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« on: March 20, 2009, 03:24:58 PM »

My fiance loves motorcycles as much as I do but hates riding with me on my 696 because we're both very skinny.  She finds it hard to hold on to me while riding.  We just recently discovered the "handles" under the pillion seat on the 696 but haven't gone riding for a long time cause of the weather.  She's a bit nervous about holding on to only the handles directly under her.  Are there any tips anyone can give me to give to her to increase her confidence in using these?  We'd love to go riding more together but she definitely needs some help feeling comfortable.  Another complaint she's had is when I brake she feels compelled to support herself by bracing against the tank even though we've heard it's a big no-no.  So any tips on this also would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks for any help!!
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 04:09:56 PM »

I don't really see how being skinny makes it harder to grab on. I'd think the more bones you can wrap your fingers around the better. cheeky

But there's a learning curve for the passenger. I think once your fiancée starts relaxing more she will realize that she only really needs to hold on with her legs. Hands on your waist/hips should be more than enough.

Also don't forget to be extra smooth with the gas and brake (for her confidence).
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 01:45:54 AM »

there is a complete section on two up riding in Total Control book by Lee Parks.

get it and make her read it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 07:49:32 AM »

My fiance loves motorcycles as much as I do but hates riding with me on my 696 because we're both very skinny.  She finds it hard to hold on to me while riding.  We just recently discovered the "handles" under the pillion seat on the 696 but haven't gone riding for a long time cause of the weather.  She's a bit nervous about holding on to only the handles directly under her.  Are there any tips anyone can give me to give to her to increase her confidence in using these?  We'd love to go riding more together but she definitely needs some help feeling comfortable.  Another complaint she's had is when I brake she feels compelled to support herself by bracing against the tank even though we've heard it's a big no-no.  So any tips on this also would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks for any help!!

Bracing herself against the tank is fine.  Who said it is a no-no?

One big thing is for her to use her legs.  As you brake, she should sweeze you with her legs.  This will prevent her for sliding forward.  She'll start by squeezing too hard, forcing you to lock your arms to keep her from forcing you forward.  But after a while, it'll become instinctive and she won't squeeze as hard.  It's a lot easier for her to control her body movement with her lower body than with her arms.

The biggest thing is for her to relax.  She needs to allow her body to follow yours when in turns and realize that she's not just going to fall off.  The more energy she put into staying onto the bike, the less she'll enjoy it and the less confidence she'll have. 

Re holding onto you, try to find a place on your gear she can latch onto.  The Blonde reaches around and hold onto my giant dong the lower edge of my jacket.  Somehow, she can twist her hand up around theedge and get a good hold.  Hell, if it's really a problem, wear a belt on the outside of your leathers (turn buckle to the side).  That'll give her something to hold onto.

Re the handles, she's going to get very tired if she actively tries to hold onto those.  The key to the handles is to relax.  Her hands should be on the handles, but not tightly holding them.  She should use them only as necessary--braking, accelerating, whatever. The rest of the time, her hold on them should be very light.

You can help her confidence by trying to be as smooth as possible on the brakes and the clutch.  Also, work out a series of hand gestures so that she knows what's coming.  The hardest part about being a passenger is being out of control.  I like to make sure my passengers know when we're about to hit a big pothole, when I'm about to whomp on the throttle or when the ride is going to get aggressive.  It also give them an opportunity to "tap out" if they don't feel comfy with what's goin' on.

Big picture?  You're describing standard concerns from a new passenger.  Seat time will make a big difference in her comfort level.  And when she's more comfortable, you'll be a lot more comfortable because she be as big a presence behind you when you're riding.   
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2009, 08:04:43 AM »

people will chime in with lots of little suggestions...this is one of those things we all know but coming up with everything at once is difficult...

have her look over your inside shoulder in turns.  This will help to keep her from crawling up the outside/highside to keep from leaning.  So look over left shoulder in left turns, and move head over to look over right shoulder in right turns.


feet up on pegs at stops.   She shouldn't take her feet off the pegs.   

Work out signals for her getting on the bike when you're ready, signals for you actually starting to move, and signals for her getting off the bike when done.  All of those things are bad as a surprise.

tell her to re-adjust and squirm when you are going fast and straight, not when you stop at a light.    The bike is very stable on the highway and her moving a little won't effect much.    Her squirming or readjusting at a light without warning can tip you over if you aren't ready.

I think the little grab handles are useless unless you have a small back pad or sissy bar type thing...otherwise too easy to fall off the back.  Hang on around rider..tank bracing for hard stops is fine.

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2009, 11:36:52 AM »

As stated above, pillion is not a passive activity. She'll need to learn to use her legs to keep her from sliding around. The biggest problem that I had with my last girlfriend was that we would keep knocking helmets because she didn't feel comfortable leaving a gap between us. I started wearing a backpack with a jacket or blanket stuffed in it to add some padding and it helped a lot. Also, because I'm small and thin I don't take up the whole front of the seat so she would sometimes slide off the pillion section into the front seat with me. It actually wasn't that bad and I could handle the bike a lot better with both of us in the front seat.  Tongue

As for pressing against the tank, the only reason I didn't like it was that it made us feel separated. She wouldn't hold onto me as much and it just made the bike feel like there was a lot of extra weight being thrown around on the back of the bike which made it difficult to handle. When she held onto me it felt more like we were moving as a unit and the bike felt easier to handle. Maybe it was just my imagination.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2009, 11:40:45 AM »

I started a 2-up FAQ a while ago.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2009, 08:28:50 AM »

The DP touring seat makes a big difference for a pillion on the 696. Before I replaced the seat my fiancee would always slide into me whilst braking, now she hardly moves.
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