2.5" & 3.5" clip-on risers, Speedymoto or Swatts?

[ungeheuer]

Hi Ladies and Gentlemen - I'm in the research phase for which clip-on/risers to fit to my M696 [edit:and M1100] and I know y'all will have some valuable input for me.... so other than the price difference, what's your thoughts on the plus and minus of these bars by Swatt and Speedymoto?


http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/08-0250/Bars-Mirrors/08-0250.html


http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/CL-50/Bars-Mirrors/CL-50.html

I'm thinking 3.5" rise......  

Looking forward to your comments, expert advice and general musings.....  Thanks guys  

[stopintime]

Swatts are mounted in front of the forks. The result is a slightly longer reach and narrower position of the bars - compared to the SpeedyMoto. Compared to stock, mostly because of the added sweep, the reach is shorter. You will be able, if so needed, to have a steeper sweep back angle without the bars hitting the tank.

The SpeedyMotos are mounted on the sides of the forks. Because everything is further outwards, the sweep angle might (?) be set similar to the Swatt set up, without being limited to a smaller sweep angle. The reach will be shorter than stock and even shorter than with Swatts.

SpeedyMotos have extra adjustability for the bar angles. That feature could be valuable.

I have not been able to establish if the spacers are required for the SpeedyMoto/coffin masters combo. If not, the price difference decreases.

To me, the SpeedyMoto seems to be higher than the 3.5" Swatt, even if the information tells me they should be the same(?).

[Old_and_slow]

SpeedyMoto has told me that the coffin reservoir masters fit the tall boy clip-ons without spacers.

[ungeheuer]

Thanks for your reply stopintime....    Although I'm not clear on what you meant when you said this:

....Because everything is further outwards, the sweep angle might (?) be set similar to the Swatt set up, without being limited to a smaller sweep angle.

Do I understand that coz the Speedymotos are mounted outboard of the forks there's a wider range of sweep angle before the bars would contact the tank when compared to the Swatts??  And so potentially offer greater range for adjustment??

I agree, that form the pics Speedymoto's 3.5" looks like a taller rise than Swatt's 3.5" - I guess it comes down to the definition of 3.5" of rise...... as measured from where?!   

Thanks again.

[angler]

I agree, that form the pics Speedymoto's 3.5" looks like a taller rise than Swatt's 3.5" - I guess it comes down to the definition of 3.5" of rise...... as measured from where?!   

Thanks again.

I would love to see the answer to that question.  I have a set of cyclecats off a multistroodle I have yet to install.  They have quite a bit of rise, but not sure how to reference the measurement to compare them to other options.  Is it from the top of the fork tube clamp to the center of the bar clamp?  That seems to make the most sense......

[stopintime]

Thanks for your reply stopintime....    Although I'm not clear on what you meant when you said this:

Do I understand that coz the Speedymotos are mounted outboard of the forks there's a wider range of sweep angle before the bars would contact the tank when compared to the Swatts??  And so potentially offer greater range for adjustment??

I agree, that form the pics Speedymoto's 3.5" looks like a taller rise than Swatt's 3.5" - I guess it comes down to the definition of 3.5" of rise...... as measured from where?!   

Thanks again.

On your first question: yes, that's what I meant. I haven't tried the SpeedyMotos, but it seems logical.

Second question: I have been told by both manufacturers that the rise is compared to a clip on without rise (as in under the triple). I think the correct way to measure them is from bottom/center/top of one - to the same place on the other. Not sure if both manufacturers do it that way.
My guess is that SpeedyMoto might be comparing with their normal clip ons - which has a 20mm (4/5") built in rise to begin with. Worth checking?
They should be able to give a measurement on the whole assembly to compare with the 5" of the Swatts.

The whole Swatt assembly is 5" - I want a number from bar center of a no-rise to bar center of a 3.5" ----- I deduct 5mm x 2 for the material on top and bottom and I deduct one bar thickness of 22mm = 93mm/3.7". Close enough to say Swatt has the "correct" measurements.

Question on coffin masters without spacer: I seriously doubt it. On my bike it could just maybe have worked on the clutch side, but no way on the brake side!
Swatt originally said that no spacers were required, but it turned out that was from working on older bikes, which had the smaller reservoirs on the brake side as well. Maybe SpeedyMoto is doing the same mistake?

[speedy]

Well sorry for the confusion, we (SpeedyMoto) measured our 3.5 inch rise from the top of the (average) top triple clamp to bar center, or 4.5 inches from bottom of top triple clamp to bar center or 5 inches compared to a clip-on with no rise..  Our Tall Boy' s have been designed specifically for the Monsters and Sport Classics to give you maximum adjustment.  Our "outboard fork" design allows this with no interference with the gauges and headlight bracket.  There is no need for new brake lines and the small coffin style master cylinders will fit.  The coffin masters can inhibit some of the adjustment range the Tall Boys are capable of  but adjustment is still reasonable and you don't need to run spacers.

