New ST conceptualizing - what should ducati build poll 2nd place winner

[mitt]

not to be contrary...
but wasnt the last ST series dropped by ducati due to low sales?

Yeh, but what do they know?  If they would just build one like us experts are saying, they could sell a million of them     

No, seriously though, a couple things that scared tourers away would have to change - like maintenance for example.

I don't think anyone would say the ST wasn't a great bike.

mitt

[LA]

The normal evolution of the ST4 is what I would like.  As light as it can be using the Street fighter geometry - a little longer here is good.

An 1198 engine with full power, although I know if it were to come out now it would have a 1098 in it, the street fighter engine in it.

As easy to maintain as possible so far as removal of faring etc.  Hell I really don't see where desmo valves are necessary - I know sacrilege.

It would be interesting if a 106 X 78 was used to yield a 1375cc revving to about 8500 rpm for 4350 lfpm piston speed - 250 or so less than 999 Testastretta. Same heads as current 1198 (43.5mm intakes). It would be a torque king kong.  With the extra length of the S Fighter frame the engine placement should be doable.  It's just 10.5mm increase stroke.

Weight:                 less than 450 lbs wet, no bags
HP:                       150 RWHP
Torque:                 115 - 120 lb.ft.

LA

[PizzaMonster]

My version of the dream bike:

Weight:                 less than 420 lbs
HP:                       100 -110 hp
Torque:                 80 ft.lb.
Price:                    somewhere between a 1000S and a Multistrada  ($12K -$15K Cdn.  don't know U.S. prices )
Engine Features:    Either a de-tuned 848 engine but I'd also be happy with an air-cooled 1000DS engine if it lowered the price,
                            Longer maintenance intervals
Extras (luggage, power outlets, etc): removeable luggage, Lower seat height (31 inches) , adjustable (higher) handlebars, HID headlight, adjustable
                                                      windshield.

I don't need (or even want) the power that a 1098 engine would produce but the same specs with that engine would be killer too.

And as usual ... I will stir some controversy.      PLEASE... Please don't make it "Buck Rogers" UGLY like the Multi, the Streetfighter, or the new Monster!  How about using the classic SS800 as the design inspiration?

[PizzaMonster]

Hmmm...After reading my specs..I think I should forget the ST and just go over to the other poll and build my dream SS.   [moto]

Maybe the ST should should be the big-engined, long distance tourer and the SS should be it's lighter, more nimble, smaller displacement and slightly less long-distance sister.

[FatguyRacer]

The sales weren't bad for a bike they never advertised or promoted. It's like I belong to some secret society where we all know that we own what could be the best all-round do everything motorcycle ever created.

I think I mentioned my wants in another thread, but to reiterate:

1. Single Sided Swing Arm.
2. 1198 motor with the same head mods that gives the ST4s great mid-range.
3. Underseat Exhaust.
4. Wiring for Autocom system (I need this for moto-marshalling)
5. Hazard flashers. (I need them for moto-marshalling)
6. Lighter wheels than the Brembo "Marchisinis" (Maybe an option for CF wheels)
7. Radial mono-block calipers with the large diameter rotors.
8. Ohlins forks as standard on 's' model STs. (just like the Uglystrada)
9. Longer service intervals. I'd be happy at 10k, afterall, I am asking for a detuned SBK motor in the chassis.
10. Blinding lights, just like the Ducati Designs light I have retro fitted to my ST4s
11. Carbon fiber body panels with Dzus fastners.
12. For Ducati to hire Germans to do the electrics. At least they'll put in the right size wiring.
13. One key for everything.
14. A tool kit that has tools that are really practical for emergency roadside repairs.
15. Bar risers
16. Heated grips
17. Heated seat (Sub this out to Sargent, cause Ducati seats are the suck)
18. Ditch the Uglystrada digital dash and bring back the cool analog SBK dash like my ST4s has.
19. Traction control (I ride in the wet often)
20. Move back the oil filler to a place where partial faring removal is not necessary to top off the oil. Or redesign the fairing to achieve the same goal.
 
I sure I can think of more things...

[zenjim]

Fully adjustable rear shock
Agree with most of the other stuff, particularly adjustable screen, comfy biposto for non-supermodel/ Pedrosa  sized people, heated grips, big ole gas tank, decent luggage with one key...
But can I get it in red?

[ScottRNelson]

So far it looks like everybody is okay with chain maintenance.

Nobody wants a shaft or belt drive?  (I'm happy with the chain.)

[Moronic]

Sounds like most of you guys are asking for something rather like the so-called Multistrada Replacement, as pictured here:

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18871.0

Weight, power, two-up capacity, suspension, fuel range likely about right.

