What bike would you like to see Ducati make, in 50 words or fewer?

Started by ducatiz, March 25, 2009, 06:36:28 AM

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Monstermash

I actually have two I'd like to see them make.

1. A 2V version of the 848/1198.

2. A 2V version of the Streetfighter.

What can I say, I like the simplicity of the air cooled motor.
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848 & 1198 ST (MS needs to go away IMO)

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jftoha

I think about this so much is not even funny. I would love for DUCATI to make a new SS. I would design it so that the riding position is between the 1198 and the ST3 but with the styling much more sporty than the ST3. Of course I would use the new 1100 DS and would make accessories for it so that people can take it in the sport touring direction or the sport/GT direction. This would most likely eliminate the need for the ST3 but that bike hardly sells anyway and the styling says anything but Ducati IMHO. On the other hand, the original SuperSport was not comfortable enough for longer distances or older people. Ducati should build something between 1198 and what most manufacturers call sport tourer, not a 1198 with a less powerful engine.

It has to look sporty, just like the original SS but with a more comfortable seating position. It seems like you have to be a Racer who only rides 10 minutes at a time, or an older fat tourer these days. Ducati should bridge that gap. Where is the equivalent of a BMW 650, Merc CL550, or Jaguar XK8 these days. It seems like we only get the equivalent of Ferraris Enzos and Porsches 911 Turbos from Ducati.  I often think that Ducati does not offer a bike in which one can go for a 3 day ride with friends to look for the best twisties or to explore out of state race tracks. A bike one can take for a fast day trip with the girlfriend or wife, or a fast track day. I would think that most people over 30 would at least consider something like that at one point or another. Don't you think?? I would, and would gladly pay more than I did for my s2r 1000. The styling plays a huge role for me and I assume the rest of Ducati owners. Most bikes that attempt to do what I say end up  with designs that look too big, lardy and upright like the VFR, Triumph Sprint etc. The ST3 is even worse!! Give us a versatile SuperSport please!. I promise I'll buy it the day it hits the dealers!!


Quote from: ducatizzzz on March 25, 2009, 06:36:28 AM
I want to see Ducati make a single again.  Not the frankenstein single they made with the Supermono, but a bonafide single that is reminiscent of the design they used for their old bikes.  They could make a cool lightweight sportbike with 60-70 hp and also use it in a traditional-style bike reminiscent of the Mk3.  I would buy one in a minute.

Travman

I would like to see an updated Sport Tourer.  The ST3 is a great bike.  It is the lightest and best handling of all the bikes marketed as sports tourers.  Now imagine the ST3 with a 1098 engine and it would be perfect.  It could be named the ST1098.

MotoCreations

1) DS1100 2-valve powered Supersport with a singlesided swingarm based upon their 80's era racing classics (I'm building one as they haven't done it)

2) Modern single (@500cc) w/fuel injection and a retro-styled bodywork and an option for 3/4 fairings racer bodywork.  Base price < $5000.  

minnesotamonster

Quote from: jftoha on March 25, 2009, 11:31:45 AM
I think about this so much is not even funny. I would love for DUCATI to make a new SS. I would design it so that the riding position is between the 1198 and the ST3 but with the styling much more sporty than the ST3. Of course I would use the new 1100 DS and would make accessories for it so that people can take it in the sport touring direction or the sport/GT direction. This would most likely eliminate the need for the ST3 but that bike hardly sells anyway and the styling says anything but Ducati IMHO. On the other hand, the original SuperSport was not comfortable enough for longer distances or older people. Ducati should build something between 1198 and what most manufacturers call sport tourer, not a 1198 with a less powerful engine.

It has to look sporty, just like the original SS but with a more comfortable seating position. It seems like you have to be a Racer who only rides 10 minutes at a time, or an older fat tourer these days. Ducati should bridge that gap. Where is the equivalent of a BMW 650, Merc CL550, or Jaguar XK8 these days. It seems like we only get the equivalent of Ferraris Enzos and Porsches 911 Turbos from Ducati.  I often think that Ducati does not offer a bike in which one can go for a 3 day ride with friends to look for the best twisties or to explore out of state race tracks. A bike one can take for a fast day trip with the girlfriend or wife, or a fast track day. I would think that most people over 30 would at least consider something like that at one point or another. Don't you think?? I would, and would gladly pay more than I did for my s2r 1000. The styling plays a huge role for me and I assume the rest of Ducati owners. Most bikes that attempt to do what I say end up  with designs that look too big, lardy and upright like the VFR, Triumph Sprint etc. The ST3 is even worse!! Give us a versatile SuperSport please!. I promise I'll buy it the day it hits the dealers!!



What part of "50 words or fewer" don't you understand?   [laugh]

My vote goes to the 60-70 hp single others have described  [thumbsup]
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Markus

Quote from: Travman on March 25, 2009, 11:40:32 AM
I would like to see an updated Sport Tourer.  The ST3 is a great bike.  It is the lightest and best handling of all the bikes marketed as sports tourers.  Now imagine the ST3 with a 1098 engine and it would be perfect.  It could be named the ST1098.

