2.5" & 3.5" clip-on risers, Speedymoto or Swatts?

[stopintime]

I'm proud of you  Well done!

I'm still not the biggest 696/1100 fan, but your bike is making my resistance weaker, little by little

[mattyvas]

Looking neat, I better pick my game up!

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ungeheuer - bike looks great.

I am looking at the photos and it looks like the Swatt clamps hang over the top of the forks (just by the adjusters).  Is this the case, and if so does this mean you are not able to slide them dows an inch if you wanted to for a race?

Adam
Portland, Oregon

[stopintime]

ungeheuer - bike looks great.

I am looking at the photos and it looks like the Swatt clamps hang over the top of the forks (just by the adjusters).  Is this the case, and if so does this mean you are not able to slide them dows an inch if you wanted to for a race?

Adam
Portland, Oregon

Good observation Adam

This is how it goes with the Swatts.

To mount coffin style master cylinders on Swatt clip ons, we need to swap the right/left riser part and mount them "backwards". (still need a pair of spacers from MonsterParts/Corsair Industries though)
The lower type Swatts can't be used for this application, but the 2.5" and the 3.5" can.
3.5" can, as you mention, be adjusted an inch down if so needed.

On bikes with remote reservoirs, like the M1100, I'm not sure the backwards/swap set up is required.
If it's not - a wide adjustment range would be possible.

I'm sure Ungeheuer will tell us if Swatts could be mounted as intended or if they still need to be backwards/swapped.

Sorry for stepping in like this, I mean well.

[ungeheuer]

OK - this answer is gonna be messy, so apologies in advance......  As mounted, you're correct my 2.5" Swatts are not able to be lowered as the bar mounting boss on the risers has the larger side (with the bar clamping bolts) inboard and therefor overhanging the top of the forks preventing lowering.  

Now here's where it gets confusing.....

....3.5" can, as you mention, be adjusted an inch down if so needed.

True.  But after you've lowered your 3.5" Swatts down 1" you're still above the forks in exactly that same way as if you had fitted 2.5" Swatts.  So, I guess 3.5" give you the option of running at 3.5" height or by dropping 1" at = to 2.5" height.  Whereas with 2.5" thats it.  But neither of these will allow you to lower beyond the top of the forks coz of the above mentioned contact by the bar mounting boss.....  unless.....

.....and more confusing still....

To mount coffin style master cylinders on Swatt clip ons, we need to swap the right/left riser part and mount them "backwards".....

Was true. Now not the case.  My Swatts are not mounted "backwards" whereas stopintime's (correct me if I'm wrong here) are mounted backwards, yet compare pictures of both our setups (help me here stopintime) and you'll see that they appear mounted in exactly the same manner!  Confused yet? It gets better....  Swatts used to be manufactured "backwards" when compared to my set up.  I reversed nothing, meaning that the larger bar boss overhangs the top of the forks. stopintime's Swatts were made the other way around with the larger part facing outboard - foreward of the bars - necessitating in flipping em around so as to be able to fit (with the aid of reservoir spacers) coffin-style reservoirs.  So you see backwards as described by stopintime is the new right-way-around!  

I aint done yet...lol...

On bikes with remote reservoirs, like the M1100, I'm not sure the backwards/swap set up is required.
If it's not - a wide adjustment range would be possible.

True. But see above regarding what constitutes "backwards".  If I had mounted my Swatts in a reversed fashion, then the bulkier side of the bar mounting boss would be outboard - ahead of the forks - and would therefore allow the bars to clear the forks if I wanted to lower em further.  And since with remote reservoirs there are no clearance issues..... it makes me wonder why I didnt infact do this.  What actually needs to happen is that I swap my new Swatts with stopintime's older Swatts and we'll both have countersunk riser bolts yet I will have more options for lowering....

Clear as mud, I know.  Sorry.  Short answer: If I turned my bars around then yes, I'd be able to lower em more.

[stopintime]

So, your risers are countersunk to mount like they are now? I know Bill Swatt said he was going to, but I imagined he would make them countersunk on both sides (to allow flip/swap).

Clear as mud for everyone else, I suppose, but at least you and I get it For once, I feel like a specialist

[ungeheuer]

So, your risers are countersunk to mount like they are now?

