Could the bike be fixed

Started by digital, February 07, 2009, 01:43:04 AM

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Oldfisti

Quote from: MotoCreations on February 07, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
It's a rather bit odd of what has happened here.

I can see the stem bending, but it would have to be a complete catastrophic shear failure of the stem for the forks to come off like this in the picture. 

More pictures are required to determine exactly what happened -- specifically a picture of the steering stem itself on the backside of the triple clamps.

It just doesn't make sense!  I've seen enough wrecked bikes and this is the first time I've ever since this.





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Quote from: Sinister on November 06, 2008, 12:47:21 PM
It's like I keep saying:  Those who would sacrifice a free range session for a giant beer, deserve neither free range time nor a giant beer.
Quote from: KnightofNi on November 10, 2009, 04:45:16 AM
i have had guys reach back and grab my crotch in an attempt to get around me. i'll either blow in their ear or ask them politely to let go of my wang.

PizzaMonster

Quote from: MotoCreations on February 07, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
It's a rather bit odd of what has happened here.
I can see the stem bending, but it would have to be a complete catastrophic shear failure of the stem for the forks to come off like this in the picture. 
More pictures are required to determine exactly what happened -- specifically a picture of the steering stem itself on the backside of the triple clamps.
It just doesn't make sense!  I've seen enough wrecked bikes and this is the first time I've ever since this.

+1 on seeing another picture showing the stem.

It makes you wonder about the quality of that weld in the first place.  Either they have made the weld a LOT stronger around the head tube on the 696 or somebody at Ducati failed the welding exam. 

(Of course...I suppose they weren't really meant to survive a head-on into a concrete wall were they? ..... [roll]...)
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Sleeper_I

Digital, it seems like in the picture the main wire harness from the bike to the instrument panel/headlight is torn off. That, in it self, may cause the bike to be written off. Fixing the torn harness may lead to other problems down the road. Replacing it requires a great amount of dis assembly not to mention it will sit in the shop for months on end waiting for parts.


NAKID

It doesn't take a lot to replace the wiring harness. Months on end waiting for parts? You mean the wiring harness? You can order the main harness as one piece. It may take a few weeks, but months? I don't think so...
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TAftonomos

Front hits on ducks always break the stem from what I've seen.  Seen bent triples and a broken stem with dead straight forks quite a few times.

I've got a broken stem laying around from that S4R I parted out last week, and a bent lower triple.  Forks are nice and straight, cept the axle clamps/lowers are trashed :(

w7ck7d

Well shit happens.But good thing your ok..
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digital

Quote from: MotoCreations on February 07, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
It's a rather bit odd of what has happened here.
I can see the stem bending, but it would have to be a complete catastrophic shear failure of the stem for the forks to come off like this in the picture. 
More pictures are required to determine exactly what happened -- specifically a picture of the steering stem itself on the backside of the triple clamps.
It just doesn't make sense!  I've seen enough wrecked bikes and this is the first time I've ever since this.

Quote from: PizzaMonster on February 07, 2009, 02:25:59 PM
+1 on seeing another picture showing the stem.
It makes you wonder about the quality of that weld in the first place.  Either they have made the weld a LOT stronger around the head tube on the 696 or somebody at Ducati failed the welding exam. 
(Of course...I suppose they weren't really meant to survive a head-on into a concrete wall were they? ..... [roll]...)

eh, I'm with you guys. This is mind boggling! I was at stand still, opened throttle and bang. Distance covered is at most 6 yards and i couldn't have reached more than 20 miles/hour if I am doing the math correctly.

Whether it is a wall or a car, same thing would have happened! May be the joint is designed to provide some sort of a crumbling zone for safety or there is an issue with the welding!

hmm, coming to think of it again, I should sue Ducati, not my neighbor  [laugh]

DucatiBastard

Very strange hit, Norm said it well earlier, you can fix ANYTHING with enough time and money, the question becomes wether it is economically feasible.  This'n, I'd say not.  As many others said, check head tube/welds etc.  And hey! glad you're ok enough to post!
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danaid

Glad your OK, that 696 clutch took me a long time to finally get use to. A lot of stalling in traffic from a stop, and like you, gunning it at times so that I won't stall trying to feather the clutch. If you get another 696 practice feathering the clutch on back roads and empty parking lots and the clutch action will become like second nature.
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Dave R

1st off without more pictures it's all speculation...  IMPO it doesn't seem to make sense from the one shot provided.   The handlebars, top and bottom clamps all seem intact and somewhat lined up ??  The steering neck of the frame seems intact ?  The steering stem on the triple clamps is pressed into the bottom clamp and hard to remove for sure and the top of the stem goes up though the top clamp. 

I suppose the steering stem could have sheared in two spots top and bottom and allowed the front end to somehow "fall off"  ???    I have inspected quite a few crashed Ducati's over tha past 17 years and this one takes the cake if that's what happened.  I have seen forks not bend and other parts of the frame or clamps snap from direct head on impact but that's only the case if the rider has the forks bottomed at impact from attempting to stop. 

I would like to see other pictures someday.  Glad no one was injured. 
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Raux

you know getting DUcati to evaluate your broken parts wouldn't be a bad thing. might save a life if there is a problem with them.

digital

Quote from: Raux on February 08, 2009, 02:45:00 AM
you know getting DUcati to evaluate your broken parts wouldn't be a bad thing. might save a life if there is a problem with them.

I was thinking the same! I want to settle the matter with insurance first then I will get in touch with Ducati.

I will get more picture in couple of days. I kept a little piece that was left behind after the accident and removal of bike. I think it is part of the stem but can not tell which is the top or bottom end of the thing. If you notice one end got a bit rusty after rain.

Hope this helps a bit!





Oldfisti

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Quote from: digital on February 08, 2009, 04:26:03 AM
I was thinking the same! I want to settle the matter with insurance first then I will get in touch with Ducati.

I will get more picture in couple of days. I kept a little piece that was left behind after the accident and removal of bike. I think it is part of the stem but can not tell which is the top or bottom end of the thing. If you notice one end got a bit rusty after rain.

Hope this helps a bit!







That definitely be the stem.  The aluminum part with the holes in it is the bearing preload adjuster.  You can see it when you look down at your bars. Goes thru the center hole in your top triple.  The rusty part looks like it snapped just above the lower triple.

Would love to see some close pics of the forks and triples, not to mention the steering head of the frame.

I'm with everyone else here...  never seen anything like that.   ???
Quote from: Sinister on November 06, 2008, 12:47:21 PM
It's like I keep saying:  Those who would sacrifice a free range session for a giant beer, deserve neither free range time nor a giant beer.
Quote from: KnightofNi on November 10, 2009, 04:45:16 AM
i have had guys reach back and grab my crotch in an attempt to get around me. i'll either blow in their ear or ask them politely to let go of my wang.

Norm

It really doesn't matter how or why it happened, if you're insured, you're getting a new bike. If you like projects and can weld, buy it back, if not screw it.
I've been riding a long time and I can assure you that with enough time and mileage, everybody here will do every possible stupid thing possible. I certainly have. You have sooo much more to look forward to. ;D Anything that you come out of alive is called experience, and the definition of experience is "what you get when you don't get what you want".

Mother

Bottom Triple failure

curious about the rust though