+1
A fully faired, updated 4v ST model would be my recommendation. Standard equipment: heated grips, hard bags, adjustable bars and pegs, comfortable seat, tall screen option and several aux power outlets for GPS, heated clothing, etc. Bring back the Dzus fairing fasteners, please! On-the-fly adjustable suspension (a la BMW) would be nice.
:)
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FatguyRacer

Quote from: Markus on March 25, 2009, 12:04:48 PM
+1
A fully faired, updated 4v ST model would be my recommendation. Standard equipment: headed grips, hard bags, adjustable bars and pegs, comfortable seat, tall screen option and several aux power outlets for GPS, heated clothing, etc. Bring back the Dzus fairing fasteners, please! On-the-fly adjustable suspension (a la BMW) would be nice.
:)

In addition to the other things mentioned for a 4v ST let's add:

A Single sided swing arm (great for quick maintenance)
A usable tool kit (there is not a single tool in my ST4s kit that would fix a thing-I carry a multi-tool that you buy in a bicycle shop)
Underseat exhaust (like the Triumph ST)
Radial Brembo's
Ohlins Forks (to go with that wonderful Ohlins shock)
Bar riser kit
Carbon Fiber body panels and front fender
Real Marchisini mag wheels (not those stickered Brembos, though they are nice)
Mirrors that will let you see whats behind you (this is true of all Duc's though)
Hard case keys that don't break off in the locks (Oy vey! Don't get me started...)
Proper sized wiring

And last but not least - Subcontract the headlight assemblies out to Paul Geller of Ducati Designs.

(say  I think i went more than 50 words)




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Markus

Quote from: FatguyRacer on March 25, 2009, 12:20:38 PM
In addition to the other things mentioned for a 4v ST let's add:

A Single sided swing arm (great for quick maintenance)
A usable tool kit (there is not a single tool in my ST4s kit that would fix a thing-I carry a multi-tool that you buy in a bicycle shop)
Underseat exhaust (like the Triumph ST)
Radial Brembo's
Ohlins Forks (to go with that wonderful Ohlins shock)
Bar riser kit
Carbon Fiber body panels and front fender
Real Marchisini mag wheels (not those stickered Brembos, though they are nice)
Mirrors that will let you see whats behind you (this is true of all Duc's though)
Hard case keys that don't break off in the locks (Oy vey! Don't get me started...)
Proper sized wiring

And last but not least - Subcontract the headlight assemblies out to Paul Geller of Ducati Designs.

(say  I think i went more than 50 words)


Yep, you can add most of those to my original list too, please. [thumbsup]

And how about using the ignition key for the hard bags, too. Supplying a separate key specifically for the bags is ludicrous.
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Monstermash

Quote from: FatguyRacer on March 25, 2009, 12:20:38 PM
In addition to the other things mentioned for a 4v ST let's add:

A Single sided swing arm (great for quick maintenance)
A usable tool kit (there is not a single tool in my ST4s kit that would fix a thing-I carry a multi-tool that you buy in a bicycle shop)
Underseat exhaust (like the Triumph ST)
Radial Brembo's
Ohlins Forks (to go with that wonderful Ohlins shock)
Bar riser kit
Carbon Fiber body panels and front fender
Real Marchisini mag wheels (not those stickered Brembos, though they are nice)
Mirrors that will let you see whats behind you (this is true of all Duc's though)
Hard case keys that don't break off in the locks (Oy vey! Don't get me started...)
Proper sized wiring

And last but not least - Subcontract the headlight assemblies out to Paul Geller of Ducati Designs.


So you're saying you wouldn't mind spending over $20K for a sports tourer?  [laugh]
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Popeye the Sailor

Wouldn't that happy little sport tourer be happier with a longer maintenance interval too?


Seriously-if you're going to ride 20K a year-do you want to do three services or one?
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Markus

Quote from: MrIncredible on March 25, 2009, 12:39:45 PM
Wouldn't that happy little sport tourer be happier with a longer maintenance interval too?


Seriously-if you're going to ride 20K a year-do you want to do three services or one?

I'll take 1 valve adjustment for 20k miles, please.

Maybe our all-new ST will mark the beginning of the end for the Desmo valve?
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Lars D

What was said above about the ST but perhaps whith the 1400cc Vyper motor,
and maybe a heated seat


m1moto

450/500 single that uses the same frame with different body/tank panels to create 3 different models :
Cafe Racer
Standard/Naked
Motard or Scrambler

Something that can be sold as a sub $5000 entry level machine. Get more beginners and woman into Ducati's.
Can be used by Ducati dealers for MSF training like HD is using the Buell Blast.

+
then use that same engine in a a super-light trellis framed scooter that will eat Vespas for breakfast
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