Thanks,

[stopintime]

Well sorry for the confusion, we (SpeedyMoto) measured our 3.5 inch rise from the top of the (average) top triple clamp to bar center, or 4.5 inches from bottom of top triple clamp to bar center or 5 inches compared to a clip-on with no rise..  Our Tall Boy' s have been designed specifically for the Monsters and Sport Classics to give you maximum adjustment.  Our "outboard fork" design allows this with no interference with the gauges and headlight bracket.  There is no need for new brake lines and the small coffin style master cylinders will fit.  The coffin masters can inhibit some of the adjustment range the Tall Boys are capable of  but adjustment is still reasonable and you don't need to run spacers.

Thanks,

Thanks to you too

What is the total height of your Tall Boys? It seems like the fork clamps and bar pinch clamps are similar to Swatts and it would answer the question brought up here and in other topics, conserning the difference between yours and Swatt's.

For the 696, S2R800 and possibly other bikes (?) with the larger brake master reservoirs - a spacer is still required, right?



BTW - here's my SpeedyMoto top triple with the 2.5" Swatts (now changed to 3.5"). Very nice piece of aluminum. Sold my SpeedyMoto risers for $200.

[ungeheuer]

Well sorry for the confusion, we (SpeedyMoto) measured our 3.5 inch rise from the top of the (average) top triple clamp to bar center, or 4.5 inches from bottom of top triple clamp to bar center or 5 inches compared to a clip-on with no rise..  Our Tall Boy' s have been designed specifically for the Monsters and Sport Classics to give you maximum adjustment.  Our "outboard fork" design allows this with no interference with the gauges and headlight bracket.  There is no need for new brake lines and the small coffin style master cylinders will fit.  The coffin masters can inhibit some of the adjustment range the Tall Boys are capable of  but adjustment is still reasonable and you don't need to run spacers.

Thanks for that, really appreciate the response  .... excellent.   

Are you able to offer some clarification to stopintime's question: "For the 696, S2R800 and possibly other bikes (?) with the larger brake master reservoirs - a spacer is still required, right?"

And....  do you have plans to produce a top-triple to fit the M696 anytime soon? (say "yes" and you have an order  )


Thanks again too to stopintime for taking the trouble to share the benefit of your understanding - I think I'm clear that I'll be going the Speedymoto bars, but will hold off until a top-triple clamp is available for M696 so I can do the whole job in one go.

[ungeheuer]

Well, I received so much helpful info from the guys at Speedymoto that I went ahead and ordered their 3.5" riser bars and a cool new top-triple.....  I'll keep y'all posted on the progress whe I receive my new goodies from 'em.

[jftoha]

independently of the riding position, I have not tried either, the Swatt location in relation to the triple (in front) looks much better. It seems to me to be the traditional sport position of clipons, more cafe racer. the side location (Speedymoto) looks a bit more like the position you find in touring bikes. I ordered the Swats but have not receive them yet. I will port as soon as I install them. Hopefully tonight!!

[speedy]

SpeedyMoto has top triples for the monsters 696 right now, its the lower that we are working on currently.

[DucMouse the Mighty]

question , how will those work with an s2r1k?

i just got a cycle cat triple and now looking for some raised clip ons...im already short so the higher the better and narrower.....

im also assuming that u have to extend all the wiring and stuff...

thx
Mousey

[stopintime]

question , how will those work with an s2r1k?

i just got a cycle cat triple and now looking for some raised clip ons...im already short so the higher the better and narrower.....

im also assuming that u have to extend all the wiring and stuff...

thx
Mousey

If I'm not wrong, the Cycle Cat Triple has too much material in the frontal area for the Swatts to fit. Not sure, but being mounted on the outside the SpeedyMoto Tall Boys might fit.
SpeedyMoto has told us that there is no need for new wires or hoses. At the most you will have to reroute some of them.

With the SpeedyMoto you'll be close to stock height, but still lower. They are about an inch taller than the 3.5" Swatts. My 3.5" Swatts put the grips two inches lower than with stock bars (mostly because of the downward angle of the bars on clip on systems). The reach will be shorter on both systems, depending on how much sweep angle you choose. On my bike it's about an inch closer.

If all you want is functionality, the Rizoma bars will bring the height up by two inches, about an inch closer to you and provide a sweep angle which IMO is much more comfortable for the wrists. (that is if you are not set on using the Cycle Cat Triple)

[ungeheuer]

The Cyclecat top-triple truly is a thing of beauty though.....  Still waiting for my Speedymoto top-triple and riser bars....   I think the Speedy guys are waiting on a shipment from the bauxite mine