Rossi v Stoner and years past....

[COWBOY]

Interesting OpEd read on the 2010 rookie rule and the Satellite v. Factory ride debate.

http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/03/28/the_rookie_rule_a_paper_tiger.html

[ducpainter]

More like you made a statement.  Wasn't much of a question.

You're right though obviously the kid had no future.  He should have quit after 2006.  it's all been down hill since then.

Is it true that Stoner had no suspension technician/engineer the year he crashed the Honda mercilessly?

How is what I said a statement?

WTF are you talking about?

[The Don]

Interesting OpEd read on the 2010 rookie rule and the Satellite v. Factory ride debate.

http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/03/28/the_rookie_rule_a_paper_tiger.html

Thats a good read.

[gm2]

2006 was actually a strong RC211 year.  5 of the top 9 were on it (Hayden -1st, Melandri - 4th, Pedrosa - 5th, Roberts - 6th, Stoner - 8th, Elias - 9th).  As far as the differences go the only thing I can think that we could look to would be the top recorded speeds per round.  Out of the first 5 races there was a difference of between 1 and 2 km/h between Hayden/Pedrosa and the other Honda riders with the exception of Turkey at which Melandri and Stoner went 1,2 and posted a top speed .4 km/h faster than Hayden/Pedrosa.  It's a small difference but then again in each of those races a top speed differential of less than .4 km/h was generally the difference between winning and being out of the top 5. 

earlier you called it insane to compare them. 

above, you've compared them.  and said they are close-or-better, using your measurement of top speed.

you is one crazy mofo then.

[COWBOY]

earlier you called it insane to compare them. 

above, you've compared them.  and said they are close-or-better, using your measurement of top speed.

you is one crazy mofo then.

LMAO I'm a crazy mofo because you don't know what equal means?  Nice.

I said it was insane to equate them --  see part 1 below.  I didn't say it wasn't a good bike -- see part 2 below.  All I did was provide some data around a supposed serious question you asked supporting a position I'd already held.

The fact is the bikes are NOT the same nor are the parts availability, resources, funds and support between the Factory rides and the Satellites.


 

To try and equate his time on the Honda with those experienced by Rossi or even Hayden's step child existence is ridiculous.  Trying to argue their bikes were equivalent is even more insane.  Hell the Factory Hondas that year weren't even the same.  The core bike and parts available to the established satellite teams were likewise different let alone what was left over to offer the new one bike team.   

Move on there is no winning that argument. 

If the argument is over the term "crap" then we can agree.   The RC211 is far from a crap bike.  In fact I can't think of another bike that would be better to use as a starting point to build around.

[gm2]

i never said they were the same.  i said that, in the beginning of the season, they were relatively comparable.

[Grampa]

FACK dem boths.... I is more suited to battle both...I wins

[ducpainter]

LMAO I'm a crazy mofo because you don't know what equal means?  Nice.

I said it was insane to equate them --  see part 1 below.  I didn't say it wasn't a good bike -- see part 2 below.  All I did was provide some data around a supposed serious question you asked supporting a position I'd already held.

The fact is the bikes are NOT the same nor are the parts availability, resources, funds and support between the Factory rides and the Satellites.


 

No...

you're crazy because you don't understand punctuation.

[COWBOY]

No...

you're crazy because you don't understand punctuation.

There's only 2 ways to take your "question"

1.  You honestly believed a MotoGP team would not have a suspension specialist on their squad

or

2.  You were being facetious and taking a swipe at the kid.


Seeing as your intelligent enough to help found this place (thank you btw), I concluded you were taking a swipe at the kid which is why I compared his season to Lorenzo's in response to your question.  If you honestly think that Stoner ran his entire rookie season without a suspension tech on his team and would like an answer I will volunteer to search for the info that will confirm or deny that belief.

Why any of this got your panties in a bunch I'm not sure.  It could just be age and/or paranoia catching up to you.  Relax old man it'll be OK.

[ducpainter]

There's only 2 ways to take your "question"

1.  You honestly believed a MotoGP team would not have a suspension specialist on their squad

or

2.  You were being facetious and taking a swipe at the kid.


Seeing as your intelligent enough to help found this place (thank you btw), I concluded you were taking a swipe at the kid which is why I compared his season to Lorenzo's in response to your question.  If you honestly think that Stoner ran his entire rookie season without a suspension tech on his team and would like an answer I will volunteer to search for the info that will confirm or deny that belief.

Why any of this got your panties in a bunch I'm not sure.  It could just be age and/or paranoia catching up to you.  Relax old man it'll be OK.

Conclude what you want.

Come call me old man to my face...I beg you.

You sir have a problem.

We're done.

[COWBOY]

really?  flexing your internet muscles at a tongue in cheek remark?   LOL.

dude I meant no offense but there's nothing there to get that worked up over.  I'm no spring chicken myself.

go for a ride, grab a beer, something, you're wound a little tight right now.

[ducpainter]

really?  flexing your internet muscles at a tongue in cheek remark?   LOL.

dude I meant no offense but there's nothing there to get that worked up over.  I'm no spring chicken myself.

go for a ride, grab a beer, something, you're wound a little tight right now.

If you were being facetious you probably should have used a smiley.

I didn't.

Wonder why?

[COWBOY]

If you were being facetious you probably should have used a smiley.

I didn't.

Wonder why?

because your cranky.

[zooom]

so, meanwhile back at the ranch....Bobspapa is busy on his pocketbike racing Rossi and Stoner and afterwards having a contest of whom can say FAAACK the best!

[Grampa]

 [moto] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


fack