So is there something about this bike that wouldn't also make it the ST replacement?

People say they want comfy. But is the point to have comfy in something that still looks more like a GP replica than a trail bike or GS?

And if so, how can it be done any more comfy than the ST already did it?

[Carstarphen]

So far it looks like everybody is okay with chain maintenance.

Nobody wants a shaft or belt drive?  (I'm happy with the chain.)

BMW has been plagued with final drive failures for the last several years.  DNF because of such failures was a not so funny joke among the Iron Butt and endurance riders. Riders are looking at other brands now and the number of BMWs in endurance riding supposedly declined.

A chain drive is actually more efficient and a lot easier to fix, even if you have to carry a chain tool and extra chain. So I'm happy with chain also.

[Raux]

Sounds like most of you guys are asking for something rather like the so-called Multistrada Replacement, as pictured here:

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18871.0

Weight, power, two-up capacity, suspension, fuel range likely about right.

So is there something about this bike that wouldn't also make it the ST replacement?

People say they want comfy. But is the point to have comfy in something that still looks more like a GP replica than a trail bike or GS?

And if so, how can it be done any more comfy than the ST already did it?

one of my biggest complaints about the ST when i did try it on, was its size. it was heavy, COG top heavy and tall. the MS followed suit by being so tall i guess for 'offroad' capability. a new ST should be something that can handle the autobahn at speed and twisties in the mountains all while COMFORTABLY seating two with their luggage for a week of riding. you shouldn't have to be 6'+ and 200 lbs to handle it in a parking lot, or benchpress a ton to get it on the center stand.

so in my ideal world

Weight:                 less than 400 lbs dry for small 420 for large
HP:                       100 -110 hp for small, 150-160hp for large
Price:                    11,000 for small, 14,000 for large
Engine Features:    848 and 1198 motors tuned for more torque less HP
Extras (luggage, power outlets, etc): removeable luggage (side, rear and tankpanels), Low seat height (no more than 32 inches) , high handlebars, HID and useable flasher (touring needs breaks and a single turn signal is dangerous on the highway), 2 or 3 position windshield, two-possible bodywork styles (half and full fairing). heated grips and power outlets for GPS, heated gear, comms.

[ScottRNelson]

one of my biggest complaints about the ST when i did try it on, was its size. it was heavy, COG top heavy and tall.

One of the things that I like the most about the ST is that it has more leg room than the Monster.  Monsters are good for short people and STs and Multistradas for those of us who don't have that problem.

I agree on the weight part, though.  I don't mind the weight of my ST unless I'm getting off of a lighter bike right before riding it.

[Raux]

One of the things that I like the most about the ST is that it has more leg room than the Monster.  Monsters are good for short people and STs and Multistradas for those of us who don't have that problem.

I agree on the weight part, though.  I don't mind the weight of my ST unless I'm getting off of a lighter bike right before riding it.

i'm 5'10" and felt uncomfortable at lights.

[Triple J]

i'm 5'10" and felt uncomfortable at lights.

You just needed to get used to it. I'm 5'9" (at best) and have been riding a Multi 1000 for 2+ years...in all weather conditions. You just have to plan your stops more carefully until you get used to the height...no problem. That's not to say you have to choose where to stop...you just can't put your foot down indecisevly, or at the last second. Basically, the height forces you to become a better rider.

People may hate the looks, but the Multi is very comfortable...and it is WAY easier to handle at slow speeds than a Monster, despite it's height and weight.

[VisceralReaction]

I think I can comment on this since I have an 05 ST3.
What would I change?
I love the bike first off, they changed a number of things for the 05 model year that fixed alot of earlier gripes.
Ducati upgraded the seat and the headlight. I put 1400 miles on the bike in 2 days and felt great. the ergos are
really nice. But what to change? As mentioned before, the valve and belt maint needs to be extended. It's a pain that
I have to do a valve and belt change once if not twice a year!
The luggage is great but come on, you only need one key, not two. I freaking hate that.
the 05 has a powerlet outlet so that's cool. I wired a powerlet in my tank bag too so I have tons of extra plugins.
More power. The 05 has the 992 in it. I would love a bit more power to the rear wheel.
Some people have mentioned better wind screens etc. I want to keep the "sport" aspect of the bike.
Just fix the little things. Oh and adjustable suspension all in one model instead of a base model (ST3) and the
model with better suspension (ST3s).
I liked Scott's mentioning being able to take the body work off in under an hour. I switched to Dzus fasteners but it's still
a pain to change the oil or get at the battery.

[Mika]

heated grips, heated seat