  i can only assume though.  i'm not always in the mood for reading through the nonsense and spastic posting...but half the time, i am the clown posting the nonsense and bs.  i just wish people wouldn't sweat all the small crap, and just enjoy the show...it's a great and diverse group of people we have here, and i hate to see us lose anyone.  that said, i really like the dynamic here, and can only hope we stay as active as we have been.  and here's to hoping we don't have to do many more of these little talks in 2009   

and lol @ norris using the word "lovely"...i'm not sure why that was so funny but i almost spit diet coke up...  thanks, dude.   

[Slag]

Thank you for the excellent posts. Bryant, I think that you have nailed it. and I wish that I could be as concise. Misunderstandings do happen, and the forgetting of an emoticon can be catastrophic!!  Real or imagined, many people have felt an uneasiness going down in the background.  It has been a far too frequent topic (in person) when we should be talking about other frivilous BS. 

Swanny, it is good to see you posting. I apologize that they have involved a  disagreement with me, but that is the way it goes. 

I would like to throw one more thing out there. It is very easy for the unhappy, vocal people to take the spotlight. I would like to point out once again the most popular threads on the entire Ducati Monster Forum, two of which are in our little DFWM section.






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[BarneePhife]

This board needs an enema.

[Duc L'Smart]

This board needs an enema.

Which brings to mind words of wisdom- It's better to give than receive

[Ronr]

Which brings to mind words of wisdom- It's better to give than receive

I'm not so sure.  Seems like a lose-lose.