Yes.

........I imagined he would make them countersunk on both sides (to allow flip/swap).

Not so.  Mine are countersunk on one side only. The oposite side to yours.

Clear as mud for everyone else, I suppose, but at least you and I get it For once, I feel like a specialist

Yup, we're the Swatt Geeks 

[ungeheuer]

As expected, its possible to achieve a more radical sweep back with the 10 to 2 mounted Swatts than the 1/4 to 9 mounted Tallboys.  And dont forget that I had to back out the steering lock stops 2mm each side to prevent the tallboys from contacting the tank, whereas the Swatts are fitted with the steering stops left in stock position (although I have not yet had chance to be absolutely sure about tank clearance coz my tank skins are still at the paint shop). 

Just an update on the tank clearance.....  Once I refitted my tank skins I found that the 2.5" Swatts did just contact the sides of the tank, I could've resolved this by backing out the steering stops a little but instead fitted 3.5" Swatt risers which (although even uglier than the already soviet-chic 2.5" risers) .. raised the bars to a point where the switchgear just fitted into the lowest part of the tank recess vents thus requiring no loss of steering lock-to-lock whatsoever.

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ungeheuer:


Looking at the Swatt web site it shows all the clamps on their clip nos facing the opposite way to yours.  Will it work to mount them like this?  It would mean that the clamps no longer sat over the top of the forks and allow to lower them more?



Adamhttp://www.swattmotorcycle.com/Clip-Ons.html

[ungeheuer]

...Looking at the Swatt web site it shows all the clamps on their clip nos facing the opposite way to yours.  Will it work to mount them like this?  It would mean that the clamps no longer sat over the top of the forks and allow to lower them more?

I understand that Swatts used to be manufactured as they're pictured on their website, but they have since modified the design and reversed how the riser bolts to the clamps to resolve clearance issues when mounting with "coffin" type reservoirs.  stopintime has successfully flipped the risers around and bolted em on the opposite way, so seek out his thread on the subject and you'll see that what you want to do ought be possible too.

[stopintime]

Or I might as well answer here

My first production run riser parts were countersunk to mount like in the Swatt photos. I have the coffin master cylinders, so I had to flip the riser part. Because of the flip I had holes which weren't countersunk and I had to get longer bolts (30 instead of 25mm, I think).
Also, there's some play between the riser and it's bolts - I had to tighten the bolts quite hard for the bars not to move.
The play might cause the bars to move a little upon hard braking and after a while the bolts might become loose - it hasn't happened to me, but it's something to be aware of.

[dmak_el]

So, now the swatt 3.5" clip on is a direct bolt on for the 696 with "coffin" type reservoirs?? no spacer nothing is needed? am i correct?

[ungeheuer]

So, now the swatt 3.5" clip on is a direct bolt on for the 696 with "coffin" type reservoirs?? no spacer nothing is needed? am i correct?

Nah, I reckon that you'll still need a set of spacers to clear those coffins....  (I happen to have a set of cyclecat coffin spacers available, if anybody's in need)

[bigjilm]

This thread is so awesome for anyone aspiring to be a Swatt guy - thanks to everyone who's participated to this point.

Rather than be all take and no give, I'll chime in with my own Swatt tidbit.  I ordered a set of 3.5's, and set out this weekend to install them.  Imagine my surprise when I discovered that I had two left clip-ons!  That's not a euphemism for being a lousy mechanic, though I admit that I am.

Anyways, I put in the frustrated call to Swatt HQ and left a msg.  Then I went back and re-read this thread, and this whole "mounting backwards" made me take a closer look at my clip-on.  It was at that point, two scotches in, that I realized that the 50mm clamp could just be removed from the riser, flipped over et voila - it's a right side clip-on.

Thought I'd throw that in just in case someone else finds themselves in this situation...

[DesmoReynoso]

 

Great thread Ive been wanting to do this mod but was afraid of everything that was involved with making the switch and didnt really want to alter the bike's stop lock....

So I guess Swatts 3.5'' clipons it is! Any recomendations for a top triple that will fit with those without any problems?

Thanks again.